Reincarnation

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your thoughts on reincarnation? Many people believe that Christianity used to teach reincarnation. Many people also believe that the Bible still talks of reincarnation and we just interpret it wrong.

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth remains forever. The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again...What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:4-9)


"For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come." (Matthew 11:13-14)

"And the disciples asked him, saying, 'Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?' But he answered them and said, 'Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand.' Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

Even well known stories in the Bible could be interpreted to show proof of reincarnation.

"And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, 'Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?" Jesus answered, 'Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1)


Knowing that the man was blind from birth, how could his sins or his parents sins cause his blindness unless he lived previously
 

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Watched a story about a young boy who believes he is/was a Navy pilot from WWII, it's pretty crazy the things he does and knows.
http://thedailyheadline.com/young-boy-describes-past-life-wwii-veteran-shocking-detail/

If reincarnation is real, I would think it's used to improve on the previous life. You missed something or failed at something and get a second chance. Who knows, it could be done several different ways. It could be reward, or it could be punishment.
 
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That video was crazy as hell. Reincarnation always seemed like the "best" of the things that would happen if you passed, so I'd be down with it, but don't really have anything I strongly believe in.
 
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Wow, been reading up on that. Seems much at odds that Christians would believe in reincarnation. The whole point is the Resurrection of Christ.
 

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I think that wwII deal I a fascinating. It'd be nice if people could appreciate others' experiences and not mock them bec as use its different.
 

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I consider myself a christian, but am open to all sorts of different things. Some, like -LEK- say that's against the belief system, and that's okay. I just feel that the bible leaves a lot to interpretation, after all it's the words of men that have been translated many times over.
Reincarnation, angels and demons among us, purgatory, souls stuck in transition (ghosts), I'm open to all that, and find it all pretty fascinating.
 

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The Bible has been altered over the years the Bible we read now is nothing like it was when it was first put on paper.

It's much easier to control people if you tell them that we only get one shot at this life thing and if you **** it up you're gonna burn for eternity. When in reality an all loving god would never do that. Also, to be able to enter heaven (or whatever you want to call it) you must be perfect. Roughly 77 years on this earth isn't going to make you perfect. It takes going through many different lives at different levels of society to learn how to treat people when you are rich or poor sick or healthy.

Have any of you read about the Russian boy that remembered his past life on Mars? He gave some pretty detailed visions of our solar system that no little kid would ever know. Here's a link to that story
 

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The Bible has been altered over the years the Bible we read now is nothing like it was when it was first put on paper.

It's much easier to control people if you tell them that we only get one shot at this life thing and if you **** it up you're gonna burn for eternity. When in reality an all loving god would never do that. Also, to be able to enter heaven (or whatever you want to call it) you must be perfect. Roughly 77 years on this earth isn't going to make you perfect. It takes going through many different lives at different levels of society to learn how to treat people when you are rich or poor sick or healthy.

Have any of you read about the Russian boy that remembered his past life on Mars? He gave some pretty detailed visions of our solar system that no little kid would ever know.

Well said, TB. You don't have to look very far to prove your point. The early days of Catholicism were all about controlling the population, and religion was used more as law and order rather than faith based community.

I haven't read about the Russian boy, I'll have to check that out. Of course a lot of his stuff would be pretty hard to prove or debunk.
 

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The Bible has been altered over the years the Bible we read now is nothing like it was when it was first put on paper.

It's much easier to control people if you tell them that we only get one shot at this life thing and if you **** it up you're gonna burn for eternity. When in reality an all loving god would never do that. Also, to be able to enter heaven (or whatever you want to call it) you must be perfect. Roughly 77 years on this earth isn't going to make you perfect. It takes going through many different lives at different levels of society to learn how to treat people when you are rich or poor sick or healthy.

Have any of you read about the Russian boy that remembered his past life on Mars? He gave some pretty detailed visions of our solar system that no little kid would ever know. Here's a link to that story
True, but modern scholarship has taken translation from the Latin Vulgate and other translations. It cut out a lot stuff.
 

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Also, to be able to enter heaven (or whatever you want to call it) you must be perfect. .

With all due respect, this is not what Christianity teaches.

Placing your complete trust in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection is God's one and only means of reaching Heaven.


The Bible clearly tells us how to be saved:

Romans 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
 

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With all due respect, this is not what Christianity teaches.

Placing your complete trust in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection is God's one and only means of reaching Heaven.


The Bible clearly tells us how to be saved:

Romans 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
That's awesome. So I can basically be the worst person to ever walk the earth but I believe in Christ so I'm going to heaven. Logic like that is why people call ******** on Christianity
 

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You're saying God's in on it? Oh damn, thought this was the conspiracy thread. Continue...
Maybe it should be in the religion thread or the "made up fairy tale" thread I guess you could mold those two into one though
 

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I consider myself a christian, but am open to all sorts of different things. Some, like -LEK- say that's against the belief system, and that's okay. I just feel that the bible leaves a lot to interpretation, after all it's the words of men that have been translated many times over.
Reincarnation, angels and demons among us, purgatory, souls stuck in transition (ghosts), I'm open to all that, and find it all pretty fascinating.


A sacred book like the Bible can't be "open to interpretation". It has to be set in stone.
 

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The Bible has been altered over the years the Bible we read now is nothing like it was when it was first put on paper.

And of course you KNOW this because you were there................Got it!!!
I'll sleep a whole lot better tonight!
:flush::eek:kay:
 

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A sacred book like the Bible can't be "open to interpretation". It has to be set in stone.

I guess that would be why every christian church around the world have bible study groups, because everyone needs to study something that leaves no room for interpretation, right?
 

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I am a Christian as well, and I think it would be awesome if reincarnation was how it all works. I'm all for it. Raises a lot of logistics questions, though.

For example, are our memories wiped? If so, how do we explain pilot kid and NASA boy? I haven't read the stories, so are other people claiming they're reincarnated?

If our memories AREN'T wiped...why aren't there more stories like those two? Wouldn't it make sense that a good percentage of our population has already been reincarnated and therefore the popularity of the reincarnation belief was higher?

Serious thought, not being an ***.
 
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I am a Christian as well, and I think it would be awesome if reincarnation was how it all works. I'm all for it. Raises a lot of logistics questions, though.

For example, are our memories wiped? If so, how do we explain pilot kid and NASA boy? I haven't read the stories, so are other people claiming they're reincarnated?

If our memories AREN'T wiped...why aren't there more stories like those two? Wouldn't it make sense that a good percentage of our population has already been reincarnated and therefore the popularity of the reincarnation belief was higher?

Serious thought, not being an ***.

What IF those that have vague memories of a past life are anomalies of the reincarnation system. Memories are supposed to be wiped, but there are very few how don't get that complete clean slate and are left with either full memories or just enough to mess them up.

Could Deja-vu (not the strip club) be part of reincarnation? Not the normal kind like a conversation with a friend, but the type where you are somewhere you know you have never been, but have a feeling/memory of the place?
 

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That's awesome. So I can basically be the worst person to ever walk the earth but I believe in Christ so I'm going to heaven. Logic like that is why people call ******** on Christianity

It is awesome: its based on the concept of forgiveness.

You are correct: you can be a "bad" person (we're all born with sin, so technically we're all "bad") and still go to Heaven.

Its a free gift, why not chose it?
 

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It is awesome: its based on the concept of forgiveness.

You are correct: you can be a "bad" person (we're all born with sin, so technically we're all "bad") and still go to Heaven.

Its a free gift, why not chose it?
because I didn't chose what I believe. I took all the evidence that has been presented throughout my life and made the assumption that reincarnation is what happens when we die. That doesn't mean I think everything Christianity teaches is false. It just means I think they cut out the most important part.
 

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That's awesome. So I can basically be the worst person to ever walk the earth but I believe in Christ so I'm going to heaven. Logic like that is why people call ******** on Christianity
I would question whether someone really believed in Christ if they continue to be the worst person on earth after confessing belief.

As to reincarnation, I've never given it much thought. How would we ever know if we are an original vs a recycled/re-incarnated being? Could we ever know?
 

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I would question whether someone really believed in Christ if they continue to be the worst person on earth after confessing belief.

As to reincarnation, I've never given it much thought. How would we ever know if we are an original vs a recycled/re-incarnated being? Could we ever know?
When you're dead and deciding the next path you will take on earth to learn from.
 

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I would question whether someone really believed in Christ if they continue to be the worst person on earth after confessing belief.

As to reincarnation, I've never given it much thought. How would we ever know if we are an original vs a recycled/re-incarnated being? Could we ever know?

Check out the link at the top of the thread. That might answer your question.
 

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I guess that would be why every christian church around the world have bible study groups, because everyone needs to study something that leaves no room for interpretation, right?

Why should religion be open to interpretation? Seems like all the Bible bashers know right from wrong and judge everyone else based on that.
 
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Why should religion be open to interpretation? Seems like all the Bible bashers know right from wrong and judge everyone else based on that.

That is where faith comes in my friend. I may not agree with how someone interprets the Bible, but that's their view, not mine. Lots of the Bible in my opinion is filler anyway, and that's the stuff that groups have bible studies for, and scholars research. At it's base it's a big set of stories, no? Believe in God, believe Jesus died for your sins, and accept Jesus as your lord and savior.
 

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That is where faith comes in my friend. I may not agree with how someone interprets the Bible, but that's their view, not mine. Lots of the Bible in my opinion is filler anyway, and that's the stuff that groups have bible studies for, and scholars research. At it's base it's a big set of stories, no? Believe in God, believe Jesus died for your sins, and accept Jesus as your lord and savior.

Will there be hors d'oeuvres?
 

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OP, have you ever read Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ? Journalist was a committed, dyed in the wool atheist who set out to prove Christianity was not supported by evidence. He ended up converting to Christianity by the end. You say you've been persuaded by the evidence of reincarnation. Give the Strobel book a chance. And the book of Romans in the Bible.
 
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