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false. maybe their is no need for a grocery bagger to be in a union. but he could have stocked shelves anywhere, he chose to be in a union.

Wrong, kids choose to work for Kroger. Kroger writes the paycheck not the freaking union. Kids are forced into the union if they want that summer job and get no benefit for their dues. That won't happen anymore in KY thanks to RTW. No more unions stealing from teens working summer jobs.
 

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He chose to work for Kroger knowing it was a union job. Why did he do that? Is it because union jobs pay more? Is it because union jobs offer better benefits? Is it because union jobs have safer work areas? Of all the shelves to stock, he chose to be a union worker at kroger.
 

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false. maybe their is no need for a grocery bagger to be in a union. but he could have stocked shelves anywhere, he chose to be in a union.
You are wrong. The last thing he would have chosen would be in a union. The kid was 16 and he had no idea what unions were. He just wanted to make a little money to buy gas for his car and pay his insurance. But no he had to pay union dues. Why would Kroger even offer a union to a part time boy with no benefits if it was not mandatory. Thankfully where I live Kroger is no where to be seen. Publix would kill them anyway. No need to argue with you.
 
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John Henry

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He chose to work for Kroger knowing it was a union job. Why did he do that? Is it because union jobs pay more? Is it because union jobs offer better benefits? Is it because union jobs have safer work areas? Of all the shelves to stock, he chose to be a union worker at kroger.
Oh so now you change your story. You admit it was required. My son wanted a part time job and Kroger was hiring. He quit as soon as he understood he was getting screwed by a union of no use to him and went to work for a pharmacy. Best move he made in his life because he never worked for a union again and that has been 30 years.
 

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You are wrong. The last thing he would have chosen would be in a union. The kid was 16 and he had no idea what unions were. He just wanted to make a little money to buy gas for his car and pay his insurance. But no he had to pay union dues. Why would Kroger even offer a union to a part time boy with no benefits if it was not mandatory. Thankfully where I live Kroger is no where to be seen. Publix would kill them anyway. No need to argue with you.

It wasn't the last thing he chose, it was the first thing he chose. Plenty of places for kids to make summer cash, he picked the wrong job. Don't blame that on kroger or the union. He made the wrong decision it sounds like.
 

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Sawnee you can now tell us how your son was paying 20 dollars a month in dues so we can realize how stupid your story is.
 

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I work in an open shop (you can join if you'd like to be a member of the union or not join if you don't want to be a member), fyi, over 95% of the employees choose to be a dues paying member. I can tell you as a union steward that I have to absolutely represent members and non-members alike.


I work in one of those union shops in Ind with 100% absolute certainty, the union does absolutely nothing for those not in the union. Nothing, all employee issues are handled between the company and employee. The only thing that is true, is the non-union and union employees receive the same pay and benefits package. This goes both ways as a nonunion employee can not receive a higher wage than the union employees regardless of merit.
 

John Henry

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Sawnee you can now tell us how your son was paying 20 dollars a month in dues so we can realize how stupid your story is.
I certainly will not argue with you the story is stupid. If fact Kroger's having a union is stupid. But it was a good lesson for the young man to learn at the age of 16.
 

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Sawnee you can now tell us how your son was paying 20 dollars a month in dues so we can realize how stupid your story is.

When I was 16 I'd take any $20 I could get...paying it to a union would've pissed me off enough to quit quickly as well.
 

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i am still a dumb here, just a question, we have 2 unions in the plant, one for the metal workers tool room, and one for the electrical, the IBEW. every 3 years when the contract negotiations take place, i am told that all the major unions have reps there negotiating the contract. UAW, IBEW, teamsters, etc, are all involved. does this sound correct?
Generally, only the representatives of the unions in that workplace are involved in collective bargaining agreements. I'm not sure why the Teamsters would be involved unless there is an agreement between your plant and the truckers moving product. It would help to understand what type of plant you work at. Also what union covers the metal workers.
 

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I certainly will not argue with you the story is stupid. If fact Kroger's having a union is stupid. But it was a good lesson for the young man to learn at the age of 16.

if you think kroger having a union is stupid, you've obviously never worked in a kroger warehouse.
 

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I was told I could not quit paying my union dues until our contract is up this year? Is that true?
 

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Likely have to wait until contract is up, at least that's the way it's been in other states with private sector unions. Are you going to give up the union negotiated wages and benefits also? Or are you just going to Leach off of the other dues paying members?
 
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Likely have to wait until contract is up, at least that's the way it's been in other states with private sector unions. Are you going to give up the union negotiated wages and benefits also? Or are you just going to Leach off of the other dues paying members?
Honestly I dont think enough people will sign the new contract. It will be close. Ill probably quit paying my dues and be a scab. My dues were a total of $1800 last year and I didnt get much for it in return. The non union plants make on average $2.00 more a hour than us. They also get 6% 401k match compared to our 3% and a 2% bonus on average.
 

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Tammefan a free loader? That is no surprise.

Worked at Kroger in high school. 1995. Paid union dues, wish I had an old stub to see what it was back then. I do remember this. The dues were so little that I never even thought about it.

As far as benefits go, Kroger took care of the part time employees. Guaranteed a 15 minute break for a 4 hour shift, a 30 minute lunch if you worked more than 5 hours. Work 8 and you received another lunch. They never once tried to jack around and make you miss a break because they were busy.

I had friends that worked at Winn Dixie and hated it (no Union). Also no more Winn Dixies.

I grew up in a union household. Father worked at Rohm & Haas. Mom was a nurse.
 

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Tammefan a free loader? That is no surprise.

Worked at Kroger in high school. 1995. Paid union dues, wish I had an old stub to see what it was back then. I do remember this. The dues were so little that I never even thought about it.

As far as benefits go, Kroger took care of the part time employees. Guaranteed a 15 minute break for a 4 hour shift, a 30 minute lunch if you worked more than 5 hours. Work 8 and you received another lunch. They never once tried to jack around and make you miss a break because they were busy.

I had friends that worked at Winn Dixie and hated it (no Union). Also no more Winn Dixies.

I grew up in a union household. Father worked at Rohm & Haas. Mom was a nurse.
Congrats to your families success.
 

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Tamme, I may be wrong, but don't the laborers union have one helluva pension plan?
I work at a manufacturing plant. Im not a skilled laborer. Some of the older workers have a pension that pays out $40 for every year you have worked. Im not a construction worker.
 

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I know in Michigan, the uaw members had to wait until the contract they were under expired until they had the option to withdraw from the union.
 
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Tammefan a free loader? That is no surprise.

Worked at Kroger in high school. 1995. Paid union dues, wish I had an old stub to see what it was back then. I do remember this. The dues were so little that I never even thought about it.

As far as benefits go, Kroger took care of the part time employees. Guaranteed a 15 minute break for a 4 hour shift, a 30 minute lunch if you worked more than 5 hours. Work 8 and you received another lunch. They never once tried to jack around and make you miss a break because they were busy.

I had friends that worked at Winn Dixie and hated it (no Union). Also no more Winn Dixies.

I grew up in a union household. Father worked at Rohm & Haas. Mom was a nurse.

I worked at Winn Dixie in high school (roughly 1991-94). Guaranteed 15 minute break for every 4 hour shift worked, 30 minute lunch if you worked 5 or more. 8 hours equaled two 15 minute breaks and a lunch. Paid 10 cents more per hour starting out as a bagger than the local Kroger (which is why I took the job over Kroger), but that was probably different depending on the particular store. The one I worked for was brand new. Granted, it's gone now.
 
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My son experienced the same thing at Kroger. Had to pay union dues with no benefits. Unions serve one purpsose and that is a political arm of the Dem party. Their job is to round up votes. I moved from a union shop state 30 years ago and will never live in one again. Kentucky will not regret becoming right to work.
Your son gets mandated raises at regular intervals because of the union. He can go work at walmart if he doesn't like getting a bump in pay every year.

More clueless input.
 
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RTW iis more than just unions. Years ago I was a Regional Mgr with a large corp that made you sign a non-compete contract when hired. I left them a number of years later to take a position running a rather large company in the same industry. A competitor. Was sued for a million bucks. Counter sued for three in that the former employer was deposing people I had worked for me to basically find out what I was doing..if I was trying to hire old employees (which I did), etc. Basically legal harassment.. Being that I was in a RTW state it never got to court. Old employer dropped it knowing they couldn't win. But only after they made sure I would drop my counter suit.

Be it union or white collar...RTW gives the employee the choice.
I think you are confusing RTW with At Will.
 
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Wrong, kids choose to work for Kroger. Kroger writes the paycheck not the freaking union. Kids are forced into the union if they want that summer job and get no benefit for their dues. That won't happen anymore in KY thanks to RTW. No more unions stealing from teens working summer jobs.
Yes. Because kroger is the only employer that hires teenagers in kentucky...

He chose to join the union. How you people can't understand this is beyond me.
 

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Yes. Because kroger is the only employer that hires teenagers in kentucky...

He chose to join the union. How you people can't understand this is beyond me.

The irony in this argument shows the brainpower of union members.
What about all these plants that aren't union, that employees want to unionize? They knew it was a non union plant, so they chose non union. According to your logic they shouldn't be able to unionize because it was non union when they got there.
 

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It wasn't the last thing he chose, it was the first thing he chose. Plenty of places for kids to make summer cash, he picked the wrong job. Don't blame that on kroger or the union. He made the wrong decision it sounds like.

LOL. You serious Clark?

He wanted the RIGHT TO WORK.
 
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The irony in this argument shows the brainpower of union members.
What about all these plants that aren't union, that employees want to unionize? They knew it was a non union plant, so they chose non union. According to your logic they shouldn't be able to unionize because it was non union when they got there.
For the love of... You don't marry your job. Things change in business all the time. If you don't like those changes, leave. If you want to try to eliminate the union then do it. Just don't go crying to the government to make them do it.

The real irony in the posts like yours is that most people that want unions gone also claim that they want smaller government and less governmental involvement... Until they run into a problem they "can't handle on their own." Then they run to the nanny state to save them.

And I'm not a union member. Just someone with half a brain cell.
 

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I think you are confusing RTW with At Will.
No. Because the state I lived in was RTW it all worked out for me. Knew a guy in the same company that left for a competitor thus violating his non-compete contract. He lived in a non-RTW state. He was sued as well and he wound up losing his house. Plus many of the filings, etc that my attorney filed during the case, referenced RTW. Many discussions in his office about RTW. Him telling me they couldn't win because we were a RTW state....yet you still worry. At least I did. Believe me, a time in my life I won't forget.
 

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Yes. Because kroger is the only employer that hires teenagers in kentucky...

He chose to join the union. How you people can't understand this is beyond me.

Wrong, he chose Kroger because it was the only job he could find that close enough to his house so he could walk there. He didn't even know it had a union when he applied. How are you so blind that you don't understand that your paycheck and your work orders come from the company? Thus you work for the company and not any union. Companies can exist without unions but unions can't exist without a company to leach off. Unions are just third parties that were given special treatment under the law. Fortunately, RTW reballances the scale somewhat. Private sector Unions are dinosaurs and are headed to extinction.

 
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Just so they could influence and intimidate you.
Just laughable....pure ignorance..

Believe it or not since you are obviously not a union member.... there are not any evil union thugs at the local office who stand there with bats and brass knuckles intimidating you to vote a certain way.... I guess you've seen that in the movies and believe it to be true.... That's not how it works in real life.