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the point is that these laws are being made by predominantly older white men. Many times without considering the input of their constituents. We’ve seen that happen in KY where congress won’t vote on sports gambling when the vast majority of Kentuckians want it.
The law of Roe was promoted by a racist white woman who favored eugenics and the practice of Roe has killed statistically significantly more black children per capita than other races in this country. Pointing to race does favor the liberals on this issue.
 
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Extremist Republicans are going to send this country into another civil war if they keep up with trying to revert this country back to the 1800s. What's next for y'all? Gay marriage? Interracial marriage? Women voting? Bringing back segregation laws, slavery?

Y'all want to the USA to be like some ******** third world country like Iraq? Well congratulations, you just got one step closer!
Dude you need to calm down. If anyone is sending this country to a second civil war it’s the left. Assaulting people in public, burning down cities.. etc.
So Republicans/conservatives, why do you support rapists given how you are giving rapists more say in reproductive rights than the rape victims?
I love this argument. The left is way worse then the right with this. Rape victims account for 1% of abortions. ONE PERCENT! Yet you stand on the rape victims as if they’re you’re holy grail for justifying abortions. It’s disgusting to be Frank.
 

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This will go about as well as prohibition of alcohol, guns and drugs. The procedure will still occur. The only difference is it’ll be done underground on the black market instead of in a medical facility.
That was the argument when liberals claimed legalization would reduce the number of abortions in this country. That was a lie and not motivating now. Making murder illegal also causes most murders to take place in the dark.
 

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Extremist Republicans are going to send this country into another civil war if they keep up with trying to revert this country back to the 1800s. What's next for y'all? Gay marriage? Interracial marriage? Women voting? Bringing back segregation laws, slavery?

Y'all want to the USA to be like some ******** third world country like Iraq? Well congratulations, you just got one step closer!
If Jesus was on the United States Supreme Court. How would He rule on Roe v Wade?

Proverbs 6 : 16-17

16 there are six things that God hates, seven which are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
 
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If Jesus was on the United States Supreme Court. How would He rule on Roe v Wade?

Proverbs 6 : 16-17

16 there are six things that God hates, seven which are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Religious beliefs are not supposed to be a part of the judicial or legislative process. Separation of church and state is still a thing.
 
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Dude you need to calm down. If anyone is sending this country to a second civil war it’s the left. Assaulting people in public, burning down cities.. etc.

I love this argument. The left is way worse then the right with this. Rape victims account for 1% of abortions. ONE PERCENT! Yet you stand on the rape victims as if they’re you’re holy grail for justifying abortions. It’s disgusting to be Frank.
Sounds like to me you are supporting rapists, sad.
 

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If Jesus was on the United States Supreme Court. How would He rule on Roe v Wade?

Proverbs 6 : 16-17

16 there are six things that God hates, seven which are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Jesus, if you believe him to be who he claimed, would condemn the entirety of our system. He'd be seen as some contrarian, mislabeled as woke and jailed for his beliefs if he existed today.
 

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My example was one of, potentially, thousands that are problematic and proof perfect as to why we need term limits across the board.

But your second argument isn't as much about who is in power as much as what the role of government should play in our lives. I agree, people should have a say about things that they prefer (which is why local elections are infinitely more important than national elections), but at some point the notion of "greater good" typically circumvents that opinion. Is it better to get internet access to 800 people that want it while upsetting 200 people who don't or is it better to do the inverse?

Touchy subject for sure. The keystone pipeline was allegedly canceled for this very reason. It would certainly be nice to have access to that oil now.
I can understand the term limit argument, I'm not sure it would do what many think it would though. If politicians actually have to decide on tough issues there won't be a need for term limits.

It's not as simple as they don't want it, and if there's actually a majority that want it then the local elections will answer that question perfectly as the Govt was designed to do. A panel of unelected people deciding would only create more division.
 
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Sucks when the government makes personal decisions for you, doesn't it?
Government won't let you kill a recently born child. Seems like a matter of location. Again, if there's a heartbeat, it becomes barbaric. Or if I'm drunk and kill a pregnant mother in a car accident, I'm up on 2 counts. Which is it?
 

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If this leak is true they aren't banning abortions, theyre simply putting it back to where it should've been decided, in legislatures. Thats how Democracy works, where the people decide. The people don't have a say in Supreme Court Justices.

Cmon man.

We know if this goes through as planned, abortion will be illegal in the south and midwest. The options for abortion will be drive to the coasts or do it yourself. It’s not going to stop abortion any more so than marijuana being illegal will keep me from sparking a bowl after work.

They’re already planning a bunch of dumb **** in some states like having funerals for miscarriages or prosecuting women who don’t carry to term.

I guess I’m just a believer in “Don’t like ____? Don’t partake in ______, but don’t tell me I can’t or I must partake in _____.”

You could fill in those blanks with guns, alcohol, drugs, gay marriage, interracial marriage, abortion, being trans, hunting, religion and on and on.
 

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Religious beliefs are not supposed to be a part of the judicial or legislative process. Separation of church and state is still a thing.
LOL!!!!!! This from a guy who just condemned me to hell. Religious beliefs do belong in the legislature. The constitution does not prohibit people voting with or making laws premised upon religious convictions.
 
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If Jesus was on the United States Supreme Court. How would He rule on Roe v Wade?

Proverbs 6 : 16-17

16 there are six things that God hates, seven which are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Do you also wear clothes woven of multiple fabrics? God also forbid that. I don't see the right clamoring to make that illegal.

Convenient how y'all pick and choose what to believe in.
 

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Cmon man.

We know if this goes through as planned, abortion will be illegal in the south and midwest. The options for abortion will be drive to the coasts or do it yourself. It’s not going to stop abortion any more so than marijuana being illegal will keep me from sparking a bowl after work.

They’re already planning a bunch of dumb **** in some states like having funerals for miscarriages or prosecuting women who don’t carry to term.

I guess I’m just a believer in “Don’t like ____? Don’t partake in ______, but don’t tell me I can’t or I must partake in _____.”

You could fill in those blanks with guns, alcohol, drugs, gay marriage, interracial marriage, abortion, being trans, hunting, religion and on and on.
ok
 

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Yep. The reason they liked the court deciding it was they didn't want to do their job. One side liked it because they got what they wanted. The other side hated it because it was legislating from the bench. It'll be sore spot for decades to come but putting together legislation will help more than just relying on a crappy court decision.

Trying to wade through the muck here and missed this post. I'm worried that the fabric of "privacy" which is the backbone of Roe v. Wade could be exploited in a counter measure. To my knowledge the 14th amendment doesn't specifically mention privacy as a stated right. Alito makes it clear that being "rooted in history" is of utmost importance. Short of Roe, what are the main privacy court cases that are deeply rooted in history?

This isn't a catch all, either. This decision will have huge ramifications on a myriad of issues in the coming years.
 

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Extremist Republicans are going to send this country into another civil war if they keep up with trying to revert this country back to the 1800s. What's next for y'all? Gay marriage? Interracial marriage? Women voting? Bringing back segregation laws, slavery?

Y'all want to the USA to be like some ******** third world country like Iraq? Well congratulations, you just got one step closer!
Dumbshit Democrats is the problem, with that statement that shows your one of them.
 

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LOL!!!!!! This from a guy who just condemned me to hell. Religious beliefs do belong in the legislature. The constitution does not prohibit people voting with or making laws premised upon religious convictions.
Jewish beliefs are that personhood is not achieved until birth. Would you be okay if a group of Jewish lawmakers passed bills legalizing abortion until the moment of birth? I'm guessing you wouldn't be.

Religion should play zero part in the legislative process. A belief that life begins at conception is in direct opposition to the personal or religious beliefs of millions of Americans and it should not be forced upon them.
 
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Have always believed that abortion is one of those topics that politicians hone in on to distract us from real issues like the skyrocketing cost of living, inflation, etc. I lean conservative fiscally & liberal socially, wish republicans would be true to their "small government" word and let people make their own choices (not just talking about abortion).
I suspect people in southern states used this argument before 1860.
 

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The church of Satan is arguing that abortion is a pivotal component to their religious structure and needs to be protected as such.

If that BS somehow saves abortion rights, that will be wild. Religion and government mixing has been wildly problematic.
 
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Do you also wear clothes woven of multiple fabrics? God also forbid that. I don't see the right clamoring to make that illegal.

Convenient how y'all pick and choose what to believe in.
You pick and choose what morality you believe. And, you don’t understand the differences between ceremonial/temple rules, social rules, and moral laws.
 
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The church of Satan is arguing that abortion is a pivotal component to their religious structure and needs to be protected as such.

If that BS somehow saves abortion rights, that will be wild. Religion and government mixing has been wildly problematic.
This is probably true. Babies being sacrificed has always been a thing for those who deny God’s authority.
 
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Jewish beliefs are that personhood is not achieved until birth. Would you be okay if a group of Jewish lawmakers passed bills legalizing abortion until the moment of birth? I'm guessing you wouldn't be.

Religion should play zero part in the legislative process. A belief that life begins at conception is in direct opposition to the personal or religious beliefs of millions of Americans and it should not be forced upon them.
Yes. If people with those religious beliefs were duly elected to make the laws of the country and the laws did not promote one religion as the official government religion, I would disagree with the morality of the law, but would not call the law illegally implemented.
 
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The church of Satan is arguing that abortion is a pivotal component to their religious structure and needs to be protected as such.

If that BS somehow saves abortion rights, that will be wild. Religion and government mixing has been wildly problematic.
Ah, leftism is this country's most devoted religion. Outside of the "religion of peace" no one else gets quite as violent and off the rails for disagreeing with their dogma quite like the left's devoted following.

I also have never seen this as a religious issue. Don't think you have to be religious to be like "It's probably wrong to rip that baby's limbs off and vacuum its brains out simply cause I don't want to raise it."
 
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The church of Satan is arguing that abortion is a pivotal component to their religious structure and needs to be protected as such.

If that BS somehow saves abortion rights, that will be wild. Religion and government mixing has been wildly problematic.
Just to clarify, it's no the church of Satan but the Satanic Temple that's doing that. They're actually a pretty cool group that fights for separation of church and state. Their seven tenants are quite reasonable and we would probably benefit from trying to live by them:
  • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
  • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  • One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
  • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
  • Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
  • People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
  • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
 

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That was the argument when liberals claimed legalization would reduce the number of abortions in this country. That was a lie and not motivating now. Making murder illegal also causes most murders to take place in the dark.

I don’t view abortion as murder unless it’s in the third trimester. I also don’t believe life begins at skeet.

If this goes through as planned, the sheer number of forced births will overwhelm the foster care system more than it already is. I better see lines of pro-lifers wanting to adopt all these unwanted kids they want brought into the world. I also better not hear any bitching about these kids and their families being on government assistance because $1000 for an abortion is much cheaper than 18 years (or more) of government benefits any way you slice it. We also should probably expand government programs to help offset this influx of forced births. What good is having a child if it starves? Gonna need more SNAP and WIC benefits. Who’s going to pay for it? Taxpayers.

I won’t be surprised when they start finding infants in hefty bags in dumpsters because the state forced someone to have a baby they didn’t want/didn’t have the means to take care of.

Again, the church and state shouldn’t be involved in medical decisions. I opposed vaccine and mask mandates as well because health decisions are personal and best left to the individual and their physician.
 

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Agreed, if it's where to score the best weed go with the 20 year old, if it's about making a life altering decision the 65 year old would be the best choice.
Not true. My FIL is a degenerate gambler and a pathological liar that has almost destroyed several lives. I’m not asking his opinion on nothing.
 

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This just leaves it up to each state as it should be. I will say if someone gets raped or they know early on the child would have massive issues mentally/physically, then it should be allowed. Now the party girls banging half the fraternity with full consent, wanting to play adult should woman up and raise their child or give him/her/it (for the Dems) away to someone who wants the child. It's your choice to be dumb and spread your legs without protection so your choice to deal with the consequence.
 

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Just to clarify, it's no the church of Satan but the Satanic Temple that's doing that. They're actually a pretty cool group that fights for separation of church and state. Their seven tenants are quite reasonable and we would probably benefit from trying to live by them:
  • One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
  • The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
  • One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
  • The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
  • Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
  • People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
  • Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

Thanks for the clarification, I was well aware of their intention, didn't mean to imply they were actively seeking pregnant women to butcher for their "religious beliefs".

I'm making the same point they are. If the tenants of your religion dictate you behave a certain way, do so. Just don't force other people to do so in the process.
 
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This just leaves it up to each state as it should be. I will say if someone gets raped or they know early on the child would have massive issues mentally/physically, then it should be allowed. Now the party girls banging half the fraternity with full consent, wanting to play adult should woman up and raise their child or give him/her/it (for the Dems) away to someone who wants the child. It's your choice to be dumb and spread your legs without protection so your choice to deal with the consequence.
You mean to the foster care system where it's likely they age out of the system and are kicked to the streets when they turn 18?
 

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I had to take two shots so I could keep my job. Either close your legs or be ready to become a parent. We were given reproductive organs for a reason. When you use them there is a risk
 
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