RJ's Absurd Learning Curve

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First off, props on the Triple Double. Amazing play.
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That said, I am amazed at RJ's learning curve. Over the summer, there were reasonable concerns about RJ, or more accurately, about his style of play. It was assumed that he'd have some ball hog in him, that he would be a real weakness on D, and that his perimeter shooting would be a weakness.
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And, early evidence seemed to underline that. He shot well from 3 in game one, but that game was an outlier followed by poor perimeter shooting. Worse, he was easily baited into taking too many threes. His D was bad. He was a little selfish with the ball (Zags). Basically all he did was score, and that usually in transition or by attacking the rim.
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But he learned to play better, and more importantly, SMARTER.
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Look ball hogs do it from a place of competitiveness. It isn't that they don't care about winning. For most of their careers, the best way for a ball hog's team to win was for the ball hog to aggressively hunt his own shots. For RJ, even when he was on strong (if not outright LOADED) HS, AAu, or national teams, RJ was, by a huge margin, the best offensive option. To the point that what was a "bad" shot for RJ was a better option for his team than anything but an uncontested dunk for most of his teammates. So, his ball hoggishness was not purely selfish, with no thought or care for team success. He hunted his own shot because that was the best way to achieve team success. Some guys never learn otherwise, and far more only learn it after many years of failing in the NBA.
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It took RJ approximately 1/2 of his first college season. He's an alpha scorer who has learned that is OK, heck, NECCESSARY, to pass the ball. His play in the UL game was a 180 from the Zags game. That between the legs pass to Cam, a brilliant maneuver wherein RJ's body effectively and completely screened all defenders off Cam who made the tying 3 was amazing. And it was something that almost no alpha in the NBA would ever consider. He willing shares the spotlight with his teammates, and defers to Zion when appropriate.
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And his D is very good. He doesn't get much press on D, because Tre and Cam are borderline lockdown defenders, with Zion being a rangy shot blocker, all while Bolden is all over the court bothering folks. But RJ's defense has been good. Not freshman good. Just good. Almost zero top ranked, alpha scorers play this kind of D. He's not lockdown. But he's effective.
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Point being, RJ learns, and this applies that knowledge, amazingly quickly. Zion's absurd physical gifts, and aggression, allow him to do absurd things. RJ analyzes, learns, and applies what he's learned effectively instantaneously. Some NBA team is going to luck out.
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I can't imagine the NBA won't "fix" it so that the Knicks and Bulls don't get these guys.
 

SwatX1

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I still think selfish is the wrong word.
To me, selfish means you care more about your own stats than the team.
I don't believe that has ever been the case with RJ. I agree he has taken some ill advised shots or made a bad decision here or there, but I don't think it was out of selfishness. I think it has maybe been more from being used to being the best option. I agree 100% that he seems to continuously learn and apply what he has learned.
 

Shatterthesky22

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First off, props on the Triple Double. Amazing play.
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That said, I am amazed at RJ's learning curve. Over the summer, there were reasonable concerns about RJ, or more accurately, about his style of play. It was assumed that he'd have some ball hog in him, that he would be a real weakness on D, and that his perimeter shooting would be a weakness.
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And, early evidence seemed to underline that. He shot well from 3 in game one, but that game was an outlier followed by poor perimeter shooting. Worse, he was easily baited into taking too many threes. His D was bad. He was a little selfish with the ball (Zags). Basically all he did was score, and that usually in transition or by attacking the rim.
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But he learned to play better, and more importantly, SMARTER.
.
Look ball hogs do it from a place of competitiveness. It isn't that they don't care about winning. For most of their careers, the best way for a ball hog's team to win was for the ball hog to aggressively hunt his own shots. For RJ, even when he was on strong (if not outright LOADED) HS, AAu, or national teams, RJ was, by a huge margin, the best offensive option. To the point that what was a "bad" shot for RJ was a better option for his team than anything but an uncontested dunk for most of his teammates. So, his ball hoggishness was not purely selfish, with no thought or care for team success. He hunted his own shot because that was the best way to achieve team success. Some guys never learn otherwise, and far more only learn it after many years of failing in the NBA.
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It took RJ approximately 1/2 of his first college season. He's an alpha scorer who has learned that is OK, heck, NECCESSARY, to pass the ball. His play in the UL game was a 180 from the Zags game. That between the legs pass to Cam, a brilliant maneuver wherein RJ's body effectively and completely screened all defenders off Cam who made the tying 3 was amazing. And it was something that almost no alpha in the NBA would ever consider. He willing shares the spotlight with his teammates, and defers to Zion when appropriate.
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And his D is very good. He doesn't get much press on D, because Tre and Cam are borderline lockdown defenders, with Zion being a rangy shot blocker, all while Bolden is all over the court bothering folks. But RJ's defense has been good. Not freshman good. Just good. Almost zero top ranked, alpha scorers play this kind of D. He's not lockdown. But he's effective.
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Point being, RJ learns, and this applies that knowledge, amazingly quickly. Zion's absurd physical gifts, and aggression, allow him to do absurd things. RJ analyzes, learns, and applies what he's learned effectively instantaneously. Some NBA team is going to luck out.
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I can't imagine the NBA won't "fix" it so that the Knicks and Bulls don't get these guys.
Good post. RJ is a special player in his own right, and whoever ends drafting second should be thrilled at getting a player who would be the consensus #1 pick in almost any other draft.
 

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I think his D could be a bit better. But he’s been just tremendous.

Honestly can RJ be a bit of a ball hog sometimes? Sure. You know who else? Kobe. Fact is the great players should have the ball more and should get more shots.
 
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RJ is incredible, and getting better everyday on top of that. But I do want to say, it only takes one play to change from being lauded to ripped apart. The pass RJ went between his legs to the trailing Cam for the 3 that tied...if that pass had went awry, and Duke hadn't scored there...then lost the game...all the RJ hate would have exploded to the forefront. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

OFC
 

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One thing I've noticed about RJ is he's relentless. He'll make a bad play/drive, but immediately will go for the put back or tap it to a teammate before the defense has time to adjust. It's amazing really.
 
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I can mostly agree with this post. I think if you look at the last 5 games or so, he has learned to co-exist more. Really only have one complaint during that time - I went to the Duke and L’Ville game last Tuesday, obviously the first 31 minutes were a living nightmare. Watched him ruthlessly chuck some seriously ill-advised shots. He’s a freshman, in panic mode - it happens. I specifically remember L’Ville got the ball to start the 2nd half and they nailed a 3 to go up by 12 points. Road game, down double digits, no momentum for Duke. Immediately coming up court, Tre swings RJ the ball on the right perimeter ring. He takes drives to the elbow and meets a double team, takes a sideways leaning against 100% double smothered contest and it barely catches the rim. THAT’S the flash of selfish, ball-hog, terrible decision making that can’t happen. In a time where it’s most important to get a basket and show signs of life, he took the worst shot I’ve seen him take all year. But that being said, the way he coexisted with his team in those final 9 minutes, playing tough defense and surrendering his ego to Cam’s hot hand. That says a lot about maturity and growth.

Of the 4 freshmen, he’s the worst defender. But don’t get that confused with being a bad defender, he’s just not quite on par with the other 3 (who have incredible defensive IQ in general, let alone for being freshmen.) and He has really improved his 3pt shooting the 2nd half of the season, so that’s definitely a plus.

I’m ok with RJ getting his deserved 15 or so attempts per game, but Zion is the best player on this team and the #1 rated offensive player (efficiency) in the country. It’s time to hand him the keys as the pack leader in this group of alphas.
 
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RJ is a special talent and he truly has made a real effort to change some in game tendencies after that Gonzaga game. A lot of guys could have taken a turn for the worse after receiving all the criticism he did after the game, but he did the opposite.
 

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Dont think RJ was ever a ball hog for us. He took way to many I'll advised, forced shots early. Still takes some, not not as many. He was always willing to pass, especially to Zion, and was a good passer from the start. But, to me, he was trying to do it to help his team win. He was never that guy who was just out to get his own, win or lose. He was trying to will his team to win, albeit the wrong way. Ball hogs are out for their own stats, their own glory. They are happy with scoring 30 in a loss and disappointed with a win if they didn't get theirs. They ignore wide open shooters that are available for a pass and take their own shot, good or bad.
 

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A lot of guys could have taken a turn for the worse after receiving all the criticism he did after the game, but he did the opposite.

Media is going to do their bs, that’s part of the spotlight but the criticism from Duke fans made me sick. Top guy in the draft class, chooses Duke, Coach K decides the ball belongs in RJ’s hands. He blows the attempts and madness rains down. The trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks him while he’s down. A finger shouldn’t be pointed period but if people insist on pointing out the blame, don’t sabotage an 18 year old kid for following the gameplan. Go point that ‘criticism’ at the GOAT and see where it gets you.
 

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Media is going to do their bs, that’s part of the spotlight but the criticism from Duke fans made me sick. Top guy in the draft class, chooses Duke, Coach K decides the ball belongs in RJ’s hands. He blows the attempts and madness rains down. The trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks him while he’s down. A finger shouldn’t be pointed period but if people insist on pointing out the blame, don’t sabotage an 18 year old kid for following the gameplan. Go point that ‘criticism’ at the GOAT and see where it gets you.
LMFBO, the criticism from Duke fans made you sick? What happens when the criticism has been coming from you? The trash bandwagon part of our fan base? Dude are you freaking serious? It may be only me that you seem like a troll to, but if I'm wrong I'll admit, but I don't think so.

See you talk about the same things you have done since you started a posting here on the NC State game thread page 9. If that wasn't enough, your very second post period on the rivals board, under the title: will duke, you are doing the exact same thing that you claim make you sick and how the trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks a player while he is down. How about you GFY with your BS. You ain't fooling nobody here.

If I'm wrong about what I just posted and read on your rivals.com post, I'll be the first to apologize, but I doubt that happens. Read your post halfway down the page and tell me how you are not doing the exact same thing you have the nerve to complain about in your post above?

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/will-duke.867946/
 
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LMFAO, the criticism from Duke fans made you sick? What happens when the criticism has been coming from you? The trash bandwagon part of our fan base? Dude are you freaking serious? It may be only me that you seem like a troll too, but if I'm wrong I'll admit, but I don't think so. See you talk about the same things you have done since you started a posting here on the NC State game thread page 9. If that wasn't enough, your very second post period on the rivals board, under the title: will duke, you are doing the exact same thing that you claim make you sick and how the trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks a player while he is down. How about you GFY with your BS. You ain't fooling nobody here. If I'm wrong about what I just posted and read on your rivals.com post, I'll be the first to apologize, but I doubt that happens. Read your post halfway down the page and tell me how you are not doing the exact same thing you have the nerve to complain about in your post above?

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/will-duke.867946/

 

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If we beat the Holes will it be because we actually beat them or didn't beat ourselves like when we played VA!
LMFBO, the criticism from Duke fans made you sick? What happens when the criticism has been coming from you? The trash bandwagon part of our fan base? Dude are you freaking serious? It may be only me that you seem like a troll to, but if I'm wrong I'll admit, but I don't think so.

See you talk about the same things you have done since you started a posting here on the NC State game thread page 9. If that wasn't enough, your very second post period on the rivals board, under the title: will duke, you are doing the exact same thing that you claim make you sick and how the trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks a player while he is down. How about you GFY with your BS. You ain't fooling nobody here.

If I'm wrong about what I just posted and read on your rivals.com post, I'll be the first to apologize, but I doubt that happens. Read your post halfway down the page and tell me how you are not doing the exact same thing you have the nerve to complain about in your post above?

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/will-duke.867946/
This dude’s a tool soldier.....good lord
 
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Media is going to do their bs, that’s part of the spotlight but the criticism from Duke fans made me sick. Top guy in the draft class, chooses Duke, Coach K decides the ball belongs in RJ’s hands. He blows the attempts and madness rains down. The trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks him while he’s down. A finger shouldn’t be pointed period but if people insist on pointing out the blame, don’t sabotage an 18 year old kid for following the gameplan. Go point that ‘criticism’ at the GOAT and see where it gets you.

Go away
 
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LMFBO, the criticism from Duke fans made you sick? What happens when the criticism has been coming from you? The trash bandwagon part of our fan base? Dude are you freaking serious? It may be only me that you seem like a troll to, but if I'm wrong I'll admit, but I don't think so.

See you talk about the same things you have done since you started a posting here on the NC State game thread page 9. If that wasn't enough, your very second post period on the rivals board, under the title: will duke, you are doing the exact same thing that you claim make you sick and how the trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks a player while he is down. How about you GFY with your BS. You ain't fooling nobody here.

If I'm wrong about what I just posted and read on your rivals.com post, I'll be the first to apologize, but I doubt that happens. Read your post halfway down the page and tell me how you are not doing the exact same thing you have the nerve to complain about in your post above?

https://forums.rivals.com/threads/will-duke.867946/

I responded a lengthy reply to you in the other thread. Damn man, are just fluttering to my every post to “blast me as a troll” — Feels like you’re just trying to troll me.

The only criticism I dished directly at the players was that Tre and Zion are not good overall 3pt shooters. But they are EXCELLENT players in all aspects of their “archetype” (playmaker / athletic finisher) and defensively. Also made the statement that Reddish’s game suffers when he’s catching and shooting off of a screen or spotted up. His jumper still leaves us all desiring consistency but he’s much more comfortable off the dribble or in transition. Of course, you’re reading on repeat right now because I said all of this on the other thread.

Gonzaga game situation: A young man putting forth his best effort to make a play for his team and failing... Followed up by being blasted across ESPN, virtually trending on twitter - with multiple NBA players tweeting some harsh words, opposing fan bases laughing at him. Ball hog, Predictable, Hero Ball, Selfish and topped off with some severly hateful criticism from his own team’s fan base.

Me on the forum: Tre Jones is an incredible playmaker, possess incredible court vision and ball handling. It’s a shame to see him not having the keys to the offense and instead being forced to play off-ball and find an open perimeter spot to set-up for potentially being asked to shoot a shot that he wanting to take because he’s a terrible 3pt shooter. (You can switch this example with Zion, because I said he shouldn’t be encouraged to shoot from outside. Or with Reddish because I said he can’t catch and shoot off of screens at an effective rate.)

Tre shoots 27% from behind the arc. I went to the Louisville game last Tuesday. He is literally so uncomfortable playing off-ball and being asked to shoot shoot a 3, that he caught the ball wide open in the corner. Frozen for a second. Took 2 dribbles into the mid-range area and air-balled. I don’t think calling someone a “terrible 3pt shooter” (especially someone who is well-aware and not eager to shoot them) is anywhere near the damage of completely turning your back on a guy at the start of the season for following a gameplan and failing to score and calling him all the negative selfish basketball terminology available.

If you don’t see by now that I’m criticizing the MOTION OFFENSE restricting the players from their abilities and not criticizing the players themselves, then I give up and I’m done trying to reason with you.

I’m going to “GFM” right into bed. I guess I didn’t fool you but I sure fooled my wallet when I paid hundreds and hundreds of dollars to attend that Duke / L’Ville game last week. Maybe I’ll logon to my StubHub app and request a refund.

One last thing... This is my dog Kameron that I saved from a shelter when she was a puppy. She’ll be turning 6 years old in May, seems only right that since I’m giving up my trolling ways, the dog deserves a new name. Any suggestions?
 

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He went from being the man to being one amongst equals or at least a lot closer.
 

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Very possible. He’s deff someone who’s been around before

Might be. So far his posts seems to be analytical, with the theme being that we are not the best of shooters. I don’t disagree with that statement. Will agree that his first 20 or so posts are all full of highlighting weaknesses which are few and very little strengths which are plenty. Odd way to break into a board.

Listen if this team could consistently shoot they wouldn’t bother playing the tournament this year it would be a formality. But we don’t consistently shoot, which is why we could be beaten. It is also why defenses are playing a lot of zone and why the man we do see is a packed in version.

Spacing is the toughest thing to accomplish at the college level because the level of shooting is not what it is at the nba level. You can’t leave your guy at the nba level because that guy will bury an open look 75% of the time. Not that case in college. It’s no secret what teams are doing to us, which is why we are best when we are creating turnovers and getting out in transition. If you take care of the ball and pack it in against us all night, we may struggle to score. But that task is much harder to accomplish than it seems, which is why we are so successful. When our defense is fully engaged, we are relentless. You may find the right passes for a 5 or 10 minute stretch, but to do it for 40 minutes is a tallllll task. And once we wear you down we are like Tyson in his prime, we are coming at you until you are out.

Let me do a pro and con list and see what opponents need to deal with;

Pro: Athletic, Passing, Rebounding, Transition, Creating Contact, Pressure Defense, Steals, Blocks, Killer Instinct.

Con: Shooting

So in sum to beat us you have to find a way to minimize all our pro’s while forcing us to do something we aren’t good at. Good luck.
 

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Might be. So far his posts seems to be analytical, with the theme being that we are not the best of shooters. I don’t disagree with that statement. Will agree that his first 20 or so posts are all full of highlighting weaknesses which are few and very little strengths which are plenty. Odd way to break into a board.

Listen if this team could consistently shoot they wouldn’t bother playing the tournament this year it would be a formality. But we don’t consistently shoot, which is why we could be beaten. It is also why defenses are playing a lot of zone and why the man we do see is a packed in version.

Spacing is the toughest thing to accomplish at the college level because the level of shooting is not what it is at the nba level. You can’t leave your guy at the nba level because that guy will bury an open look 75% of the time. Not that case in college. It’s no secret what teams are doing to us, which is why we are best when we are creating turnovers and getting out in transition. If you take care of the ball and pack it in against us all night, we may struggle to score. But that task is much harder to accomplish than it seems, which is why we are so successful. When our defense is fully engaged, we are relentless. You may find the right passes for a 5 or 10 minute stretch, but to do it for 40 minutes is a tallllll task. And once we wear you down we are like Tyson in his prime, we are coming at you until you are out.

Let me do a pro and con list and see what opponents need to deal with;

Pro: Athletic, Passing, Rebounding, Transition, Creating Contact, Pressure Defense, Steals, Blocks, Killer Instinct.

Con: Shooting

So in sum to beat us you have to find a way to minimize all our pro’s while forcing us to do something we aren’t good at. Good luck.
If you remember correctly JB did the same thing.
 

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Media is going to do their bs, that’s part of the spotlight but the criticism from Duke fans made me sick. Top guy in the draft class, chooses Duke, Coach K decides the ball belongs in RJ’s hands. He blows the attempts and madness rains down. The trash bandwagon part of our fan base kicks him while he’s down. A finger shouldn’t be pointed period but if people insist on pointing out the blame, don’t sabotage an 18 year old kid for following the gameplan. Go point that ‘criticism’ at the GOAT and see where it gets you.
What the........
 

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It would have taken less than 1/2 a college season if we played a true road game before conference play, preferably Elon or Wofford...
 
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I responded a lengthy reply to you in the other thread. Damn man, are just fluttering to my every post to “blast me as a troll” — Feels like you’re just trying to troll me.

The only criticism I dished directly at the players was that Tre and Zion are not good overall 3pt shooters. But they are EXCELLENT players in all aspects of their “archetype” (playmaker / athletic finisher) and defensively. Also made the statement that Reddish’s game suffers when he’s catching and shooting off of a screen or spotted up. His jumper still leaves us all desiring consistency but he’s much more comfortable off the dribble or in transition. Of course, you’re reading on repeat right now because I said all of this on the other thread.

Gonzaga game situation: A young man putting forth his best effort to make a play for his team and failing... Followed up by being blasted across ESPN, virtually trending on twitter - with multiple NBA players tweeting some harsh words, opposing fan bases laughing at him. Ball hog, Predictable, Hero Ball, Selfish and topped off with some severly hateful criticism from his own team’s fan base.

Me on the forum: Tre Jones is an incredible playmaker, possess incredible court vision and ball handling. It’s a shame to see him not having the keys to the offense and instead being forced to play off-ball and find an open perimeter spot to set-up for potentially being asked to shoot a shot that he wanting to take because he’s a terrible 3pt shooter. (You can switch this example with Zion, because I said he shouldn’t be encouraged to shoot from outside. Or with Reddish because I said he can’t catch and shoot off of screens at an effective rate.)

Tre shoots 27% from behind the arc. I went to the Louisville game last Tuesday. He is literally so uncomfortable playing off-ball and being asked to shoot shoot a 3, that he caught the ball wide open in the corner. Frozen for a second. Took 2 dribbles into the mid-range area and air-balled. I don’t think calling someone a “terrible 3pt shooter” (especially someone who is well-aware and not eager to shoot them) is anywhere near the damage of completely turning your back on a guy at the start of the season for following a gameplan and failing to score and calling him all the negative selfish basketball terminology available.

If you don’t see by now that I’m criticizing the MOTION OFFENSE restricting the players from their abilities and not criticizing the players themselves, then I give up and I’m done trying to reason with you.

I’m going to “GFM” right into bed. I guess I didn’t fool you but I sure fooled my wallet when I paid hundreds and hundreds of dollars to attend that Duke / L’Ville game last week. Maybe I’ll logon to my StubHub app and request a refund.

One last thing... This is my dog Kameron that I saved from a shelter when she was a puppy. She’ll be turning 6 years old in May, seems only right that since I’m giving up my trolling ways, the dog deserves a new name. Any suggestions?

This is Patty Yates, long!
 

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This is Patty Yates, long!

If you remember correctly JB did the same thing.

Very possible. He’s deff someone who’s been around before

Way back in the day I was active on the ESPN forums. I had thousands of posts. “ThatDukeFan” was my username and everyone called me TDF. Those forums closed in like 2014. I doubt any of you used those forums or if so, have any recollection of it. But incase so, that’s the only forum I’ve very actively been a part of.

After that I joined the Duke Basketball Report forum. Which is probably the most active “non-troll” Duke forum. It seemed like majority of the community either graduated from Duke or lived in the area and went to every game. Which that’s awesome but a lot of threads regardless of topic turned into discussions about those events. Never had an issue with anyone, all great Duke fans — But I didn’t really fit in. (This was a few years ago, it could be different or non-existent now.)

I dabbled in a few others but they were either low traffic or loaded with trolls. Lost interest.

I went to that game last week and coincidentally sat next to another Duke fan. We had quite a few really good conversations about the team and previous teams. On the drive home from Louisville, I guess I just realized that I missed talking about the team with other real fans. Few days later I looked into Duke forums and ran across Devil’s Den and this one. Signed up to see what it was all about. Thought this one looked more active so here I am.

Honestly, if all of you on here are just completely turned against me or going to obsess over thinking I’m a troll / past member then I’ll just cancel my membership, count the $10 as a loss and leave. I’m not the type to succumb to people jabbing at me, but nobody likes trolls and ultimately what’s the fun of this if I’m just trolled every thread I go into.
 

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You’re paying for this forum? Don’t tell anyone but I’m getting it free.

Why even be a smartass....? Lol you’re just trolling dude.

Subscribing gets you access to recruiting news and the Devil Insider forum too. I figured the recruiting stuff might be cool plus a bonus forum. If there’s a “hidden secret” that it’s a waste of money then oh well, it’s only 10 bucks.
 

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Let’s not turn into THR here, if he’s a duke fan he’s a duke fan, we don’t all have to get along or agree all the time but if anyone is a troll believe me we will take care of it. It’s carolina week, let’s go.
 

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Why even be a smartass....? Lol you’re just trolling dude.

Subscribing gets you access to recruiting news and the Devil Insider forum too. I figured the recruiting stuff might be cool plus a bonus forum. If there’s a “hidden secret” that it’s a waste of money then oh well, it’s only 10 bucks.
Lighten up frances, it was meant as a joke.