But it's not. Control of a womans body is the main talking point. The outcry isn't bc rape and incest victims, it's about the general possibility of limiting abortion...and you know that.
The problem with Mississippi isn't just when the abortion becomes illegal, it's abortion access in general. It doesn't really matter for how much a pregnancy an abortion is legal if someone can't get to an abortion clinic. Mississippi has one in the entire state. I think the vast majority of people would be fine with abortions being legal for like 1.5 trimesters (and after that in the case of fetal death, non-viability, or risk to the mother's life) if these states actually had enough abortion clinics so they were accessible.
I think the Democrats would be smart to start the discussions. Could put political pressure on the Pubs but they would have to compromise - something in the 15-20 week range.
I think this right here exhibits these bans are written as if pregnancy is black and white but in reality it has a million shades of grey. There was a tourist in Malta just last week who had a partial miscarriage but due to Malta's abortion ban couldn't get the rest of the fetus removed. She had to be airlifted to Spain for the procedure before she died.
You have, on this board, openly supported nearly every form of evil on the planet but you draw the line at name-calling.
It would have almost impossible for them to have done that. I believe they had a supermajority in the Senate for a total of 23 days during Obama's 8 years in office. So they had 23 days to do something assuming every Democrat would have voted for it, which was a long shot considering how much compromising Obama had to do with some moderate Democrat senators with the ACA (e.g. Lieberman).
Internet airplanes fast cars all make federal abortion laws moot. It’s time to honor the 10th amendment that was put into the constitution in order for the anti federalists to ratify the constitution and create the country. Time and time again that amendment has been pissed on by those who want a tyrannical government. Time and time again those who made that deal they have been dishonored. It’s why there is a deep division in America. There is zero consensus to create an amendment or law to legalize abortion or give some sort of abortion right. When this happens it needs to be left to the states. Some would “slavery blah blah blah”. Well there is consensus on that with a constitutional amendment. Roe v Wade stood for 50 years and there could be no consensus to ratify the constitution or even pass a law.
So I assume you will be upset when Republicans take control of the Presidency and both chambers of Congress and ban abortion nationwide? Or is this one of those "it should be left up to the states only when I disagree federally" type of things?
lmao, you could have just said "I have no clue how pregnancy actually works."
The only thing silly is this post which actually contributes nothing to the discussion.
Looks like Specter switched parties at the end of April giving Dems a 60-40 advantage. Then Scott Brown was elected in Mass to replace Kennedy and take it back to 59 Dems in the caucus. So roughly 4 months. I read where it was 72 working days. Maybe Kennedy was only around for 23. Not sure. But, 72 days was plenty of time.
When Specter switched parties the election Franken would eventually win was still under a recount, so there was only 59 seated Dems (including the two Independents who caucus with the Dems). Kennedy started his health leave on June 9, bumping it down to 58, and then Franken was seated in July, bringing it back to 59. The Dems didn't have 60 until Kennedy's replacement was sworn in on September 25. There were 11 days and then the Senate took a recess on October 9. The Senate was not in session from October 9 through the end of the year according to this schedule.
Are you suggesting that the law should change every time a party grabs control of Congress and the executive?
No. I'm suggesting many of the conservatives who are now proclaiming this is a state's rights issue will have no problem when abortion is banned federally.
Republicans voting for that at this point would be committing political suicide.
You'd be wrong. Our federal government needs to be neutered in many more areas. It is far too big and far too powerful.
I'm firmly convinced that large companies see this as a win / win. They get to virtue signal to the media without any negative consequence while also making a relatively small fixed contribution to minimize their costs for maternity leave and the amount of dependents they have to insure. You can bump the abortion benefit they'd give out up to $10k and it still probably easily nets out for most businesses employing professionals.
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I believe if I'm driving drunk and kill a pregnant woman in a wreck, I'm up on 2 counts, not 1, more often than not.
The problem is you can't look at it that way. If you kill a pregnant woman, you have take the choice away from her when it was her choice. Secondly, if you look at it your way, shouldn't child support start at conception? Shouldn't you be able to have life insurance for the fetus? It isn't hypocrisy for there to be different standards for different things. It happens in multiple ways every day for every one.
No. That is ludicrous. A woman does not have the choice to decide if there is a life in them or not. That is inane. If it is a life worthy of protection under criminal laws, it is a life worthy of protection.
Clarence Thomas thinks the Court should stay in its lane. People who don’t understand his point are acting like their hair is on fire. People who understand and disagree are disagreeing without the emotional overlay.
Under abortion laws that allow for it, a woman does in fact have the choice about the “life” in them. Contact any insurance company to see if you can insure a fetus. I have yet to find one that will allow it. To go a step further, even the Bible says life begins at first breath and ends at last breath.
Except that isn’t true. I’m pro choice which means I support the choice a woman chooses to make whether it be adoption, abortion, or whatever other choice she thinks is best for her and her family.
