Roe vs. Wade Overturned.

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You mean the one where the conservative south lost on their home turf to the liberal north? Or are you going to pretend the south was liberal in the 1800s?
The one where the GOP won the war The one where the GOP fought the Dem’s Jim Crow. The one where the GOP got the 11th Amendment passed over the racist Dems’ objections.
 
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It will be interesting to see if this draft decision is final. And what the split will be.

A 5-4 official decision will be hotly debated for years.
 
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You are triggered and cannot formulate a sensible argument. All you have is false accusations, misstatements and personal attacks. It’s a bad place to be, where you are.
Texas has a law on the book that allows rapists to sue their victims for getting an abortion, other states have followed or will follow with similar laws. This ruling allows states to outlaw abortion under any circumstance, including rape.

So I ask again, why do you support the rapists in the battle of reproductive rights but not the victims?
 

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Texas has a law on the book that allows rapists to sue their victims for getting an abortion, other states have followed or will follow with similar laws. This ruling allows states to outlaw abortion under any circumstance, including rape.

So I ask again, why do you support the rapists in the battle of reproductive rights but not the victims?
Save your breath. You are arguing with some terrible people.
 
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You mean like last time when the conservative south lost to the liberal north? Or are you going to pretend like the south was liberal in the 1800s?
You think either was liberal by your standards? They were all Christian and worked.
 

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Texas has a law on the book that allows rapists to sue their victims for getting an abortion, other states have followed or will follow with similar laws. This ruling allows states to outlaw abortion under any circumstance, including rape.

So I ask again, why do you support the rapists in the battle of reproductive rights but not the victims?
Oh, someone has foolishly confused me with “Texas.” Put down the bottle and sober up.
 
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I do wonder what this will do for future elections. The left is usually awful at midterm turnout, but they'll be fired up like never before because of this. And the right has accused the left of going full social issues, which is true, yet most will be celebrating this news and I'm sure at some point the talk will focus on gay marriage once again as if that's still an important issue to the country.
 
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I do wonder what this will do for future elections. The left is usually awful at midterm turnout, but they'll be fired up like never before because of this. And the right has accused the left of going full social issues, which is true, yet most will be celebrating this news and I'm sure at some point the talk will focus on gay marriage once again as if that's still an important issue to the country.
The extremist fascist conservatives who want to turn the USA into a Christian nationalist nation, like how the Muslims have done in the Middle East, will absolutely be coming after gay marriage next.
 
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I do wonder what this will do for future elections. The left is usually awful at midterm turnout, but they'll be fired up like never before because of this. And the right has accused the left of going full social issues, which is true, yet most will be celebrating this news and I'm sure at some point the talk will focus on gay marriage once again as if that's still an important issue to the country.
Yea. Im sure the economy, inflation, food shortages, rampant crime and looming ww3 will fall out of the news to argue about gay marriage. Nobody cares about that one anymore. I know baptist preachers that are ok with gay marriage now.
 

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I do wonder what this will do for future elections. The left is usually awful at midterm turnout, but they'll be fired up like never before because of this. And the right has accused the left of going full social issues, which is true, yet most will be celebrating this news and I'm sure at some point the talk will focus on gay marriage once again as if that's still an important issue to the country.

It’s going to be awful. People will be non-stop talking about it incessantly for the next 20 election cycles. It will be all consuming for some. Just completely exhausting. It was much better when it was “settled” that way 90% of people STFU about it. It sucks, frankly.
 

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I do wonder what this will do for future elections. The left is usually awful at midterm turnout, but they'll be fired up like never before because of this. And the right has accused the left of going full social issues, which is true, yet most will be celebrating this news and I'm sure at some point the talk will focus on gay marriage once again as if that's still an important issue to the country.
As if anyone who is super passionate about this issue wasn't going to be to at the polls with bells on, anyway. The question is, whether the votes that will make a difference, that is, independents, will be more angry at the decision, or at the odious behavior from the Left (including attemps at court packing, which is absolutely toxic to swing voters and possibly a few riots as well) that is bound to follow.
 

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As someone with kids who would never consider an abortion I don’t believe the government should be involved and I think it should be a personal choice of the individual. Now please ignore this post and continue arguing

Just about any centrist/independent who doesn't spend everyday obsessing over LeftLand vs. RightLand and ignores cable news feels the same way as you.

I still would be shocked if this goes through. This would galvanize a lot of folks who normally stay out of politics and I think we'd see nationwide protests resembling like something out of the 60s... at least I hope we would.
 

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Yea. Im sure the economy, inflation, food shortages, rampant crime and looming ww3 will fall out of the news to argue about gay marriage. Nobody cares about that one anymore. I know baptist preachers that are ok with gay marriage now.
Oh my good person, you vastly underestimate the media arms of each part and the gullible nature of the Murican people.

On a side note, go us. Two pages in and no one has been a complete jerk yet.
 
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Just about any centrist/independent who doesn't spend everyday obsessing over LeftLand vs. RightLand and ignores cable news feels the same way as you.

I still would be shocked if this goes through. This would galvanize a lot of folks who normally stay out of politics and I think we'd see nationwide protests resembling like something out of the 60s... at least I hope we would.
Shocked "if this goes through"? Do you think Supreme Court opinions are subject to a rioters veto?
 

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Just about any centrist/independent who doesn't spend everyday obsessing over LeftLand vs. RightLand and ignores cable news feels the same way as you.

I still would be shocked if this goes through. This would galvanize a lot of folks who normally stay out of politics and I think we'd see nationwide protests resembling like something out of the 60s... at least I hope we would.

It’s going to be awful. Seriously, the next 6 months are going to be hell. Now that it’s “overturned” it will be a rallying cry for democrats to elect a democrat for the Supreme Court and vice versa. It will now never end. And it’s an incredibly polarizing issue that can easily be used to distract from real issues.
 

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It’s going to be awful. Seriously, the next 6 months are going to be hell. Now that it’s “overturned” it will be a rallying cry for democrats to elect a democrat for the Supreme Court and vice versa. It will now never end. And it’s an incredibly polarizing issue that can easily be used to distract from real issues.
So we shouldn't do the right thing if it pisses off dems because they will riot and throw a fit? Legally speaking, RvW is unconstitutional. This isn't banning it. It is sending it back to the states or congress to make a law on it. The court isn't supposed to make law and in the absence of law they have nothing to rule on.
 

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The extremist fascist conservatives who want to turn the USA into a Christian nationalist nation, like how the Muslims have done in the Middle East, will absolutely be coming after gay marriage next.
With all due respect, you're too emotional for this thread.

Yea. Im sure the economy, inflation, food shortages, rampant crime and looming ww3 will fall out of the news to argue about gay marriage. Nobody cares about that one anymore. I know baptist preachers that are ok with gay marriage now.
Give an inch, take a mile. Is the passion against gay marriage still lingering? Probably not, but heck, just on this site alone there was rage over the KSR drag brunch. I'm just wondering if it stops here with RvW, or if we're headed towards more social issue debates in the future that most deemed already settled.
 
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I started the thread but so many different opinions. Abortion at 9 months for any reason is wrong because if you agree it should be legal due to rape or incest then 9 months is way to long to not be able to make a decision. 30-60 days tops.
Less than 1% of abortions happen after 21 weeks. No one is having an abortion late in a pregnancy for fun. It's only happening if the fetus is dead of there is extreme risk to the mother.

30-60 days into a pregnancy many women don't even know they're pregnant. The way "weeks pregnant" is counted you could be six weeks pregnant but been a virgin four weeks ago.

This thread is full of people who have no idea how pregnancy or abortion actual work.
 

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It’s going to be awful. Seriously, the next 6 months are going to be hell. Now that it’s “overturned” it will be a rallying cry for democrats to elect a democrat for the Supreme Court and vice versa. It will now never end. And it’s an incredibly polarizing issue that can easily be used to distract from real issues.

I agree, with the caveat that I do think it's a real issue especially when you think of what has been built off of Roe v. Wade. The new precedent set by overturning it leads down IMO a pretty dangerous road with other issues/rights.
 

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So we shouldn't do the right thing if it pisses off dems because they will riot and throw a fit? Legally speaking, RvW is unconstitutional. This isn't banning it. It is sending it back to the states or congress to make a law on it. The court isn't supposed to make law and in the absence of law they have nothing to rule on.

I’m not arguing for or against abortion. I stated my opinion on the matter. I’m talking about the realities of what’s going to happen. We will be hearing nonstop about abortion for the rest of our lives now. Bank on it. Non-stop. After all, if it’s overturned today, that means it can be overturned again! It’s a massive hot button issue that’s been opened back up. It will be used to rally both sides nonstop.
 
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With all due respect, you're too emotional for this thread.


Give an inch, take a mile. Is the passion against gay marriage still lingering? Probably not, but heck, just on this site alone there was rage over the KSR drag brunch. I'm just wondering if it stops here with RvW, or if we're headed towards more social issue debates in the future that most deemed already settled.
Well teachers are openly wanting to talk about sex and masturbation to 5 and 6 yo kids. FL passed a law to make them wait until they were 8 and to let the parents know if they were talking about anything medically.... Libs freaked out over that. Elon posted that diagram of the political shift in this country and it isn't the right going further right. The left has lost their minds are running further left.

The list of liberal intellectuals who are fleeing the left over fear of where the woke culture leads is growing every day. I just watched a podcast with 2 gay dudes who were life long dems talking about voting for Trump in '24.
 

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Most of Europe caps abortion at 16 to 24 weeks though. Nobody in Europe was allowing abortion up to or after birth.
An abortion cap at 21 weeks would still make over 99% of pregnancies legal. If you only allowed abortion after 21 weeks in the case of death of the fetus or imminent death of the mother if the pregnancy continued you'd probably still allow 99.99% of abortions. But we both know that's not going to happen. States will outright ban it.

Which means the mother who learns the fetus she's carrying doesn't have a brain stem could not have the fetus removed from her.
 
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