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How can you Bennies be so passionate yet, so ignorant about the game of basketball?
Cornbread, that was a rhetorical question.
Cornbread, that was a rhetorical question.
I'd argue this is his potential. He's got two full college seasons under his belt. There's been nothing so far that would lead anyone to think he's developing. He's just what he is at this point.
There's not a damned thing from that game that would make anyone think turf toe was why he didn't play well. He took more 3s than he's taken in all but 3 of the 100 college games he's played. Missed all but one. Drove recklessly down the lane out of control numerous times and turned the ball over. Had five total turnovers. He wasn't limping. He was still jumping as high as he always has. He played well on the defensive end. Oweh's biggest issue is this years team doesn't shoot as well as last years team did. That's it. That one fact will cause him some serious issues this year. He's going to have to drive less, while picking and choosing his spots to do it. He needs to pass and shoot 3s better to have the numbers he had last year. Either that, or really fatten up on the bad teams.
At this point you have to play CC a solid amount of minutes due to our lack of shooting ability. Just how it is until others start making more.
Yes, CC shoot over 50% in 3pt
He has chance to be around 40% 3pt shooter in the end of season
And his defense is better than many other guard options (I know his D is still not goo d enough)
He needs to play
Ok doc. Have you published this miraculous insight to turf toe? Actually, I thought he was doing pretty good considering surgery is often needed. Maybe they forgot to rub dirt on it.
Or may you are suggesting we bench every player that has a bad game. I can tell you this. He needs to be playing and get his mojo back. Without him and a few others our pseudo fans are throwing under the bus, our depth starts looking like the kiddie pool.
Shooters? You are worried about offense? Dude, we got destroyed on defense. I could care less if he through the ball out of the front door. He got hammered covering the ball several times. Looked like lateral mobility issues to me.
That guy is really funny.
Easy princess...I never said to bench him. In fact, in this thread, I've said quite the opposite. What I did say, was that you could watch his play and pretty easily discern his issues in that game ween't directly related to his turf toe. They were, however, related to pi$$ poor decision-making on offense and not being able to hold onto the ball. He still defended really well. Did the turf toe go away when the Cats transitioned back to defense?
He didn’t defend well, Eagle. On-ball he was good, but he gave up a bunch of points himself in that game. Inexcusable performance by Oweh
I'm not worried about the offense as a whole. I do worry about Oweh's role within this new team. The things that made him successful last year were in large part due to the shooters on the floor spacing the court and giving Oweh room to drive. That's not the case now...But to be fair, the pace of that game dictated an abundance of possessions. We weren't highly efficient, but still good.
Don't disagree, our defense was terrible. In large part due to Garrison not being able to defend when his man is the screener. He was awful. Our guards went under screens far too much in the first half. Again, that has nothing to do with turf toe and everything to do with a bad scheme.
Most of those plays where Garrison struggled in PnR where in the first half when we were playing drop coverage. Go watch when Moreno came in…it was the same thing. BG struggled on 2/5 PnR specifically due to assignment/communication issues with CC. BG actually did great later in the game on screen defense.
He defended how he was asked to, just like every other guard that went under perimeter screens. I think that's due in large part to the guys that guard screeners (Garrison, Moreno, Jelavich) being pretty awful at defending screeners. I remember specifically Aberdeen chasing over a screen in the first half (after we had gone second man and gotten burned by about 3 3s) and Garrison just got roasted on the dive/roll to the basket. Problem was, Garrison lost contact with his man (the screener) and somehow didn't reroute the handler with the hedge. He stayed flat and didn't take the handlers vision away.
No, I do t think he was guarding the way anyone else was guarding in this game. I think Kelsey took clear advantage of him trying to jump passes and jogging back in transition. Go rewatch the game today and you’ll see it.
I think they'd changed the coverages by then. If they were drop covering the guards should've been completely connected and not going under. Drop covering the ball screen or DHO wouldn't make sense for guards going second man.
I think you are the one needing to watch the game. The ball got past him several times. When the cardies got the ball in the paint we paid. You be you and make stuff up to fit your little space. Rest of us will deal with the reality of the fact the guy is injured, it’s a slow to heal injury and often requires surgery.
I'll take a look at the transition. I never noticed that. But man, the entire first half our guards went under a lot. Pretty sure one of the announcers referenced it on one that Chandler went under.
They did change it after about 10-15 minutes into the game. BG was better on defense than people are saying in this game. Once we stopped icing, he was doing a great job. I think he’s getting fully blamed for defensive IQ on ball screens but those weren’t always just on him. A lot of them were with him and CC, but if you notice CC also had the switch miscommunications with Moreno as well but smaller sample size
Well, if he's injured and can't perform...
But I honestly don't think that's it. And I'm not an Oweh lover by any stretch. I think he's highly overrated.
You’re not wrong there. Went under way too many times early, but that was part of the icing. Kelsey took us to the shed until we stopped icing.
That's just it...if we were icing those screens...the guards had no business going under. You drop your big and then jump out to reroute the handler to the sideline. In no world if you ice ball screens do you go under. It was my impression, given how ALL the guards were stepping under was that BG was supposed to hard hedge.
Bigs had no hedge assignment on those early. Notice how far back the bigs were. I think, in my notes, almost every defensive possession early resulted in failure in part related to the big being stationed too far back from the action. Pope had a bad gameplan. Go watch Moreno and BG possessions where they same in the first ten minutes.
I don’t think you get just how bad the defense was. It had nothing to do with scheme. It had everything to do with fundamentals. You don’t give up the baseline. You do not give up the lane. Period. You do, it’s a fundamental failure. 8th graders know this. Running after a shooter flailing your arms from 10’ away is bad fundamental defense. Oweh was having mobility issues, clearly to anyone that understand that injury. BG struggles with footwork, as do many his size. It will come, but he his to play against high level competition to improve it. Defense is bitter hard work. It’s no fun. Most players hate it. Without it, you will lose. Nothing is more important. Nothing. If you want to bash a coach, there is your weapon. Someone is failing to impress on these players, so far, that their absolute top priority is defense.
Then explain why the guards were going under. I'm not doubting you, I just need to see the drop coverage. I don't think Pope is very good defensively at all, but there's just no chance he'd drop cover AND go under with the guards. That just makes zero sense.
I think he is the only guy we have that can reliably get into the paint. The cardies taught us that that is about the only way we score is in the paint or inside out. We suck at pass and jack. And our spacing needs a lot of work. Same last year. They got it fixed. But none of this matters. Defense is the thing we must improve.
Lowe, Aberdeen, and Chandler (lesser so) are all plenty capable. I'd argue Lowe is much better at getting there and Aberdeen is equally capable.
If he is hurt, and that's the reason he played THAT bad, then he does need to sit. I just don't think that's it.
This is an excellent point. On defense, your teammates can hang you out to dry. I think BG has some footwork issues underneath, on screens and his rebounding positioning. I never saw anybody fix those on the bench. We need him at his best.
I’m not a coach. I’m just a fan. I’d recommend to go back and watch the drop coverage get killed over and over. If we weren’t doing that early, we may have beat Louisville by more than 5 points. Pope may be close to needing to fire his defensive coordinator
So, I watched the first few possessions. First screen, Garrison got caught on and didn't get into drop coverage. But you're spot on, the rest you could clearly see they were intentionally drop covering. FTR, I agree with this. Their bigs that were setting the screens are basically like Amari was last season, not a threat from the perimeter at all. Sooooooo, the million dollar question remain...Why in the holy hell would the guards go UNDER the damned screen? And, also FTR, I believe that was the scheme. Either that, or every single guard that played decided on their own to go under. That's kind of an issue.
Brother, I don’t understand it either. A lot of it makes zero sense. Hope Pope was skinning dudes in the locker room after the game.
I would say that scenario only happens if he is being difficult behind the scenes. He may not be 100% yet and that would be a reasonable explanation on his performance to date. I am a supporter of 00 but something seems off besides his toe. I would be thrilled to be wrong on that.
If you wanted to get a message across to a player this would be the perfect game to start someone else and then bring him in as the game progresses. Hopefully he gets back on track because we need him.
I’d just be rough on him and tell him play like last year or go play for the women’s team or leave
