Rose / Shoeless Joe Now Eligible for HoF
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Shoeless wasn't the ringleader of the White Sox scandal, but he went along with it. Dudes didn't make much money back then and were especially vulnerable. I used to think Rose only bet on games while he was a manager, after reading a recent biography, that wasn't true. I also used to think he would never bet on his team to lose or throw a game. I still 'mostly' stick by that.
As some have said, we've blurred the lines nowadays. Let them in, with an asterisk.
As some have said, we've blurred the lines nowadays. Let them in, with an asterisk.
Well depending on what standards you are applying, we can ax just about everyone pre Jackie Robinson. Anyone who was opposed to integration was just a filthy racist and shouldn’t be honored in anyway. Mickey Mantle was a degenerate drunk. Gaylord Perry threw spitballs, Hank Aaron was all about the greenies.
I never said they shouldn’t or couldn’t be in the Hall of Fame.
They shouldn’t be celebrated and lauded.
Personally I think his plaque should very much reference his gambling on baseball and the events that led to his ban.
You can't really judge them on their general morality IMO, only as it applies to the integrity of the game. Shoeless and Rose both violated that in their time, but now, MLB also has embraced gambling as sponsors, so.
Then we have no disagreement and I apologize for misunderstanding
Oh I think part of Rose and Jackson's legacy should be reflected in their hall of fame plaque.That is being historically accurate
Jackson should definitely be in. Yes he was on the team from the Black Sox scandal, and he supposedly knew some of his teammates were throwing the games, but he did not. In fact he had a very good series. He hit .375 w/ 6 RBI in that series, and made 0 errors.
So actually his was LESS egregious than Rose.
Marty telling it like it is there in that interview just now with Jim Day. Should have been here to see this.
And also took money knowing it was a bribe as part of a conspiracy to fix the series.
I recently read a book on Shoeless and this is true. He certainly was not one of the ring leaders but went along. They tried to not make it obvious in the series by not getting swept, etc.
The "hero" of the series for the Sox was a pitcher named Dickie Kerr who won two games. Kerr later got in trouble for pitching in offseason barnstorming events to make extra $. Kerr was Stan Musial's minor league manager when Stan got hurt and was going to take his wife and newborn son and go home. Kerr took the family into his own home and convinced Stan to give the OF a chance. In later years when the Kerrs fell on hard times, Stan bought them a new house.
At some point, MLB needs to show some real leadership and take back control of Cooperstown. They need to once and for all air out their dirty laundy with regards to the steroid era, and decide what to do with all of these players in limbo. If they want to ban them all based on suspicions, I'm fine with that. If they want to put them all in based on their performance, I'm fine with that, too. But they've gotten by for long enough by just pretending it's not an issue.
I think of Pete Rose the same way as I think of Ric Flair. Great at what they did but deep down inside they are just complete ********.
The Reds won the series 5 games to 3, so it wasn't a total lay down by the White Sox, they had to make it believable.