Right to work.....finally

[louisvillesux]

Wrong, he chose Kroger because it was the only job he could find that close enough to his house so he could walk there. He didn't even know it had a union when he applied. How are you so blind that you don't understand that your paycheck and your work orders come from the company? Thus you work for the company and not any union. Companies can exist without unions but unions can't exist without a company to leach off. Unions are just third parties that were given special treatment under the law. Fortunately, RTW reballances the scale somewhat. Private sector Unions are dinosaurs and are headed to extinction.

interesting, union membership decreasing goes hand in hand with stagnant wages.

 

[louisvillesux]

 

[UKRob 73]

Believe it or not since you are obviously not a union member.... there are not any evil union thugs at the local office who stand there with bats and brass knuckles intimidating you to vote a certain way.... I guess you've seen that in the movies and believe it to be true.... That's not how it works in real life.

So you still aren't going to answer my question? What possible reason did union's have in taking away your right to vote via secret ballot?

 

[mailman85_rivals376684]

What possible reason did union's have in taking away your right to vote via secret ballot?

Well for starters, the imbalance of influence that management has on the employee while they are on the clock and are a captive audience to managements coersion. If you can't see or don't agree that unions are good for our country we will just have to disagree.

 

[UKRob 73]

So what do union's gain by eliminating you voting via secret ballot?

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

Wrong, he chose Kroger because it was the only job he could find that close enough to his house so he could walk there. He didn't even know it had a union when he applied. How are you so blind that you don't understand that your paycheck and your work orders come from the company? Thus you work for the company and not any union. Companies can exist without unions but unions can't exist without a company to leach off. Unions are just third parties that were given special treatment under the law. Fortunately, RTW reballances the scale somewhat. Private sector Unions are dinosaurs and are headed to extinction.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

They're not going to respond to this. They are too ignorant.

 

[sluggercatfan]

The single reason that we don't have it is the democrat majority in the House that has existed for decades. That situation has finally been fixed. Kentucky needs to pass right to work or it will fall further behind. If big union states like Michigan and Wisconsin can pass it to better job opportunities, so can we.

No unions = a nation full of Walmart paid workers most on some kind of government assistance and welfare, but the family is worth 135 BILLION DOLLARS...THAT IS GREED...I have nothing against the wealthy , but this is ridiculous!!

 

[sluggercatfan]

"Forced-Unionism" is a hilarious propaganda term.

Don't want to work somewhere with a union? Then don't apply to work somewhere with a union. Really ****ing difficult concept to grasp, I know...

What is bogus about this is the folks that choose note to participate in paying dues still get to participate in the benefits the union negotiates for the paying members and MUST be represented by the union when they get in trouble for breaking company rules...that is a bunch of BS!!!

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

I'm young (relatively) and I have my health.

What do I want with a job?

 

[UKRob 73]

What is bogus about this is the folks that choose note to participate in paying dues still get to participate in the benefits the union negotiates for the paying members and MUST be represented by the union when they get in trouble for breaking company rules...that is a bunch of BS!!!

What's BS is that you repeat this nonsense. Union's DO NOT have to represent non paying members.

 

[sluggercatfan]

What's BS is that you repeat this nonsense. Union's DO NOT have to represent non paying members.

What's BS is you are in a conversation and don't have a clue...my son is a steward and representative where he works...retired in '12 after working 45 years for a company and we had one strike...the company is now in trouble financially, but it damn sure wasn't the unions fault...piss poor management

 

[louisvillesux]

What's BS is you are in a conversation and don't have a clue...my son is a steward and representative where he works...retired in '12 after working 45 years for a company and we had one strike...the company is now in trouble financially, but it damn sure wasn't the unions fault...piss poor management

yeah, hes clueless. but i find it entertaining how he thinks he knows what hes talking about.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

What's BS is that you repeat this nonsense. Union's DO NOT have to represent non paying members.

Can you all stop putting apostrophes in "unions? We've tried to be subtle about this request, but you all are apparently as dense as you sound in your content.

 

[BigBlueDave_rivals76951]

You union guys in this thread act like this is up for debate. This is settled and I don't see it being reversed. In 18 months have your guys run on repealing RTW and see how far it gets them. The only people that like unions are people in the unions.

You don't have to look any further than the Tennessee state line to see what RTW can do. Which state has the better economic engine?

My relatives down there say that Kentucky has a WalMart economy. WTF, how can this be with Kentucky being a union state?

 

[UKRob 73]

What's BS is you are in a conversation and don't have a clue...my son is a steward and representative where he works...retired in '12 after working 45 years for a company and we had one strike...the company is now in trouble financially, but it damn sure wasn't the unions fault...piss poor management

I don't care what your son is or did, I'm talking about federal law. Go look it up, it's been linked in this thread.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

You union guys in this thread act like this is up for debate. This is settled and I don't see it being reversed. In 18 months have your guys run on repealing RTW and see how far it gets them. The only people that like unions are people in the unions.

You don't have to look any further than the Tennessee state line to see what RTW can do. Which state has the better economic engine?

My relatives down there say that Kentucky has a WalMart economy. WTF, how can this be with Kentucky being a union state?

Tennessee's per capita income is ranked 40th and Kentucky's is ranked 45th. The median Tennessean makes less than 1,000 more per year than their Kentucky counterpart.

Their income growth from 2009 to 2012 for the bottom 99% of income earners was 2.7% to kentucky's 5.5%. For the top 1% of earners it was 31.2% to Kentucky's 23.1%. Obviously those RTW laws have benefited the working man immensely in Tennessee...

http://www.epi.org/publication/income-inequality-by-state-1917-to-2012/

And Tennessee is 2nd in the nation when it comes to percentage of households receiving welfare.

I'm sorry, but whatever random anecdotes you used to draw your conclusions are just flat out wrong. As usual from the "who needs facts?" crowd.

 

[UKRob 73]

yeah, hes clueless. but i find it entertaining how he thinks he knows what hes talking about.

Lol. Here is what the Indiana supreme Court said Einstein.



: “The Union’s federal obligation to represent all employees in a bargaining unit is optional; it occurs only when the union elects to be the exclusive bargaining agent, for which it is justly compensated by the right to bargain exclusively with the employer.”

Now I know your steward down at the union hall, Big Ted, told you different. And unfortunately you're not intelligent enough to research it on your own, so I quoted what the Indiana supreme Court said, unanimously I might add.

You're wrong, get over it, and get back to the line, and be the good little union boy they told you to be.

 

[UKRob 73]

Lol. Tenn has been RTW since the 40's. Yet you provide income growth from 2009-2012, and then use welfare recipients as some measure. Jesus, talk about insignificant data.
And if RTW is this doom and gloom you predict, why haven't we seen it Tenn, since they have had it for 70 years.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

Lol. Tenn has been RTW since the 40's. Yet you provide income growth from 2009-2012, and then use welfare recipients as some measure. Jesus, talk about insignificant data.
And if RTW is this doom and gloom you predict, why haven't we seen it Tenn, since they have had it for 70 years.

Again, RTW has helped Tennesseeans into 40th place when it comes to per capita income and has a 0.4% advantage over kentucky when it comes to unemployment. Tennessee also has the 20th worst income inequality while kentucky is 9th best.

I cannot fathom that you think RTW benefits the average working citizen.

How far do you think kentucky climbs now that we have passed this life saving legislation?

 

[krazykats]

I think you miss the point.

If you are in a union good for you, but the RTW will open Kentucky up to land some of these factories coming back to America. That in turn creates work, and one of the reasons why we are in line is that our education level is pretty damn low right now.

However, as we work and earn money across the board then those behind us hopefully have a better foundation.

It isn't just about wages today. Today it's about an abundance of opportunity that RTW can bring us that our state could certainly use.

In the cases where conditions are bad or pay is awful or any of the other reasons people unionize happen then so be it.

Until just be hopeful it does benefit us because it's here.

 

[UKRob 73]

You used # of welfare recipients, as your evidence as to why RTW has been bad in Tenn. What's laughable, is that you don't even read your own charts.
Out of the top 4, Tenn is the ONLY RTW state, the others, Oregon, KY and mich are all non RTW. And mich is the state with the most union's. Do you read what you post?

 

[krazykats]

:joy:

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

You used # of welfare recipients, as your evidence as to why RTW has been bad in Tenn. What's laughable, is that you don't even read your own charts.
Out of the top 4, Tenn is the ONLY RTW state, the others, Oregon, KY and mich are all non RTW. And mich is the state with the most union's. Do you read what you post?

I was responding to the assertion that the fool I quoted said that tennessee had a great economic engine compared to kentucky. Not surprised you cannot follow a linear argument.

And when you stop writing "union's" hell will apparently have been frozen for several millennia.

 

[BigBlueDave_rivals76951]

I was responding to the assertion that the fool I quoted said that tennessee had a great economic engine compared to kentucky. Not surprised you cannot follow a linear argument.

And when you stop writing "union's" hell will apparently have been frozen for several millennia.

So, Tennessee is only negligibly economically better than Kentucky in manufacturing? These numbers are from 2014.


Output

(Billions) Firms Total Population Manufacturing Employment

Ky $31.18 3302 4,413,457 228600

Tenn $48.39 5144 6,549,352 319000


Next, you are going to tell me they have more manufacturing because they have a bigger population. Why is that?


Each state had the exact same population in the 1940 census of 2.9 million. Their entire economy is more conducive for growth, not just manufacturing. People move to where the jobs are and the taxes are low.

What other variables have held us back? Both workforces have about the same educational level. Both states have cheap power and similar infrastructure. Democrats ran our state the whole time with a hiccup of a Republican governor every thirty years.

Your way doesn’t work. I would rather have the growth generated by an additional 2.1 millon people in the state.

http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports...ing-Data/2015-State-Manufacturing-Data-Table/


Anecdotal.


In this context it should be Union's. They should own this mess.

 

[crazyqx83_rivals88013]

So, Tennessee is only negligibly economically better than Kentucky in manufacturing? These numbers are from 2014.


Output

(Billions) Firms Total Population Manufacturing Employment

Ky 31.18 3302 4,413,457 228600

Tenn 48.39 5144 6,549,352 319000


Next, you are going to tell me they have more manufacturing because they have a bigger population. Why is that?


Each state had the exact same population in the 1940 census of 2.9 million. They’re entire economy is more conducive for growth, not just manufacturing. People move to where the jobs are and the taxes are low.

What other variables have held us back? Both workforces have about the same educational level. Both states have cheap power and similar infrastructure. Democrats ran our state the whole time with a hiccup of a Republican governor every thirty years.

Your way doesn’t work. I would rather have the growth generated by an additional 2.1 millon people in the state.

http://www.nam.org/Data-and-Reports...ing-Data/2015-State-Manufacturing-Data-Table/


Anecdotal.


In this context it should be Union's. They should own this mess.

So you're (notice the proper use of that word?) making the argument that Tennessee's population has grown more rapidly than Kentucky's due to RTW? Wow these arguments are getting insane...

 

[jameslee32]

What is right to work?

Translation: Govt instead of a union, should be between me and my employer. Govt should also provide me a job that I can do instead of a rep negotiating with my employer on my behalf. I'm too old to retrain myself or don't have enough ambition to change jobs and better provide for my family. I really want welfare except I'm too proud to call it that.

 

[BigBlueDave_rivals76951]

So you're (notice the proper use of that word?) making the argument that Tennessee's population has grown more rapidly than Kentucky's due to RTW? Wow these arguments are getting insane...

Again, what's the variable? Why is their population growth double ours?

Hell, even the UK ad says that after we get our four year degree we can tryout to sing in Nashville bars.

 

[DSmith21]

No unions = a nation full of Walmart paid workers most on some kind of government assistance and welfare, but the family is worth 135 BILLION DOLLARS...THAT IS GREED...I have nothing against the wealthy , but this is ridiculous!!

Only about 6.5% of private sector jobs are union jobs. The other 93.5% are not "Walmart paid jobs". Get an education (in field that will prepare you for a career) or learn a skill that is in demand and you will be just fine. Drop out of school and have no marketable skills and life is going to be hard. Businesses aren't going pay high rates for unskilled labor in a global economy. The world has changed and unions are dinosaurs.

 

[-LEK-]

Correlation doesn't equal causation

 

[CatsFan4Evr]

Gotta love those spurious correlations.

 

[vhcat70]

Amazon to create $1.5B air hub at CVG
"In a massive economic win for Northern Kentucky and Gov. Matt Bevin, Amazon.com Inc. will build a $1.49 billion worldwide air services hub at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, airport officials said Tuesday. The Amazon Prime Air hub at CVG will be the company’s largest in the world"

"The project will bring up to 2,700 jobs and 40 Boeing 767s to CVG, according to officials, with 600 full-time jobs coming initially. The jobs are expected to include pilots, ground support personnel and maintenance."

Read elsewhere jobs will average $55K/yr.

I'm sure it's just coincidence this happened within three weeks of RTW passing in KY.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2017/01/31/amazon-to-create-1-4b-air-hub-at-cvg.html

 

[krazykats]

Exactly! Begin knew what was going to happen for us as stuff like that is negotiated well before it's announced.

Going RTW was a win/win. It does not stop unions. It helps create more jobs which unions are against.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Yeah, because nobody who works has to get welfare. The gov't just subsidizes wages/benefits for companies like Walmart who pay their people as little as possible and tell them to go get food stamps.

Yet somehow Cosco manages to pay/treat their people well.

The anti-union conglomerate on here are ridiculous. Without unions or the threat of unions, you auto workers would be making $12/hr and liking it. It doesn't make sense in all work forces, but sometimes the only way to be treated like a human being is to unionize. You all act like business owners are this utopian group looking out for their workers.

** Breaking News from the 'Exploding Heads' Department **

Walmart to raise its starting wage to $11, give some employees bonuses following tax bill passage.

** Film at Eleven **

 

[Chuckinden]

I'm like what Johnny Bench said after he retired and the Reds ask him if would serve on the Board of Directors, he replied, "what do I have to do? I'm certainly not working for a living".