From cheering the resignation of Beohner to orchestrating an outage of McConnell now. How out of touch with reality can you get? Wow, just wow.
Republican Party is Broken
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Problem is they are two parties (at least) trying to act like one.
Bingo. But I they split up, they won't win anything so every move the party makes is made in order to increase their power which is counter-productive to what is best for the country.
Yup...plus the chaotic infighting opened the door for a mouthy reality star to step in and take charge.
That's it exactly. The people that are ecstatic that Boehner is leaving are just out of touch with reality. They think that somehow Boehner was preventing them from getting their way when in reality arithmetic is the problem. Unless the new Speaker of the House can change the laws of arithmetic their problem is going to be the same as before.
I actually thought the Tea Party was going to be THE 3rd party. When it first started, I was all for it because it was started based in Libertarian principles and fiscal conservatism. Then it got hijacked by the religious nuts and now I can barely tolerate them. I don't mind pushing the limits within reason on budgets etc. I don't believe in paying out what I pay out even though I write a ton of it off and pay less by percentage than most people. The waste in Government spending is atrocious but worse is the bureaucracy. I think we need to seriously consider some fiscal constraint to fix our debt issues. The Gov't is spending money it doesn't have and it's going to lead to our downfall if we don't get it under control. There are going to have to be compromises that take place, that includes higher taxes but it also includes cutting back on some of the social programs. I feel like cutting back on the military is fine in theory but in reality, all you are doing is cutting middle class jobs and manufacturing. It doesn't really help except for being able to save from cutting on the social programs.
How does the liberal group state that the Republican Party is Broken. Comparatively speaking, have you made an honest assessment of the Democrat Party? Remember they had the shoo in there for the second round, and she is sinking fast with all the weight she is dragging. She is being replaced by the Socialist who could predictably not carry a state in the General. Their most promising is a non-candidate.
Which Party is broken in reality? Do you think it may be just a bit early to make meaningful predictions about what the situation is going to be a year from now? Dems don't have enough winnable candidates at this time, and the Repubs have too damned many? Let's give time to work itself out. Bill is trying his damnedest to put a new face on Hillary. Obama is going to get his *** kicked - AGAIN - by Putin. We still have the strongest country, and our leadership is allowing us to falter. I think the vast majority is tired of the direction our great country is going. Who will and can return us to our greatness? Does the voting public want to maintain the socialist direction. Sanders would be a great candidate. If the voting public wants to rebuild our country economically and militarily, there will have to be a party change. We don't have a winner yet. At the end of thenext 13 months, we will probably have a better chance to make a prediction.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think you'll find that social programs are a fairly small part of the budget. If you take defense, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid and interest on current debt you're already at 3/4 or so of the entire budget would be my guess.
Check out the pie chart 1/3 of the way down.
http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go
http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go
I correctly assumed that you did not have a response, huh. Or do you really believe the libs are single minded? If so, which one is the wi
Just as I suspected, you don't have an answer, huh? Try to post again. Enter one time and no results - hit it the second time and it was posting in triplicate Friday.
I correctly assumed that you did not have a response, huh. Or do you really believe the libs are single minded? If so, which one is the wi
Just as I suspected, you don't have an answer, huh? Try to post again. Enter one time and no results - hit it the second time and it was posting in triplicate Friday.
The Libertarians let go and the religious nuts took it over.
When it comes to McConnell however, he's an ******* that deserves to be booted.
I'm not a McConnell fan, but explain where you're coming from on him deserving to be booted.
I just don't like him. He worked hard to block WVU from the Big 12 and get Louisville in in our place. He then tore into Joe Manchin about it when WVU got in even though it was really Rockefeller who was the big help.
Try to respond to you and Dog at the same time as I had a ***** of a time getting into his and finally gave up.
I have been looking and cannot substantiate the religious takeover. TP is and has been made up of many local chapters with main purpose to reposition conservatives on Economic, Govt Size, taxes and a few more programs, but basic core was to refrain from Social Issues. Some chapters did focus on religion, but there were very few with that as central agenda. Glenn Beck and a few more were religion centered.
Nearly all Repubs subscribed to redefining conservative values after Obama was elected with main focus on Social issues. Repubs agreed at nearly 100% and 20% of Dems agreed with limited government and lower tax in attempt to stimulate economy
Of Course, the TP has been hit hard by liberals and the liberal press. They have redefined the position of TP so doggedly that some people are buying in due to repetition of the slander. It was believed the the organization was crushed after 2008 and 10, but they were there to restore Repub control to congress as Obama led libs were totally destroying the country with their policies.
Thanks. I didn't like the "secret recordings" made by one of his former staff members exposing just how low he was. I realize just about all, ok a lot of, politicians would do the same thing.
Answer to what? The dems aren't going through a massive identity crisis, Presidential campaign hasn't been bulldozed by outside candidates, and they didn't just see their leadership quit because they were tired of being ***** slapped by their own party.
Try to respond to you and Dog at the same time as I had a ***** of a time getting into his and finally gave up.
I have been looking and cannot substantiate the religious takeover. TP is and has been made up of many local chapters with main purpose to reposition conservatives on Economic, Govt Size, taxes and a few more programs, but basic core was to refrain from Social Issues. Some chapters did focus on religion, but there were very few with that as central agenda. Glenn Beck and a few more were religion centered.
Nearly all Repubs subscribed to redefining conservative values after Obama was elected with main focus on Social issues. Repubs agreed at nearly 100% and 20% of Dems agreed with limited government and lower tax in attempt to stimulate economy
Of Course, the TP has been hit hard by liberals and the liberal press. They have redefined the position of TP so doggedly that some people are buying in due to repetition of the slander. It was believed the the organization was crushed after 2008 and 10, but they were there to restore Repub control to congress as Obama led libs were totally destroying the country with their policies.
Ok, Hillary is still strong as last run. Sanders is everyone's darling in General. And Biden is running strong campaign.
I told you that you could not rely on FoxNews, Gee, that is a very strong statement from you and your party that you are not a supporter of.
I personally think Religious conservatives cligned to the "smaller government" side of the Tea Party movement, and then by shear numbers overwhelmed average Libertarians when it came to social issues.
The Cato Institute did an interesting study on in a few years back.
http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/PA705.pdf
My party? I'm independent and as I said before, I would love to see someone beat Hillary. And I haven't really sat and watched Fox News since the '12 elections.
And still the GOP is imploding, which is what this thread was all about.
Ok, Hillary is still strong as last run. Sanders is everyone's darling in General. And Biden is running strong campaign.
I told you that you could not rely on FoxNews, Gee, that is a very strong statement from you and your party that you are not a supporter of.
When was the last time you voted for an independent? You are an independent and left leaning who votes for Democrats? Why do you say GOP is imploding? One person decides it is time to move on and the whole damned party falls apart? Not very strong if one resignation causes it to implode. But, I understand whay youcould feel that way. When Nancy and Harry were in leadership, their word was absolute. If that is your perception of how our government works, I understand the feeling of implosion you have.
And the Libs are following suite.
I am not sure how big massive is. Which outside candidateS are you referring to? And exactly how do they become "outside"? Are you suggesting candidates must come from the political system? What are you saying?
The fact that libtards are so torn uo to see Mitch and Boehner go away speaks volumes.
I liked Boehner. I think he understood how to apply pressure without being an obstructionist. I think he kept getting overruled by the obstructionist side of the GOP in the House. He cooperated with them to keep his position as speaker, and I think we'll see where he truly stands when the dust settles at the end of October. He'll introduce some things that many Republicans in the House will support, but thing that he can't get through the House without some support from the Democrats as well.
This CR the Senate is voting on will go through 11 Dec. It won't surprise me a bit to see the Repubs shut down the government right before Christmas (with Beohner gone and maybe McConnell) and cause devastating impacts on our economy and screw themselves for the 2016 Pres election.
His job is to lead his party. He was the biggest problem in congress. He is 2 years late stepping down.
I hope the democrats accept the will of the american people and follow its elected leadership instead of shutting down the government again.
How do you lead people who don't want to be led? That's what I'm seeing from that side of the GOP. When you don't have the votes to override a veto, and you have someone from another party in the WH (and less than filibuster-proof majority in the Senate), you have to make some concessions. I'm not putting it all on that subset of the GOP, but the give no ground group has to realize that hostage tactics are not the way to run a government.
Honestly, I think Boehner worked with that group as long as he could. I think he sees this as a problem with the party, and he's tired of the infighting. I believe this is his last stand to try to help the GOP - get something passed to fund the government, get some common sense stuff done, then get out of dodge.
Sounds exactly like how reid and pelosi ran congress when Bush was president. Voters made a change and Boehner was more worried about himself than he was his mandate.
The fact that you think Libtards isn't offensive to Mentally Ill people just reinforces.
I still see it as hilarious that everyone says the Republicans fail to work with Democrats. Yet, the Dems never yield anything. It's all or nothing, their way. Shut down the government for all I care. Better than forcefeeding the liberal agenda to us piece by piece.
I too like John , but I believe what got him into trouble was the opposite of what you say, by his unwillingness to go along with the majority of his party on some issues. John simply caved when Obama threatened because he didn't want to be perceived as a weak leader who allowed the gov to be shut down.
Hell, you cannot make a unilateral decision for the party in opposition to the majority of the party and expect the majority to obey(like dems with Nancy and Harry). Those other members were elected to do some things and John was blocking them. There is too much control placed in the leader of each house. They do not have to go along with the majority desire of their own party.
I'd rather say I have a mental illness than say I am retarded! It sucks no matter what ya call it.
Mule_eer got it right. Without a big enough majority to override a veto, what does it get you to pass legislation that you know is going nowhere? For what, to prove an ideological point, like they did with their 8,672 votes to defund Obamacare? Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. And what, exactly, were those other members elected to do besides obstruct the president at every turn? They've never said.
Until the Tea Party came along, both parties treated a government shutdown as a failure. That changed a bit with Newt Gingrich -- and John Kasich and John Boehner, which is why I laugh at those who say Boehner isn't "conservative enough". Now it's the favored tactic of the Radical Right -- give us our way or we'll burn it down.