The zebras missed a facemask on our fake punt that came up just short. KY dude turned Brown's helmet around. They showed the replay a thousand times and the broadcasters were so focused on the first down marker, even they didn't notice the blatant facemask.
Rewatching the KY game
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It's funny how the upstairs replay officials can buzz in and review a potential "targeting" penalty......
But literally almost ripping a guys head off or breaking their neck is apparently ok. Make it make sense.
But literally almost ripping a guys head off or breaking their neck is apparently ok. Make it make sense.
The whole targeting mindset should be reset. Targeting is like porn; you know it when you see it. Guys out there playing football are NOT thinking ‘target’ and ‘don’t target’, stuff happens waaaayyy too fast for that. It’s a natural instinct that is NOT going to be ‘coached out’ of football players. I got stickers on my helmet for what I’ve seen called ‘targeting’ now but they DO seem to be starting to apply it a little more realistically now thankfully.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, here's what I think:
I think "the rules" are made by old people who remember the days of "real" targeting, and yes, it was a real thing. However:
People under the age of 30yrs in todays world have never seen a "real" targeting, in any game. NFL or college. It simply doesn't exist anymore.
I also agree with you about them applying the rule better these days. (Again, for the sake of this discussion, REAL TARGETING does not exist anymore) - So.... what used to be "text book targeting" just a few years ago, now they still review it, but 85% of the time the ref comes back and says "There was no targeting" , and play resumes. So....it is getting better. Replay being able to buzz in and interrupt the game to review a potential targeting when no flag was thrown on the field is complete BS though.
"People under the age of 30yrs in todays world have never seen a "real" targeting, in any game. NFL or college. It simply doesn't exist anymore."
Just look up Jack Tatum on youtube - and remember NFL films had him the 6th hardest hitter.
Just look up Jack Tatum on youtube - and remember NFL films had him the 6th hardest hitter.
Look up some hits from Dick Butkus. He tried to remove the head from the body on every hit.
Anyone remember the old penalty for "spearing"?
If you can teach High Schoolers to NEVER lower your head on a tackle, you can teach College age players. It mystifies me that players still do this.
Yeah, leading with your helmet. I feel like the targeting penalty came from trying to deal with spearing more seriously.
This has been my exact gripe of targeting for a long time. They have been trying to legislate out natural body movements in many cases trying to make the game safer in a way that doesn’t work in many, arguably most cases. It happens sometimes because of how the ball carrier moves their body bracing for a hit and the defender gets a penalty.
Regarding the porn please provide samples so we can see if your analogy is correct
If the NCAA hadn’t already shown how inept it was prior to all this, the implementation of targeting erased all doubt. Remember the very first season that after the review if they deemed there was no targeting they still assed a 15 yard personal foul penalty. Someone (who undoubtedly is now in prison) got them to knock that nonsense off after that season.
But now, everytime a big hit happens flags come out. So they stop the game in many instances (most?) to make an announcement that boils down to this: We stopped the football game because someone was playing football.
It also mystifies me that so many college age players can’t tackle regularly.
It happens. There's a lot going on, especially when downfield plays spread the action out more.
Remove helmets altogether. It would solve everything pertaining to targeting and helmet-to-helmet within a week. Sound tackling would be restored immediately.
Well, it is true that in the Knute Rockne leather helmet days there was not much head to head contact. You'd get killed.
One of the things I love about rugby; those guys know how to tackle!
I agree with Coach Logan (of ECU and radio fame) on tackling. Either a player has got it or he doesn't. You can teach some things like keeping your head up, wrapping up, and so forth, and you can get better with practice, but tackling in general, the desire to tackle, the desire to "get there" and that "you shall not pass" attitude must already be in a player. It's hard and rare to train it, if it's not already present.
You gotta recruit for it.
That's right. The modern helmet has facilitated methods that are being legislated out of the game, and checking video to correctly regulate those things is killing the flow of the game. Lose the helmets. Besides, helmets are expensive.
Couple of things. Has the NCAA done a study to see if keeping the head up when tackling has increased neck injuries for the tackler? Most tackling drills in practice are almost always straight on. That's a very rare occurrence in a game. What happened to unnecessary roughness penalty? You seem to only see that if their is a fight. They have taken the game out of the officials hands on the field and moved it to the booth. While that's good for reviewing some plays, they need to let the officials handle the penalties on the field. After all penalties are a judgement call.
How about tackling by wrapping up with the arms instead of trying to knock players down ("hit") with your protective gear? I know that won't ever stop being the norm, but focusing on wrapping up rather than hitting when coaching/teaching it could help.
Removing face masks would solve the problem without increasing the concussion risk from a player's head hitting the ground or a knee or shoulder pad. Those open faced helmets of the '50s protected players heads but very few players ever led with their heads to tackle.
Agreed, but I doubt the players would go for that. I am seeing more players wear those protective helmet covers like you see them wear in practice.
And face shields.
There’s nothing about current American football equipment that needs to be addressed. As noted. rugby is available for those interested in a contact sport that exposes the face.