Response to Lane Kiffen thread

gamalielkid

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I have read many of the post on this thread. After reading them I have come up with two things about Lane Kiffen that everyone needs to ponder. 1. He is VERY similar to Bobby Petrino - he doesn't have the moral issues, at least known, that Bobby Petrino had. Now, ask yourself, if Bobby Petrino hadn't taken that famous motorcycle ride in Arkansas and had been available to UK - would Barnhart have hired Petrino? If no - then Barnhart definitely doesn't understand football. If yes, then why wouldn't you hire Kiffen?

Lane is a cocky, ego- maniac that wants to win. He has not had a losing record. He left Tennessee - well isn't that something we actually like about him - he put us in a position to actually beat them one time in the last 30 years! He has great football ties and should be able to hire a competent staff. He has recruited well - he left both programs with decent personnel when he left.

I don't think I would like him as person based on his past. But we need to realize, winning football programs are not headed by "good guys" most of the time. There is a reason for this - to win you must be intense and devoted to the job. You give "*** chewings" on national TV and then tell it like it is to the media. Winning makes people seem much better than they are! If Saban were losing at Alabama, how do you think they would respond to him - I can tell you how - he would be shown the door!

If we want a choir boy for a coach, then I'm afraid we are out of luck, as their are very, very few possiblities in that category. I think that is we don't want a cocky, arrogant coach - then we should go with Neal Brown. Neal is still unproven - but I like what I have seen from him and he seems upbeat and if from Kentucky. Give him a chance!

However, if you want to swing for the fences - Lane Kiffen just might be your guy. His perceived cockyness problem was he was surrounded by success and was probably brought up to believe he was the second coming. Well, he is now 41 and a lot of his immaturity has been beaten down. If we want to take a chance, but a chance that definitely could be a home run - then do it!

Either way, unless Stoops wins 6 this year - he is done here. As hard as it is to believe, if Stoops stays another 2 years and he doesn't win big next year - he will leave the program with the same talent level as when he found it - because recruiting will go down hill big time. You can only promise success and blame others so long before "the cry of wolf " is finally realized.

Bottomline, if it is not Stoops - then you pick one extreme or the other - both might work and both might fail - but one thing for sure is that we have to do something and do it sooner rather than later - unless we get to a bowl this year!

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Kiffin couldn't win at Tennessee or USC. Plus he oversaw NCAA violations.

Why would anyone want him as a HC?
 

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Kiffin couldn't win at Tennessee or USC. Plus he oversaw NCAA violations.

Why would anyone want him as a HC?

Uhhh he did win. At both of those schools. Never having a losing record his whole college career.

And he oversaw minor violations. Literally every single school reports these every single year. We don't do it enough honestly.

I've been pretty adamant about us going after Kiffin because I think he would be a fantastic fit and win here.
 
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gamalielkid

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Kiffin couldn't win at Tennessee or USC. Plus he oversaw NCAA violations.

Why would anyone want him as a HC?

You don't only watch the news on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC do you? He won at all the schools he has coached - see how biased people's views can skew your view as to the real record!

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I have read many of the post on this thread. After reading them I have come up with two things about Lane Kiffen that everyone needs to ponder. 1. He is VERY similar to Bobby Petrino - he doesn't have the moral issues, at least known, that Bobby Petrino had. Now, ask yourself, if Bobby Petrino hadn't taken that famous motorcycle ride in Arkansas and had been available to UK - would Barnhart have hired Petrino? If no - then Barnhart definitely doesn't understand football. If yes, then why wouldn't you hire Kiffen?

Lane is a cocky, ego- maniac that wants to win. He has not had a losing record. He left Tennessee - well isn't that something we actually like about him - he put us in a position to actually beat them one time in the last 30 years! He has great football ties and should be able to hire a competent staff. He has recruited well - he left both programs with decent personnel when he left.

I don't think I would like him as person based on his past. But we need to realize, winning football programs are not headed by "good guys" most of the time. There is a reason for this - to win you must be intense and devoted to the job. You give "*** chewings" on national TV and then tell it like it is to the media. Winning makes people seem much better than they are! If Saban were losing at Alabama, how do you think they would respond to him - I can tell you how - he would be shown the door!

If we want a choir boy for a coach, then I'm afraid we are out of luck, as their are very, very few possiblities in that category. I think that is we don't want a cocky, arrogant coach - then we should go with Neal Brown. Neal is still unproven - but I like what I have seen from him and he seems upbeat and if from Kentucky. Give him a chance!

However, if you want to swing for the fences - Lane Kiffen just might be your guy. His perceived cockyness problem was he was surrounded by success and was probably brought up to believe he was the second coming. Well, he is now 41 and a lot of his immaturity has been beaten down. If we want to take a chance, but a chance that definitely could be a home run - then do it!

Either way, unless Stoops wins 6 this year - he is done here. As hard as it is to believe, if Stoops stays another 2 years and he doesn't win big next year - he will leave the program with the same talent level as when he found it - because recruiting will go down hill big time. You can only promise success and blame others so long before "the cry of wolf " is finally realized.

Bottomline, if it is not Stoops - then you pick one extreme or the other - both might work and both might fail - but one thing for sure is that we have to do something and do it sooner rather than later - unless we get to a bowl this year!

Go Big Blue!

Rumor is he has some of the same moral issues Petrino has. My feelings is those aren't my concern, its between him and his wife not me, she is now his ex wife so she wasn't as accepting as Bobby's. He also, like Bobby, jumped ship the first chance he got when something come up he thought was better, much like Bobby. They appear to be very alike. Personally the first thing is none of my business with Kiffin or Petrino, that's between them and their spouse, apparently Bobby's is much more accepting than Kiffin's. I would be more concerned with him jumping ship as soon as a program he felt was a step up. I don't think loyalty is in his vocabulary.
 

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I don't care about rumors. If the rumors are true, and they are confirmed, then that's different. If I was the AD, I would hire Kiffin, but I would have a buyout if he left before his contract was up, or any extension he accepted, of at least 10 million. You say, "He wouldn't sign that, then he wouldn't be hired."
This is the last year he will get the 2 Million he has been getting while at Alabama from his previous stint as a head coach. He and Saban are disagreeing on a lot of coaching ideas. In Saban't weekly radio show, he was asked about his discussion with Kiffin at the end of the game. Saban replied, "I chewed his A$$ out." I know that didn't set good with Kiffin.
I went through USAF Pilot Training at Craig Air Force Base in Selma, Alabama, and I have a lot of friends who are Alabama and Auburn fans. They keep me up to date about all the BS down there.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 

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You don't only watch the news on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC do you? He won at all the schools he has coached - see how biased people's views can skew your view as to the real record!

Go Big Blue!

If you call barely squeaking out a .500 record as "winning", then i guess yea, he won games.
 
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Rumor is he has some of the same moral issues Petrino has. My feelings is those aren't my concern, its between him and his wife not me, she is now his ex wife so she wasn't as accepting as Bobby's. He also, like Bobby, jumped ship the first chance he got when something come up he thought was better, much like Bobby. They appear to be very alike. Personally the first thing is none of my business with Kiffin or Petrino, that's between them and their spouse, apparently Bobby's is much more accepting than Kiffin's. I would be more concerned with him jumping ship as soon as a program he felt was a step up. I don't think loyalty is in his vocabulary.

I can't understand for the life of me what the fascination is with Kiffin. Somebody please point out the 2 and 3 star players he's found and coached up to be high level players. You can't because he never has. He's been at nothing but high level schools with 5 star players that I could coach to wins. That's not to mention the allegations of NCAA violations at UT and at USC. Does anybody remember that during the 2012 season, Kiffin became the first coach since 1964 to take the pre-season #1 ranked team to unranked by the end of the season? (USC)

A guy who tanks a season with USC's talent? Does that really sound like a coach that can take the type of players he's going to get at UK and succeed? Kiffin at UK would be the biggest disaster since Custer at Little Big Horn.

Here's what most people think of Kiffin. http://www.cbssports.com/general/news/lane-kiffin-bama-genius-saban-aint-buying-it-and-neither-am-i/
 

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Uhhh he did win. At both of those schools. Never having a losing record his whole college career.

And he oversaw minor violations. Literally every single school reports these every single year. We don't do it enough honestly.

I've been pretty adamant about us going after Kiffin because I think he would be a fantastic fit and win here.

Billy Gillispie didn't have a losing record at UK either. Doesn't make him a great coach.
 
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The people that bash him fail to mention in his time at USC, they were hit with extremely hard sanctions from the Reggie bush situation. Loss of 30 scholarships in three years, any junior or senior on the team his first season coaching there could transfer and be eligible (several did), and a two year post season ban.
 

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Billy Gillispie didn't have a losing record at UK either. Doesn't make him a great coach.
Kiffin is a heck of a lot better then stoops. Lol keep bashing the man and not throw out there the hard sanctions he had to endure at USC from the Reggie bush scandal when Pete was coaching USC.
 
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The people that bash him fail to mention in his time at USC, they were hit with extremely hard sanctions from the Reggie bush situation. Loss of 30 scholarships in three years, any junior or senior on the team his first season coaching there could transfer and be eligible (several did), and a two year post season ban.

Yeh, they were hurt soo bad they were preseason #1 in 2012.

Explain why USC fired him mid season if all his problems were just because of sanctions.
 

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Kiffin is a heck of a lot better then stoops. Lol keep bashing the man and not throw out there the hard sanctions he had to endure at USC from the Reggie bush scandal when Pete was coaching USC.
2009 - Tennessee: 7-6 (4-4)
2010 - USC: 8-5 (5-4)
2011 - USC 10-2 (7-2)
2012 - USC: 7-6 (5-4)
2013 - USC: 3-2 (0-2)

He had one good season in 2011, the rest were barely over .500. Also keep in mind this was at 2 powerhouse football programs with unlimited resources and stacks of 5 star talent.
 

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Yeh, they were hurt soo bad they were preseason #1 in 2012.

Explain why USC fired him mid season if all his problems were just because of sanctions.
So losing 30 scholarships isn't a big deal? A two year post season ban isn't a big deal? That's tough on any coach
 

Woodrow24

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2009 - Tennessee: 7-6 (4-4)
2010 - USC: 8-5 (5-4)
2011 - USC 10-2 (7-2)
2012 - USC: 7-6 (5-4)
2013 - USC: 3-2 (0-2)

He had one good season in 2011, the rest were barely over .500. Also keep in mind this was at 2 powerhouse football programs with unlimited resources and stacks of 5 star talent.
If you think losing 30 scholarships isn't a big deal then I'm not sure what else to say to you.
 

Woodrow24

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Again, PRESEASON #1. And I notice you didn't answer why he got fired midseason.
He got fired because he went 3-2 you answered your own question with the records. By that time he had lost 30 a scholarships in three years. That and his record goes hand in hand in my opinion.
 

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Everyone perceives cockiness as a bad thing. I love it. We need a young, cocky, enthusiastic coach to turn this thing around. PJ Fleck, Lane Kiffin come on down!
 
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He got fired because he went 3-2 you answered your own question with the records. By that time he had lost 30 a scholarships in three years. That and his record goes hand in hand in my opinion.

Wrong, he got fired because his team was looking like a train wreck, he looked lost on the sidelines, his vaunted recruiting power wasn't getting them any recruits. The guy is a train wreck looking for a place to happen.
 

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2009 - Tennessee: 7-6 (4-4)
2010 - USC: 8-5 (5-4)
2011 - USC 10-2 (7-2)
2012 - USC: 7-6 (5-4)
2013 - USC: 3-2 (0-2)

He had one good season in 2011, the rest were barely over .500. Also keep in mind this was at 2 powerhouse football programs with unlimited resources and stacks of 5 star talent.

So his winning percentage was over 60%. Either way, I was just addressing your point of having a losing record - which he does not have. I understand you don't want him. What I am pointing out is that he might be a better choice because of age and experience now. Who knows? But apparently what we do know is that we don't want another head coach who hasn't had head coaching experience and who has actually won.

There are always some good names out their, but can UK get one of them? I think not unless we change AD's or hire, as I have suggested, a director of Football (CZAR) to oversee ALL aspects of the football program. We need someone with great experience in this area to guide UK. I have suggest Rich Brooks - because he is hte only person I know with UK ties with experience. But he may have no interest for whatever reason at this time. I know one thing for sure - Mitch Barnhart doesn't need to be involved deeply in football anymore!

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Wrong, he got fired because his team was looking like a train wreck, he looked lost on the sidelines, his vaunted recruiting power wasn't getting them any recruits. The guy is a train wreck looking for a place to happen.
so losing 30 scholarships didn't hurt recruiting? lol I disagree with you and I'm not changing my stance. He's a good coach and I think he could do good here. He's learning from one of the best of all time under Saban. It's not like this job is going to be an attractive job to people when and if stoops is fired. Kiffin isn't even in my top three choices but I wouldn't mind him being the coach here.
 

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So his winning percentage was over 60%. Either way, I was just addressing your point of having a losing record - which he does not have. I understand you don't want him. What I am pointing out is that he might be a better choice because of age and experience now. Who knows? But apparently what we do know is that we don't want another head coach who hasn't had head coaching experience and who has actually won.

There are always some good names out their, but can UK get one of them? I think not unless we change AD's or hire, as I have suggested, a director of Football (CZAR) to oversee ALL aspects of the football program. We need someone with great experience in this area to guide UK. I have suggest Rich Brooks - because he is hte only person I know with UK ties with experience. But he may have no interest for whatever reason at this time. I know one thing for sure - Mitch Barnhart doesn't need to be involved deeply in football anymore!

Go Big Blue!
Lane Kiffin is not my number one choice If we have to hire another coach any time soon. People have been throwing out names that I think would have no interest whatsoever in this job. The coaches I would want would have no interest in this job in my opinion.
 
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so losing 30 scholarships didn't hurt recruiting? lol I disagree with you and I'm not changing my stance. He's a good coach and I think he could do good here. He's learning from one of the best of all time under Saban. It's not like this job is going to be an attractive job to people when and if stoops is fired. Kiffin isn't even in my top three choices but I wouldn't mind him being the coach here.

UK needs a coach with a proven track record of winning with lesser talent against better talent. Someone who has shown that they can evaluate talent and coach them up. That's the reason I wanted Petrino so bad. Kiffin has never shown that. Butch Davis would be my first choice if/when Stoops leaves because he's proven he can do that.
 
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So his winning percentage was over 60%. Either way, I was just addressing your point of having a losing record - which he does not have. I understand you don't want him. What I am pointing out is that he might be a better choice because of age and experience now. Who knows? But apparently what we do know is that we don't want another head coach who hasn't had head coaching experience and who has actually won.

There are always some good names out their, but can UK get one of them? I think not unless we change AD's or hire, as I have suggested, a director of Football (CZAR) to oversee ALL aspects of the football program. We need someone with great experience in this area to guide UK. I have suggest Rich Brooks - because he is hte only person I know with UK ties with experience. But he may have no interest for whatever reason at this time. I know one thing for sure - Mitch Barnhart doesn't need to be involved deeply in football anymore!

Go Big Blue!
I never said he had a losing record. His record is just mediocre.
 

Woodrow24

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UK needs a coach with a proven track record of winning with lesser talent against better talent. Someone who has shown that they can evaluate talent and coach them up. That's the reason I wanted Petrino so bad. Kiffin has never shown that. Butch Davis would be my first choice if/when Stoops leaves because he's proven he can do that.
Butch is a good coach. He would be a good choice for sure
 

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I have read many of the post on this thread. After reading them I have come up with two things about Lane Kiffen that everyone needs to ponder. 1. He is VERY similar to Bobby Petrino - he doesn't have the moral issues, at least known, that Bobby Petrino had. Now, ask yourself, if Bobby Petrino hadn't taken that famous motorcycle ride in Arkansas and had been available to UK - would Barnhart have hired Petrino? If no - then Barnhart definitely doesn't understand football. If yes, then why wouldn't you hire Kiffen?

Lane is a cocky, ego- maniac that wants to win. He has not had a losing record. He left Tennessee - well isn't that something we actually like about him - he put us in a position to actually beat them one time in the last 30 years! He has great football ties and should be able to hire a competent staff. He has recruited well - he left both programs with decent personnel when he left.

I don't think I would like him as person based on his past. But we need to realize, winning football programs are not headed by "good guys" most of the time. There is a reason for this - to win you must be intense and devoted to the job. You give "*** chewings" on national TV and then tell it like it is to the media. Winning makes people seem much better than they are! If Saban were losing at Alabama, how do you think they would respond to him - I can tell you how - he would be shown the door!

If we want a choir boy for a coach, then I'm afraid we are out of luck, as their are very, very few possiblities in that category. I think that is we don't want a cocky, arrogant coach - then we should go with Neal Brown. Neal is still unproven - but I like what I have seen from him and he seems upbeat and if from Kentucky. Give him a chance!

However, if you want to swing for the fences - Lane Kiffen just might be your guy. His perceived cockyness problem was he was surrounded by success and was probably brought up to believe he was the second coming. Well, he is now 41 and a lot of his immaturity has been beaten down. If we want to take a chance, but a chance that definitely could be a home run - then do it!

Either way, unless Stoops wins 6 this year - he is done here. As hard as it is to believe, if Stoops stays another 2 years and he doesn't win big next year - he will leave the program with the same talent level as when he found it - because recruiting will go down hill big time. You can only promise success and blame others so long before "the cry of wolf " is finally realized.

Bottomline, if it is not Stoops - then you pick one extreme or the other - both might work and both might fail - but one thing for sure is that we have to do something and do it sooner rather than later - unless we get to a bowl this year!

Go Big Blue!

Kiffin failed at USC. He couldn't win there I'm not sure why the hell anyone would think he wins here. He did "ok" his first year at UT. He would have done better than Dooley b ut that isn't saying much.