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For those that believe in reincarnation, do our lives now influence how/when/where/what we are when we are reincarnated? When you die, are you immediately reincarnated or is there a lag time?

Just trying to understand how this stuff works.
 

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OP, have you ever read Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ? Journalist was a committed, dyed in the wool atheist who set out to prove Christianity was not supported by evidence. He ended up converting to Christianity by the end. You say you've been persuaded by the evidence of reincarnation. Give the Strobel book a chance. And the book of Romans in the Bible.
I believe in God just not a Christian. I doubt anything in that book can change that
 

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For those that believe in reincarnation, do our lives now influence how/when/where/what we are when we are reincarnated? When you die, are you immediately reincarnated or is there a lag time?

Just trying to understand how this stuff works.


Neuroplasticity. In 10 years this is going to be big time.

Through neuroplasticity it's possible to tap into past lives, in theory.
 
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For those that believe in reincarnation, do our lives now influence how/when/where/what we are when we are reincarnated? When you die, are you immediately reincarnated or is there a lag time?

Just trying to understand how this stuff works.
In my humble opinion, our ultimate goal is to become perfect so we are worthy to be with god, whatever that may be. I think once we die we choose the basics of our next
Life so we can learn and live through things to ultimately make us complete and perfect.
 
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so it could explain how a few have grown to 7 billion. reincarnated life spawns new life which then comes back reincarnated but also can spawn new life as well? but where did the first one come from? are we special or can we come back as animals? so we may have come from monkeys then, evolved into modern primates but can that mean we can come back as a monkey again? if not, like i said, where did human number 1 come from?

if you say God? but we reincarnate ourselves, then wouldn't heaven be an empty and lonely place since we are always coming back down here?
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do animals come back as well? like that movie about the dog coming out soon reincarnated with new owners until it meets up with its childhood now turned old man owner real? i'm not watching that **** with my wife. she is going to melt down and cry through the whole damn movie.
 
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do animals come back as well? like that movie about the dog coming out soon reincarnated with new owners until it meets up with its childhood now turned old man owner real? i'm not watching that **** with my wife. she is going to melt down and cry through the whole damn movie.

Yep. My goldfish came back as a potato.

Seriously, the phenomenon of Neuroplasticity is a new area of neurological science that will be able to access parts of the brain that can lead to awareness of past life.

It's a brand new area of science in the last few years and no one hardly knows about it.

What every person is basically gesturing in this thread is the science of neuroplasticity.
 

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That's awesome. So I can basically be the worst person to ever walk the earth but I believe in Christ so I'm going to heaven. Logic like that is why people call ******** on Christianity
The word "believe" is more than a cognitive affirmation. What we believe is evident in what we do and how we live. I can say I believe the best way to take care of the needs of my family is to have a decent job and go to work every day but if I choose, in stead, to sit on my rear end and draw a check that is in fact what I believe to be best for my family. Belief in Christ also involves adhering to His teachings. Christianity is very logical.
 

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For those that believe in reincarnation, do our lives now influence how/when/where/what we are when we are reincarnated? When you die, are you immediately reincarnated or is there a lag time?

Just trying to understand how this stuff works.

Damned if I know. Cant remember any of that ****. I do believe I was hanged in one of my previous lives though, as I absolutely can't stand anything around my neck or on my wrists. Also, while watching a show about the Revolutionary War on the History Channel (back when they actually covered history topics), they were showing a town in New England where the British came through, and the damn room started spinning (no, I was sober) and my heart felt like it was in my throat for a few seconds. One of the weirdest feelings I've ever had and it felt like I had been there before.
 
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Yep. My goldfish came back as a potato.

Seriously, the phenomenon of Neuroplasticity is a new area of neurological science that will be able to access parts of the brain that can lead to awareness of past life.

It's a brand new area of science in the last few years and no one hardly knows about it.

What every person is basically gesturing in this thread is the science of neuroplasticity.
Now I'm wondering if there is some sort of conservation of thought. Like all conscious thought moves to being stored in another brain when someone dies.

Just think, all the thoughts and memories of the cat paw are out there in the vast world. Stored away bit at a time in the brains of other creatures and other people.

I know my dog often has a look like he wants to tell me something. He's probably storing thoughts of someone who once lived, but he can't manifest those thoughts because he can't talk.
 
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Now I'm wondering if there is some sort of conservation of thought. Like all conscious thought moves to being stored in another brain when someone dies.

Just think, all the thoughts and memories of the cat paw are out there in the vast world. Stored away bit at a time in the brains of other creatures and other people.

I know my dog often has a look like he wants to tell me something. He's probably storing thoughts of someone who once lived, but he can't manifest those thoughts because he can't talk.

your dog is licking is own dick and thinking you wish you could do this don'tcha.
 

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Now I'm wondering if there is some sort of conservation of thought. Like all conscious thought moves to being stored in another brain when someone dies.

Just think, all the thoughts and memories of the cat paw are out there in the vast world. Stored away bit at a time in the brains of other creatures and other people.

I know my dog often has a look like he wants to tell me something. He's probably storing thoughts of someone who once lived, but he can't manifest those thoughts because he can't talk.

Nothing ever said in the Paddock has even gotten stored in anyone else's brain.

The only thing any dog wants to tell you is that they are hungry.
 
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I've been interested in this topic since my mother got a copy The Search for Bridey Murphy back in the early 60s. Since then I read probably a dozen books on the subject including some by researchers who have used regressive hypnosis on adults to extract information from previous lives and then compare to known facts for validation. Also some researchers work with small children age 2-3 or so in a normal state who seem to recall past live events and details. There are literally thousands of documented cases of recalling specific details and facts about events and places in a previous life that the person would have no knowledge of. There is also a decent body of work that has been done on conscienceless existing outside the body in the so called "near death" experiences.

Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that consciousnesses or the soul survives outside the body and that in fact in many (if not all) instances is reincarnated into a new life. In a nutshell what has come from research and is also taught in some religions that accept recrimination like Buddhism, is that the soul is on a journey, and that in each life we learn lessons, and improve towards some ultimate state of perfection (of which little is known).

As far as the connection to Christianity it's my understanding that the early scriptures had references to reincarnation in addition to those cited by the OP but that Constantin had them removed during one of the ecumenical councils. None the less my own opinion of biblical references to being "born again" refers to reincarnation - although most practitioners of the faith will disagree.

The majority of people worldwide believe in reincarnation.
 
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I've been interested in this topic since my mother got a copy The Search for Bridey Murphy back in the early 60s. Since then I read probably a dozen books on the subject including some by researchers who have used regressive hypnosis on adults to extract information from previous lives and then compare to known facts for validation. Also some researchers work with small children age 2-3 or so in a normal state who seem to recall past live events and details. There are literally thousands of documented cases of recalling specific details and facts about events and places in a previous life that the person would have no knowledge of. There is also a decent body of work that has been done on conscienceless existing outside the body in the so called "near death" experiences.

Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that consciousnesses or the soul survives outside the body and that in fact in many (if not all) instances is reincarnated into a new life. In a nutshell what has come from research and is also taught in some religions that accept recrimination like Buddhism, is that the soul is on a journey, and that in each life we learn lessons, and improve towards some ultimate state of perfection (of which little is known).

As far as the connection to Christianity it's my understanding that the early scriptures had references to reincarnation in addition to those cited by the OP but that Constantin had them removed during one of the ecumenical councils. None the less my own opinion of biblical references to being "born again" refers to reincarnation - although most practitioners of the faith will disagree.

The majority of people worldwide believe in reincarnation.
Man, I don't know if reincarnation is real, but I do know that almost every thing you said is not backed by fact or a standard consensus of agreement.

Out of 20 + studies I looked at, one one said 51% believed in reincarnation. It was a site advocating reincarnation. A Pew Study said 25%, which is considered more rigerous.

And no, Constantine didn't have books removed from the Council of Nicaea, nor will you find any rigerous historical scholarship to back that up.

Christianity directly rejects reincarnation no matter what hippy spin you out on it. Nor does any rigerous scholarship back it up. Mainly, it came from some bull crap author in the 70s, MacGregor.

Also, as I said, I'm not bashing your belief in reincarnation but your poor attempt to interject it with something other than faith abd a few hippy drug ideas not backed by facts or scholarship.

As far as OBE or NDE, nothing conclusive has ever come out pointing to exact stuff, with a majority being wrong. In fact, the number of scholarly articles and books outweigh any presumed evidence you think exists.

It's cool you have opinions and have faith, but creating loose facts and askewing scientific data isn't the way to prove it.
 

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I've been interested in this topic since my mother got a copy The Search for Bridey Murphy back in the early 60s. Since then I read probably a dozen books on the subject including some by researchers who have used regressive hypnosis on adults to extract information from previous lives and then compare to known facts for validation. Also some researchers work with small children age 2-3 or so in a normal state who seem to recall past live events and details. There are literally thousands of documented cases of recalling specific details and facts about events and places in a previous life that the person would have no knowledge of. There is also a decent body of work that has been done on conscienceless existing outside the body in the so called "near death" experiences.

Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that consciousnesses or the soul survives outside the body and that in fact in many (if not all) instances is reincarnated into a new life. In a nutshell what has come from research and is also taught in some religions that accept recrimination like Buddhism, is that the soul is on a journey, and that in each life we learn lessons, and improve towards some ultimate state of perfection (of which little is known).

As far as the connection to Christianity it's my understanding that the early scriptures had references to reincarnation in addition to those cited by the OP but that Constantin had them removed during one of the ecumenical councils. None the less my own opinion of biblical references to being "born again" refers to reincarnation - although most practitioners of the faith will disagree.

The majority of people worldwide believe in reincarnation.
While I agree with everything you said, since I posted it all first with a lot less words, I will say the majority of people DO NOT believe in reincarnation. I believe in it. A few people I talk to about it say they could see something like that being true but they don't really believe it.

Basically it's hard for a lot of people to let go of a religion that has been beaten into their skull since birth.

Hell I get bitched at every day by my parents for not taking my kids to church. I told them I won't ever make them go to church but if they want to go I'll go with them every Sunday. I remember asking them questions in church that they couldn't answer with anything but "that's what the Bible says" or "that's what Jesus wants of us" that always pushed me away
 

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While I agree with everything you said, since I posted it all first with a lot less words, I will say the majority of people DO NOT believe in reincarnation. I believe in it. A few people I talk to about it say they could see something like that being true but they don't really believe it.

Basically it's hard for a lot of people to let go of a religion that has been beaten into their skull since birth.

Hell I get bitched at every day by my parents for not taking my kids to church. I told them I won't ever make them go to church but if they want to go I'll go with them every Sunday. I remember asking them questions in church that they couldn't answer with anything but "that's what the Bible says" or "that's what Jesus wants of us" that always pushed me away
The thing is, no one knows the answers, or maybe they do. I dont know. I do think its odd. Look at the dali lama. Its crazy stuff. Reincarnation makes the most sense from the science we know, however, we know very little in the grand cosmic scope.

I find that while I dont believe in reincarnation, I sometimes use those words and ideas to describe a connection to this world. Its only because I am limited by the language I use. It seems somewhat impossible to describe the infinite with finite words.
 

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OP, have you ever read Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ? Journalist was a committed, dyed in the wool atheist who set out to prove Christianity was not supported by evidence. He ended up converting to Christianity by the end. You say you've been persuaded by the evidence of reincarnation. Give the Strobel book a chance. And the book of Romans in the Bible.

Lee Strobel is an intellectually dishonest apologist. New Testament scholar Robert M. Price thoroughly debunked his hogwash in his own book discussed in the link below.

The Case Against The Case For Christ discussion

Here's Price's book:
The Case Against the Case for Christ: A New Testament Scholar Refutes the Reverend Lee Strobel
 

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Damned if I know. Cant remember any of that ****. I do believe I was hanged in one of my previous lives though, as I absolutely can't stand anything around my neck or on my wrists. Also, while watching a show about the Revolutionary War on the History Channel (back when they actually covered history topics), they were showing a town in New England where the British came through, and the damn room started spinning (no, I was sober) and my heart felt like it was in my throat for a few seconds. One of the weirdest feelings I've ever had and it felt like I had been there before.

Maybe it wasn't a hanging but the weight of shackles and chains being lifted.
You once was a slave freed by the English and that's why you don't like anything around your neck and wrists.
 

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Maybe it wasn't a hanging but the weight of shackles and chains being lifted.
You once was a slave freed by the English and that's why you don't like anything around your neck and wrists.

I was thinking probably a horse thief or cattle rustler, but hey, you could be right.
 

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Science will tell you that energy doesn't dissipate, it transfers. Our brain's neurons are electrical currents... when we die, where does the energy go?
The energy isn't lost. The heat energy gets dissipated to the air - for a few minutes, you're a lump of matter warmer than the surrounding air (or cooler, if you're in the desert. Your body temperature will rise there.) The body is decomposed into the minerals you're comprised of. Atomic energy will always be there, whether you're alive or dead.
 
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I have always wondered this myself. I grew up Pentecostal and alot of the things we asked was just because the bible says so but no one could really tell us why. Anyway over the past few years I have started thinking that maybe reincarnation is true.
 

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This type of **** is fascinating and keeps me up at night thinking about it.
 

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I'm nervous your advantages will be disadvantages in the next life . Stupid , ugly , broke with a tiny pecker doesn't sound promising .
 
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I'd like to be reincarnated as a pair of Ariana Grande's panties.
You're old enough to know how cruel life is
 
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