Rich Scangarello Out
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You can be a savant and call ****** plays.
That or the Curse of the Bear got him.
I think you push chips into Coen. He can attract a high profile QB to go with already stout WR's we have
1.5 million of free money.
Hartline can recruit. He's never called plays before though. He's the type who could own Ohio's best players that don't have a Buckeye offer.
He checks some good boxes, but isn't a slam dunk. Speculation is that he is well off from NFL money, loves Columbus, and isn't interested in climbing the ladder yet.
He is the scape goat. When you have 80% of your coordinator hires over the years not qualified for the job..there's other issues. It probably ain't them....
When you consistently lose games you shouldnt- and then blame the offensive coordinator at the end if the year- that's exactly what a scapegoat is.
You..nor i.. have no clue if scangarello isn't up for the job. I sW a failure from the entire staff that leads me to believe the head coach is the reason. When it's year 10 and we see the same issues as year 2...how can the first year coordinator be the blame?
No, this season was a failure. And scangarello is being blamed.
Yet some fans think Stoops should be a top 10 paid coach... and because he has more headaches? Lmao every coach in the country has those headaches. Don't think that means you should be paid championship type money for subpar results. But hey, is what it is.. the fans that won't speak out are why we will be stuck in mediocrity for another decade while other schools we "passed" pass us up after year two or three of a new hire... were going on year 11 and can't kick a fricken extra point.
but hey... hand out those raises.I think someone else pointed it out in another thread, but I thought it was a good point, but coaching resumes are hard to get a good grasp on because the trajectory of assistants is usually no more than 2-3 years in one place and they take another job because of promotion, head coach got fired, etc. A lot of guys fail upward and you think you're getting a really good coach with all this valuable experience but you're getting someone who keeps moving on before they get found out.
Could it be he's just following orders?
No CR to lean on next year, very important move to hold all the work MS has done together. Keeping our good offensive players, recruiting better offensive players and making our offense at least competitive was what had to be done. Should give us a much needed influx of excitement on that side of the ball at a crucial time and not take a step back what has been building for several years.
Doubtful; Stoops is a defensive minded HC.
Stoops may influence White on occasion but not Scang.
IMO, he spoke to freely to the press. Coen hinted at the things Scang went ahead and said.
I wish Stoops would have influenced Scang to shore up that OL. We ran our man-of-steel QB through a meat grinder this year.
GBB!
His recruiting connections alone would be good, play calling might be a issue but for somebody has been around football as long as he is I bet he would find a good rhythm play calling. He is probably a long shot anyways
As you probably recall from our debates, I thought we could do better than scang when he was hired. As I watched his offense in action, I was actually encouraged and thought he was as good as we could hope for until woody was ready.
I thought scang did a good job but he wasn't as charismatic as coen so fans didn't like him. I also think it made it tougher for him to connect with players.
My biggest concern is continuity. We just can't have a different oc every season and expect to progress. Do we turn it over to woody now and hope he's ready? Go back to the NFL after ruining the career of a perceived smart football guy? Or change gears and schemes altogether?
I hope it's woody or another rams guy. We just can't continue to change schemes every year if we want over the hump
I may be out of the loop, but aren't Stoops' raises a function of incentives (# of wins season by season) in his employment agreement?
Good grief.He is the scape goat. When you have 80% of your coordinator hires over the years not qualified for the job..there's other issues. It probably ain't them....
When you consistently lose games you shouldnt- and then blame the offensive coordinator at the end if the year- that's exactly what a scapegoat is.
You..nor i.. have no clue if scangarello isn't up for the job. I sW a failure from the entire staff that leads me to believe the head coach is the reason. When it's year 10 and we see the same issues as year 2...how can the first year coordinator be the blame?
No, this season was a failure. And scangarello is being blamed.
Yet some fans think Stoops should be a top 10 paid coach... and because he has more headaches? Lmao every coach in the country has those headaches. Don't think that means you should be paid championship type money for subpar results. But hey, is what it is.. the fans that won't speak out are why we will be stuck in mediocrity for another decade while other schools we "passed" pass us up after year two or three of a new hire... were going on year 11 and can't kick a fricken extra point.
Someone who can bring in an A grade QB
Stoops is the man for the job. Liam Coen is the man to lead the offense.He is the scape goat. When you have 80% of your coordinator hires over the years not qualified for the job..there's other issues. It probably ain't them....
When you consistently lose games you shouldnt- and then blame the offensive coordinator at the end if the year- that's exactly what a scapegoat is.
You..nor i.. have no clue if scangarello isn't up for the job. I sW a failure from the entire staff that leads me to believe the head coach is the reason. When it's year 10 and we see the same issues as year 2...how can the first year coordinator be the blame?
No, this season was a failure. And scangarello is being blamed.
Yet some fans think Stoops should be a top 10 paid coach... and because he has more headaches? Lmao every coach in the country has those headaches. Don't think that means you should be paid championship type money for subpar results. But hey, is what it is.. the fans that won't speak out are why we will be stuck in mediocrity for another decade while other schools we "passed" pass us up after year two or three of a new hire... were going on year 11 and can't kick a fricken extra point.
Because we’ve had issues with 4 OC’s now. Brown, Dawson, Gran and now Rich have all been fired or we had issues with. This is a problem that’s squarely on Stoops.
I’m tired of hearing about the pre Stoops days as an excuse for why we can’t have a functioning offense more than once every 3/4 years. Prior to Stoops, we never had the investment we do now. Rich Brooks retired because Mitch wouldn’t give him a tenth of what he’s given Stoops in terms of support for the program. It’s a lazy argument to accept horrible offenses under Stoops despite being in the top 20 highest paid coaches because we sucked with Joker.
Coen turned down other higher-profile OC jobs and only went back to the Rams because of loyalty to Sean McVay and his familiarity with the players/franchise. He loved being at Kentucky.
Offer him a big check to get him back to Lexington and I think he'd be locked in for a few years. He can land an elite QB through the portal, keep our stud WRs happy this offseason, and would be a seamless transition.
Offer him a big check to get him back to Lexington and I think he'd be locked in for a few years. He can land an elite QB through the portal, keep our stud WRs happy this offseason, and would be a seamless transition.
He needs to stay with college. Both for recruiting and coaching. Plenty of experienced guys out there.,
You can't count the ones who ALWAYS complain no matter what. They're never gonna quit whining
This post is as goofy as JB Holmes golf swing. The difference is he was successful with that swing. You aren't with this post.
Of the 4 on your list, Dawson is the only one who there were issues with prior to Rich (Maybe Gran at the end of his tenure but they weren't really issues). Brown's teams won 2 games and then 4 games but that was due to talent. His QB was Jaylin Whitlow for goodness sake. There were issues with Dawson. Gran was very successful here. He won a lot of games. That can be true while also being true that it was time for a change. Scan was behind the 8 ball a lot this year. Much of it was his fault but some wasn't such as Levis being hurt most of the year. We saw a different Levis at the end of the year when he was feeling a little better. It's hard to be successful when you lose a chunk of playbook due to injuries.
I did.. no one complained about a top 40 offense while we won a zillion games. C'mon dude.....
Presumably the difference between book smart and the application of that intelligence to create an offensive system.
Just because you’re tired of hearing about it doesn’t mean it isn’t important when talking about where we stand as a program. So he hasn’t been perfect with OCs, he’s at least trying to fix the issue instead of being content with going 7-5. Your post is the perfect example of why the pre Stoops days matter. 10 years ago we would be celebrating 7 wins and a bowl game. We are now firing coordinators because we won 7 games and didn’t live up to expectations.
We have a coach that’s proven more than once he can win double digit games in the SEC. We’ve had multiple chances the last few years to play in the SEC title game if a game goes our way that didn’t. If you are asking for more than this at this point, you’re just not being realistic.
Much like Jason Garrett. Smart guy, tons of knowledge, mediocre to bad OC and terrible HC.