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Bill Derington

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I know it varies per site, and depending on how many members are in a local, but my Union dues are $12 a paycheck, I get paid every 2 weeks.

Some places have a Union pension they can put money into, so they pay more.
 
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I have worked for both union and non union companies. As a salaried person my issue has always been this, I can't not give an outstanding employee a raise based on merit in a union shop. Union or non union you will always have employees that are good and some that are poor. In a union shop it is very difficult to get rid of poor performers, FMLA abusers, etc. And also if I have an employee doing outstanding work and going above and beyond I can't bump their pay unless the other 800 hourly get that bump as well. Eventually that causes demotivation of the good operators, with the why should I kill myself to get the same pay as Jimbo over there surfing his phone and sleeping.
 
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From the few people I know at ford you start out as a temp at $12.50 and at that time not apart of the union. If you do good as a temp they take you on as full time union eligible at 6 months $15 an hour.

As you grow obviously pay is more but starting out is exactly where you seem to think the wage is a joke to work for........and it's a union, OMG!!!!

Which is exactly why Repubs laugh at democratic union pumping ignorance. Dems are bottoming out your countries wages with illegals and that doesn't help unions either!

At least this year they went Trump!
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false. ford employees dont always start out as temps, but it is common now. temps start out at almost $16 per hour and from day 1 are part of the union. they also have seniority after 90 working days, and are often moved up to permanent employees within a few months. uaw dues are 2.5 hours of your pay rate per month.
 
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ohiocatfan826 said:
I have worked for both union and non union companies. As a salaried person my issue has always been this, I can't not give an outstanding employee a raise based on merit in a union shop. Union or non union you will always have employees that are good and some that are poor. In a union shop it is very difficult to get rid of poor performers, FMLA abusers, etc. And also if I have an employee doing outstanding work and going above and beyond I can't bump their pay unless the other 800 hourly get that bump as well. Eventually that causes demotivation of the good operators, with the why should I kill myself to get the same pay as Jimbo over there surfing his phone and sleeping.
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that is certainly the downside of being in a union. i am a model employee, yet for pay and bid jobs i might get passed over in favor of a guy that is not a model employee. but there are other areas of union membership that more than make up for that.
 
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false. ford employees dont always start out as temps, but it is common now. temps start out at almost $16 per hour and from day 1 are part of the union. they also have seniority after 90 working days, and are often moved up to permanent employees within a few months. uaw dues are 2.5 hours of your pay rate per month.
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Like I said I'm not an employee sounds like you would know better than me. As far as the details I could have misunderstood but much of what you are saying is inline except the starting pay which most people I know went through the process 6-7 years ago.
 
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bananapants said:
that is certainly the downside of being in a union. i am a model employee, yet for pay and bid jobs i might get passed over in favor of a guy that is not a model employee. but there are other areas of union membership that more than make up for that.
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From the hourly hour side or the salary side/company side? I honestly have seen no benefits to me on the salaried side, so I assume you mean to the hourly.

Again, there are good employees in both environments but the ability to accomplish the work from my perspective on the salaried side is much more difficult to accomplish in the union shop. Example: I have a poor performer slowing production of a specific item I need. Non union shop: I grab another employee and put him on that job as well. union shop: I have to post a job. Wait 3 days to see if someone applies. If not force the lowest seniority person over to that job. By the time it is approved by HR and Union, plus the 3 or 4 days to get the position filled, I am a minimum a week later on getting the labor where I need it.
 
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ohiocatfan826 said:
From the hourly hour side or the salary side/company side? I honestly have seen no benefits to me on the salaried side, so I assume you mean to the hourly.

Again, there are good employees in both environments but the ability to accomplish the work from my perspective on the salaried side is much more difficult to accomplish in the union shop. Example: I have a poor performer slowing production of a specific item I need. Non union shop: I grab another employee and put him on that job as well. union shop: I have to post a job. Wait 3 days to see if someone applies. If not force the lowest seniority person over to that job. By the time it is approved by HR and Union, plus the 3 or 4 days to get the position filled, I am a minimum a week later on getting the labor where I need it.
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yeah, i certainly understand that. i am pro union, but i will certainly admit that it doesnt work best in all environments. making managements job harder in exchange for workers having better pay and benefits as well as job security seems like a good deal to me though.
 
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Where do you think the money came from?
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I was just attempting humor. In answer to your question, the money for the first round of casinos came from institutional loans provided by the Teamsters and (less known) from a consortium of Mormon Banks.
 
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bananapants said:
yeah, i certainly understand that. i am pro union, but i will certainly admit that it doesnt work best in all environments. making managements job harder in exchange for workers having better pay and benefits as well as job security seems like a good deal to me though.
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And from your side of the fence I completely understand. Unfortunately though, the end customer is the only opinion that matters. Impacts to deliveries and schedules impact the possibility of future business. At the end of the day, I want the company to make money because I stay employed that way. I just wish there were better solutions to accommodate the business needs in a union environment.

To many have the "its me against the man" mentality when in reality, the man" pays our checks and he or they aren't in business to provide us jobs, but to make money.

Thanks for the cordial responses
 
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ohiocatfan826 said:
And from your side of the fence I completely understand. Unfortunately though, the end customer is the only opinion that matters. Impacts to deliveries and schedules impact the possibility of future business. At the end of the day, I want the company to make money because I stay employed that way. I just wish there were better solutions to accommodate the business needs in a union environment.

To many have the "its me against the man" mentality when in reality, the man" pays our checks and he or they aren't in business to provide us jobs, but to make money.

Thanks for the cordial responses
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again, i don't entirely disagree. unions are not for every work place. i am a UAW member, and even with all of their faults its a great union. when the auto industry went in the tank a decade ago, it was the unions that opened up the contracts and gave back raises and benefits to help keep those companies alive. a good union understands that without a company, there are no workers. i work for ford, my paychecks say ford. for me to get my fair share, ford has to be getting theirs also. thats certainly not lost on us.
 
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again, i don't entirely disagree. unions are not for every work place. i am a UAW member, and even with all of their faults its a great union. when the auto industry went in the tank a decade ago, it was the unions that opened up the contracts and gave back raises and benefits to help keep those companies alive. a good union understands that without a company, there are no workers. i work for ford, my paychecks say ford. for me to get my fair share, ford has to be getting theirs also. thats certainly not lost on us.
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Just curious. When RTW becomes law, will you choose to still pay dues or will you keep that money ($600-$800 guessing) for yourself? This assumes that you work for Ford in KY.
 
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Just curious. When RTW becomes shortly law, will you choose to still pay dues or will you keep that money ($600-$800 guessing) for yourself? This assumes that you work for Ford in KY.
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oh, i will gladly keep paying dues. the benefits that i receive from a union negotiated contract add up to FAR more than the $850 that my dues add up to annually.
 
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oh, i will gladly keep paying dues. the benefits that i receive from a union negotiated contract add up to FAR more than the $850 that my dues add up to annually.
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You would still get the same union negotiated contract package either way but thanks for the reply.
 
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You would still get the same union negotiated contract package either way but thanks for the reply.
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no, if people quit paying dues the union would become weaker. it would then lose bargaining power which would lead to lower wages.
 
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The anti-union conglomerate on here are ridiculous. Without unions or the threat of unions, you auto workers would be making $12/hr and liking it. It doesn't make sense in all work forces, but sometimes the only way to be treated like a human being is to unionize. You all act like business owners are this utopian group looking out for their workers.
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How much do Toyota workers in G-town make?
 
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And we saw evidence of that this year in PA, MI, WI, OH. The "blue wall" and the working man have been taken for granted by really both parties. Its a shame. I'd also say that 80/20 the normal union working man agrees with conservative views but are convinced by their union leaders that the GOP hates them. And certainly the GOP attitude has been...okay, you give all your donations to the Dems so the hell with you.

Hopefully both the GOP and the Union rank and file will realize that we largely share the SAME views and we can find more to agree on than to disagree on. Clearly the Dems use the Unions and then crap on them. Millions of low skilled workers coming here illegally is the best example of how both sides dont care...BUT we clearly see the change in that attitude from the GOP. Build that wall. Good for union jobs and wages.
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Correctamundo, here in the Louisville Area we have two unionized Ford plants, UPS, and lots of subsidiary industries to support the Ford Plants. ALOT and I mean ALOT of those workers are blue collar, Catholic, live in modest homes in places like Okolona, Fairdale, Fern Creek, etc. they hunt, they fish, they own guns, scrimp and save to send their kids to Catholic Schools. Are pro-life, the list goes on, however over the many many years they have been intimidated and bullied by their Unions to vote a liberal agenda. We actually saw this year what happens when those people get to actually vote their minds. The Unions didn't exactly throw their support out there for Hillary and didn't want to admit Trump might be the better option for them.
 
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I think people are simply starting to wake up trueblu.
Whether you're for against free trade agreements it's fairly obvious it's cost us a lot if manufacturing jobs, union and nonunion.
One candidate realized that, and wasn't beholden to anyone to keep the status quo.

No one asks union members who they vote for, or bullies them into voting for a candidate.
 
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bananapants said:
no, if people quit paying dues the union would become weaker. it would then lose bargaining power which would lead to lower wages.
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Good luck making him understand that. I'll spend 900 bucks a year to make 8000 more dollars a year. Simple math!
 
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Won't look for a job or pay more?

Also if unions are so much better for people then why are pro union people so concerned?
 
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The thing I'm seeing over & over on social media is union people saying something like "Enjoy making minimum wage..."

As if its one or the other. We either have unions or everybody makes minimum wage.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
 
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3rex said:
The thing I'm seeing over & over on social media is union people saying something like "Enjoy making minimum wage..."

As if its one or the other. We either have unions or everybody makes minimum wage.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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You can't deny that when thebunions die, it's a race to the bottom for wages.
 
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So in your opinion unions are the only thing holding wages up?

So the party(democrats) that are supposed to be for unions, but also for the cheapest possible illegal workers bottoming out wages have you believing unions are the only reason wages are up?

Maybe back in the day I'd give credit but the problem is wages are competing on a global scale where people are paid $2.50 and hour. That is to blame more than union busting RTW laws.

Also we are a lot more diverse today than when unions were in their prime so my guess is workers know and understand how to shop their value.......as long as we have jobs to shop for.
 
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Only read the first 2 pages but want to thank Bill Derrington for fighting the good fight and spreading the truth about unions. I just don't have it in me now to explain, to the seemingly willfully ignorant posters on here the value of unions in our country.
 
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Thanks for posting that your above explaining why unions are good.

That's about as union as it gets
 
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krazykats said:
So in your opinion unions are the only thing holding wages up?

So the party(democrats) that are supposed to be for unions, but also for the cheapest possible illegal workers bottoming out wages have you believing unions are the only reason wages are up?

Maybe back in the day I'd give credit but the problem is wages are competing on a global scale where people are paid $2.50 and hour. That is to blame more than union busting RTW laws.

Also we are a lot more diverse today than when unions were in their prime so my guess is workers know and understand how to shop their value.......as long as we have jobs to shop for.
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So why shouldn't a worker be able to maximize their value by standing together with their coworkers? You have more value when the company can't just look at you as expendable because the guy/gal next to you is working for the same goal and protrcting one another.
 
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