Repost of a serious question for a serious Lefty

[atlkvb]

@countryroads89 posted yesterday (6.10.17) that Trump voters were a "special kind of stupid"

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....comey-in-new-tweet.144986/page-5#post-1569425
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....comey-in-new-tweet.144986/page-5#post-1569425

So...I posted this serious question for @countryroads89 to consider as both an offer and a challenge:

Serious question here for you countryroads89.

Now you say here that Trump supporters are a "special kind of stupid". But he won correct? (Russians aside)

Now I'd also suppose you sincerely believe the Hillary voters were smarter but yet she lost correct? (Russians aside)

So my question to you is, would you be willing to trade your intelligence in over the Trump voters' stupidity for a Hillary victory?

Or would you prefer just remaining obviously more intelligent and smarter than the dumb Trump voters, yet still a miserable loser?

Take some time and think about it, because there is no wrong answer for you

So far no answer from @countryroads89 to either the question or accepting the challenge, but one can always hope.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Serious question here for you countryroads89.

Now you say here that Trump supporters are a "special kind of stupid". But he won correct?.

No.

America lost.

 

[Brushy Bill]

No.

America lost.

No, you lost, now buck the fk up and deal with it.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

No, you lost, now buck the fk up and deal with it.

You typify my comment. Thanks!

Trumpsters aren't intelligent enough to realize America lost. Trump is out to protect the 1%. The AHCA that passed the House and is now dead at the Senate was simply a huge tax break for the super wealthy.

 

[Brushy Bill]

You typify my comment. Thanks!

Trumpsters aren't intelligent enough to realize America lost. Trump is out to protect the 1%. The AHCA that passed the House and is now dead at the Senate was simply a huge tax break for the super wealthy.

You typify the reason it's time for a two state solution here in the US.

 

[MountaineerWV]

No.

America lost.

Don't worry, ATL struggles with understanding simple things like dates of events. Before it was Hammurabi pre-dating Moses......and now he says Christians organized abolition movements BEFORE the Quakers in the 1770's....even though I showed him the earliest American abolitionist movement took place in 1688 in PA by the Quakers.......he also said Christians had abolition movements in Latin America before that, but there is no record of anything like that.........and, in fact, it was a Catholic monk who suggested Spain stop using Native Americans as slaves because of its inhumanity on them........but instead use Africans..........(ATL, should I use "Christian" when talking about Catholics?? You got in an uproar because I omitting it when discussing Quakers)

 

[dave]

No.

America lost.

No. You lost. You are used to it.

 

[atlkvb]

Don't worry, ATL struggles with understanding simple things like dates of events. Before it was Hammurabi pre-dating Moses......and now he says Christians organized abolition movements BEFORE the Quakers in the 1770's....even though I showed him the earliest American abolitionist movement took place in 1688 in PA by the Quakers.......he also said Christians had abolition movements in Latin America before that, but there is no record of anything like that.........and, in fact, it was a Catholic monk who suggested Spain stop using Native Americans as slaves because of its inhumanity on them........but instead use Africans..........(ATL, should I use "Christian" when talking about Catholics?? You got in an uproar because I omitting it when discussing Quakers)

Of course we all know just as you apparently also do MountaineerWV that Catholics are NOT Christian correct?

So since you're giving me advice on reading a calendar, I'll just go ahead on and suggest you do more investigating on just who Christians are because in my opinion missing both Quakers and Catholics as Christians tells me you have LOTS of studying up to do my friend.[winking]

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

No.

America lost.

America had an 8 year losing streak, but we are winning again now....thank you Jesus-ah

 

[atlkvb]

now he says Christians organized abolition movements BEFORE the Quakers in the 1770's

I did not say that and you know it. I said Quakers weren't the only ones calling for abolition of slavery, and they weren't the first. I never refuted your claim that Quakers indeed organized the first mass movements against it, and I've stated that repeatedly throughout our debate.

However I stand by my assertion that they were not alone, and they were not the first Christians to call out its immorality.

Are Spanish Catholics Christian MountaineerWV? How about Anglicans? How about Calvinists or Dutch reformists who settled in the original Colonies?

What were they all atheists?

 

[atlkvb]

You typify my comment. Thanks!

Trumpsters aren't intelligent enough to realize America lost. Trump is out to protect the 1%. The AHCA that passed the House and is now dead at the Senate was simply a huge tax break for the super wealthy.

So the "smart" Hillary voters knowingly cast their intelligent ballots for a loser right countryroads89?

They really won because of course their vote was for the "real" winner in the race, but they were all too smart to realize she was going to lose so they voted for her anyway right?

But they really won because at least they voted for the right candidate...the "smart" choice correct?

So if they were so smart countryroads89, tell me why they allowed those sneaky *** Russians to cancel out their informed "smart" votes using so many "special kind of stupid" Trump voters?

I thought they and Hillary were so much smarter than all those "special kind of stupid" Trump voters being led around by a bunch of Russian infiltrators?

 

[MountaineerWV]

I did not say that and you know it. I said Quakers weren't the only ones calling for abolition of slavery, and they weren't the first. I never refuted your claim that Quakers indeed organized the first mass movements against it, and I've stated that repeatedly throughout our debate.

However I stand by me assertion that were not alone, and they were not the first Christians to call out its immorality.

Are Spanish Catholics Christian MountaineerWV? How about Anglicans? How about Calvinists or Dutch reformists who settled in the original Colonies?

What were they all atheists?

No, you said this.........."Now to answer your question, here is one article I found talking about those who opposed the slave trade in the Colonies BEFORE the Quakers formally organized the Philadelphia meeting."

The articles you found were dated 1776 or later........and you claimed that was "before" the 1688 Germantown Quaker declaration........

 

[MountaineerWV]

Of course we all know just as you apparently also do MountaineerWV that Catholics are NOT Christian correct?

So since you're giving me advice on reading a calendar, I'll just go ahead on and suggest you do more investigating on just who Christians are because in my opinion missing both Quakers and Catholics as Christians tells me you have LOTS of studying up to do my friend.[winking]

Missing??? Missing on Quakers and Catholics? First off, I didn't "miss" anything. You don't know how to read a calendar. As for the Catholic remark I made, that was tongue in cheek, or a little jab towards your inability to accept you were wrong.....

 

[atlkvb]

No, you said this.........."Now to answer your question, here is one article I found talking about those who opposed the slave trade in the Colonies BEFORE the Quakers formally organized the Philadelphia meeting."

The articles you found were dated 1776 or later........and you claimed that was "before" the 1688 Germantown Quaker declaration........

I used those articles to show you there were other Christians calling out slavery. Others that pre-dated the Quaker organization in 1688 also demonstrated to you there Christians speaking out against it.

Read more, stop looking for things that only support your side of this dispute. The first Christians to come to America were not Slave owners and they were not Quakers. Those folks never adopted the practice and always spoke out against it, along with others who weren't Quakers.

 

[MountaineerWV]

So the "smart" Hillary voters knowingly cast their intelligent ballots for a loser right countryroads89?

They really won because of course their vote was for the "real" winner in the race, but they were all too smart to realize she was going to lose so they voted for her anyway right?

But they really won because at least they voted for the right candidate...the "smart" choice correct?

So if they were so smart countryroads89, tell me why they allowed those sneaky *** Russians to cancel out their informed "smart" votes using so many "special kind of stupid" Trump voters?

I thought they and Hillary were so much smarter than all those "special kind of stupid" Trump voters being led around by a bunch of Russian infiltrators?

And these were comments made by "smart" Trump voters......

"You're trash! I voted for Trump! You lost!"

"We got some Hillary b-- on here?"

"Trump! That's what I'm talking about. Hey, baby! Donald Trump! He's your president, every g-- one of [you]. If you don't like it, too bad."

Those were made at Starbucks, and other places........

Myself, I voted Joe Biden on a write-in ballot........

 

[atlkvb]

Missing??? Missing on Quakers and Catholics? First off, I didn't "miss" anything. You don't know how to read a calendar. As for the Catholic remark I made, that was tongue in cheek, or a little jab towards your inability to accept you were wrong.....

Why don't you go find a good fiction novel and read it. Give yourself a break from facts.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I used those articles to show you there were other Christians calling out slavery. Others that pre-dated the Quaker organization in 1688 also demonstrated to you there Christians speaking out against it.

Read more, stop looking for things that only support your side of this dispute. The first Christians to come to America were not Slave owners and they were not Quakers. Those folks never adopted the practice and always spoke out against it, along with others who weren't Quakers.

Where? Where is the factual pre-dated events you speak of? You can't say that because "they didn't practice slavery" that they organized an anti-slavery movement. Man, that's just plain ignorant to say that. If a person doesn't own a gun, does that mean they don't support the 2nd Amendment? Or could that mean that they just don't have the money to buy a gun?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Why don't you go find a good fiction novel and read it. Give yourself a break from facts.

Why do I have to do that? Just have to read your posts about history.....[thumbsup] Full of fiction in them......

 

[atlkvb]

And these were comments made by "smart" Trump voters......

"You're trash! I voted for Trump! You lost!"

"We got some Hillary b-- on here?"

"Trump! That's what I'm talking about. Hey, baby! Donald Trump! He's your president, every g-- one of [you]. If you don't like it, too bad."

Those were made at Starbucks, and other places........

Myself, I voted Joe Biden on a write-in ballot........

MountaineerWV would you like me to post the man-on-the-street interviews of the Hillary supporters after that election last Fall?

You'll either laugh your *** off, or get concerned these folks actually cast ballots as so called "intelligent" voters.

Just let me know, I'll be happy to post them for you...it's actually pretty sad if it's not funny or very disconcerting.

 

[MountaineerWV]

MountaineerWV would you like me to post the man-on-the-street interviews of the Hillary supporters after that election last Fall?

You'll either laugh your *** off, or get concerned these folks actually cast ballots as so called "intelligent" voters.

Just let me know, I'll be happy to post them for you...it's actually pretty sad if it's not funny or very disconcerting.

I'm not a Hillary voter, so knock yourself out. I voted Joe Biden.........

 

[atlkvb]

Where? Where is the factual pre-dated events you speak of? You can't say that because "they didn't practice slavery" that they organized an anti-slavery movement. Man, that's just plain ignorant to say that. If a person doesn't own a gun, does that mean they don't support the 2nd Amendment? Or could that mean that they just don't have the money to buy a gun?

How many times do I have to tell you MountaineerWV that I'm not disputing the first Quaker organizational movements against Slavery in the 1600's?

Where do you see me disputing that?

My issue with you is:

1) The Quakers were not the only Christians calling for an end to slavery.

2) They also were not the first Christians to do so.

If it satisfies your libido to have me admit you are correct about Quakers being the first major organized movement against Slavery, I'll go ahead and cheerfully admit that because as I've told you it is correct. Why dispute facts?

However, as I've also stated, Quakers were preceded in recognizing slavery's immorality by other Christian groups who while not as organized as the Quakers, certainly still saw it as immoral and expressed their Biblical opposition to it.

Why you refuse to recognize or admit to that part of my argument tells me you are like many on the Left. Accusing others of what you in fact do!

You refuse to admit when you are wrong. Just as you have refused to even recognize who exactly Christians are, when they came to America, or how they were the primary force behind slavery's eventual deconstruction.

Early on in this debate when I suggested just that simple fact, without naming any one specific group, you offered your 'Quaker' explanation to counter my initial statement to countryroads89.

I asked you in another post did you offer that explanation in support of or opposition to my statement that "Christians were the driving force behind abolishing slavery in this country"?

You still have not posted your answer.

When you responded with "Quakers were first" why even offer that response unless it was to oppose my initial claim? Again, if you were supporting my initial simple declarative statement about the role of Christians in abolishing slavery in this country, why are you still arguing with me over who in fact those Christians actually were? I never specified any one group, I said "Christians" then you countered that with "Quakers were first".

Why?

Was I right or wrong about that....leave out the Quakers?

Just answer that question. Was I right or wrong?

You can answer that in 3 words....

Yes atl...you were correct. (but it was the Christian Quakers who in fact organized against it first) That would not only be gracious on your part, but also 100% correct!


But know what MontaineerWV...you won't type those 3 simple words (you were correct) onto your keyboard because you are the bronze statue replica of what you accuse me of.

Refusing to admit when you are wrong.

I am finished with this exchange with you. I have to go make some money because you aren't giving me any of yours are you?

Am I right, or am I also mistaken about that too MountaineerWV?

 

[atlkvb]

I'm not a Hillary voter, so knock yourself out. I voted Joe Biden.........

That was really smart...he wasn't even on the ballot!

 

[dave]

I'm not a Hillary voter, so knock yourself out. I voted Joe Biden.........

Leave it to you to vote for someone who didnt want the job.

 

[MountaineerWV]

How many times do I have to tell you MountaineerWV that I'm not disputing the first Quaker organizational movements against Slavery in the 1600's?

Where do you see me disputing that?

OK, where did you dispute that? Well in a previous reply you said the following:

Now to answer your question, here is one article I found talking about those who opposed the slave trade in the Colonies BEFORE the Quakers formally organized the Philadelphia meeting.

Notice where you said "BEFORE" the Quakers. So, there you go.


You continue to say that Christian groups opposed and organized against slavery before the Quakers. Yet you don't have actual proof other than "well Christians arrived in America and didn't have slaves". Then you supplied dates, which are AFTER the Quakers 1688 documented meeting.

It's obvious, you will NEVER admit wrong........