Rivals recruiting expert Corey Evans thinks new commit Joe Bamisile will provide the scoring punch Northwestern needs.
Evans: Bamisile 'a heist' for Northwestern
Evans: Bamisile 'a heist' for Northwestern
Rivals' Corey Evans scouts new commit Joe Bamisile
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Not sure how he can say he scores at all 3 levels but only a 30% 3 pt shooter. That needs to improve at next level or teams will sag off him. Everything else sounds great though.
In general, 3-point shooting for a good high school shooter will improve with strength. Coaches look at the mechanics and the release of a kid’s jumper more than the results.
High school kids often have to alter their normal shot to get enough distance on a 3 — launch it from a lower angle, kick out more with their legs, etc. That can create bad habits. As they get stronger, they will use the same stroke on 3s as regular jumpers and, if they have good mechanics, their shooting should improve.
Not all things are about stats, but 3 pt shooting percent is a fairly objective measure of 3 pt shooting ability. From what I’ve seen most kids actually drop their shooting percentage initially in college because of much bigger more athletic defenders. The other traits about length, athleticism, and hustle sound good but the shooting percent concerns me. Hopefully I’ll be wrong.
So, we want a scorer who doesn't have confidence in his game? That would turn out well.
Not sure what your comment means? Please clarify. From the sound of it he’s a high motor, athletic scorer. But the 30% 3 pt percent didn’t jive with the idea that he’s a good scorer at all 3 levels.
Christ, really? It’s a quote from the kid. Of course he is going to be confident. If he weren’t he probably wouldn’t be at the B1G level.
He’s committed to NU. He has drawn rave reviews for recent performances. How about we stop complaining?
Not complaining whatsoever. He seems like a great kid and much needed recruit for us. I am thrilled with it. Are we allowed on a message board to have reasonable discussion of strengths and weaknesses of players? I don’t like when posters continually try to undermine or ***** or troll either. I thought mine was simply a fair observation.
Have you seen him play? Seems to me hard to have a "reasonable" conversation about a kid just using stats who no one has seen play yet.....
His 30% from three is as a 16-17 year old. What does that convert to...45%. That's better than half of NU's squad. I think Collins will take that and work with it.
He does have the ability to score at all three levels if you watch the tape. You're wrong.
But the bigger point is that he's a scorer talking about himself....he has exactly the attitude you want.
I hope he reclassifies and comes to NU a year early.
Some believe stats are for losers. Others have used them for centuries to provide meaningful analysis.
I read that Greer was 49% from 3 in high school. I guess that means he’ll be 74% in college. In my experience, guys shoot worse not better when they face big ten defenders. We saw that with Ryan Taylor this year. I’m glad he’s confident and excited that he committed. Watching highlights is not a great indicator of shooting because they only show made shots
Yes I saw his highlights. Same as any recruit or transfer. His shot looks ok. Of course I’m highlights he makes every shot so that is not exactly a good indicator. Presumably his actual 3 pt percentage is a more reasonable and objective measure. I’m far from a troll so curious why people are flipping out at a fan who sees a lot of positives and notes one area of concern.
Watching highlights indicates that he is taller and stronger than players like Greer....and projects as a better college player....and has decent form.
And Greer's shooting will be fine.
If you know what you're looking for in a scorer/shooter (not the same thing) it doesn't take a whole lot of tape to know whether a prospect has it or not. Same with football in many instances. Walker saw less than a couple minutes of tape on Sutton and said "offer that kid."
Bam can score. And unlike Greer and Taylor, he has a great chance of transitioning to and flourishing at the next level. His stroke from deep will be just fine.
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I'm super psyched about Bam! I dont think we've had a player quite like him before at NU. Very high ceiling, plays well above the rim, exceptional athleticism and puts it in the hole. He's a scorer and can create points.
The question for me is... Who's next?
The question for me is... Who's next?
^ Who knows?
But isn't the assumption that shooting %'s would go down against tougher comp?
Yeah, Bam should have confidence in himself, but I'm sure he (and his coach) is well aware that he needs to work on his stroke.
And even the things that he's particularly good at, he needs to constantly work on them to get even better - which I'm sure he's doing.
But from the sounds of it, Bam may very well have the highest ceiling of any NU recruit since the 1980s.
But isn't the assumption that shooting %'s would go down against tougher comp?
Yeah, Bam should have confidence in himself, but I'm sure he (and his coach) is well aware that he needs to work on his stroke.
And even the things that he's particularly good at, he needs to constantly work on them to get even better - which I'm sure he's doing.
But from the sounds of it, Bam may very well have the highest ceiling of any NU recruit since the 1980s.
Yes, shooting percentage goes down against better competition.
However, shooting improves as a boy matures physically and becomes a man (as Lou V pointed out).
This recruit is a junior in high school who is still growing. He added two to three inches since his freshman year.
This idea of pegging a 16/17 year old's three point shooting percentage and projecting that he'll decline in college is top five in the stupidest things ever discussed on this board.
However, shooting improves as a boy matures physically and becomes a man (as Lou V pointed out).
This recruit is a junior in high school who is still growing. He added two to three inches since his freshman year.
This idea of pegging a 16/17 year old's three point shooting percentage and projecting that he'll decline in college is top five in the stupidest things ever discussed on this board.
Big men usually shoot the 3 better as they age/mature. In high school, they are dunking machines and dominating inside.
Even many big guys in college end up being really good 3 point shooters, as the game changes and they are playing outside more. One that comes to mind is Channing Frye, I looked him up, he was 6-23 in college. He made 137 in one season while playing along Lebron (part of the year) and shot 41%.
So competition matters, but there are other variables where players may become better 3 pt shooters as they age.
Even many big guys in college end up being really good 3 point shooters, as the game changes and they are playing outside more. One that comes to mind is Channing Frye, I looked him up, he was 6-23 in college. He made 137 in one season while playing along Lebron (part of the year) and shot 41%.
So competition matters, but there are other variables where players may become better 3 pt shooters as they age.
Yup. Just making the point that stats don’t support that he’s currently a good 3 pt shooter. I hope he will turn into one.
I still think Nance has the highest ceiling - his father and brother are NBA players after all. We'll see where his development goes.
It’s a reasonable question. Does anyone know the volume of 3 pt shots and 2 pt shots he takes per game? Not sure where to find for a HS guy. But that might provide some context. It’s possible that being “the guy” on his HS he has the ball, draws almost all the attention on D including doubles, and tends to like to attack the rim - so therefore a high % of the time he actually shoots 3s are contested or fades in necessary situations with high degree of difficulty.
It is also possible that at 30% he could stand to improve from outside. Hard to say. Maybe a little bit of both.
Suggesting that the idea of ‘HS Jr 3pt % may have a relationship with College Fr 3pt %’ is one of the top five stupidest things discussed on this board, is well, not in the top 50% of smartest comments I’ve ever read on this board.
But I’ve definitely seen 5 stupider things here, so there’s that.
Nance doesn't have the athleticism of his father or brother; was supposed to be more skilled/developed than his brother at the same stage, but haven't really seen that yet.
Bam is supposed to be an upper-echelon athlete at his position (still need to see it w/ my own eyes) and may very well end up being the best slasher to the basket during my time following the 'Cats.
As for Bam's 3 pt % - no one (at least I'm not) is saying that what he shot as a JR in HS is what he's going to shoot as a frosh in college (like I had stated, I'm sure he's working on his shot).
But if he wasn't working on that, wouldn't exactly bode well for improvement the next level up (needless to say, Bam is going to have to keep working on all aspects of his game).
Young Nance is physically different....huge difference between 6 11 and 6 8. He moves exceptionally well for a 6 11 guy. Not sure of the calculus that says young nance isn't as athletic as his older brother or dad.
It'll be interesting to see how he fills out physically over the summer. More strength will allow him to do more around the basket.
But, basically, he needs to settle down and play his game and not press.
I didn't see Pops play as a Freshman. But I used to go to the Richfield Coliseum to watch Larry with the Cavs and he was a physical freak. Dude could jump out of the gym.
When Larry Sr. was in his first year or two at Phoenix he competed against Jabbar in the slam dunk competition. Back then it wasn't part of the all star game. Each week, two players would compete at half time of the Sunday game and one would win and move on. Larry made Jabbar look like a complete stiff.
Pete doesn't have the hops that his father or bro had/has, but w/ his height, he doesn't necessarily need that.
But at his height and (current) slim build, he hasn't yet shown the skill set of a polished stretch 4-5 (it's as if he still hasn't gotten used to his growth spurt), much less any post moves (which is understandable).
Right now, I'm hoping Nance develops into a pretty good college player (needs a lot of development to make it to the NBA).
I have high hopes for Pete’s development by next year. When watching him play, it seemed clear he wasn’t really used to his size and didn’t always know where all of his parts were at any given time. I believe that will change for much the better by January.
Initially. But as kids get stronger, learn how to deal with the higher level of competition, how to get open and get more work on their shot, they tend to go back up
how do you know he doesn't have the hops? maybe he doesn't, but how do you know?