Rules.

[Sett1997]

Was thinking about Gabes stall call loss a little deeper getting ready to go to sleep. Let me see if I understand this.
If you kick out of a potential takedown and flee anywhere on the mat except for when you are already out of bounds it's not a stall.
If you kick out and flee while completely out of bounds, that's stalling. Lmao
Freaking idiocy.

 

[Sir Pin Alot]

When you don't do anything for 6:30, you lose all the benefits of a doubt. You want to win that match, friggen shoot! Standing there like you are waiting for a bus to arrive isn't going to win you anything but a stall call.

 

[Anon1736006158]

When you don't do anything for 6:30, you lose all the benefits of a doubt. You want to win that match, friggen shoot! Standing there like you are waiting for a bus to arrive isn't going to win you anything but a stall call.

Ryder did a whole lot of nothing himself. Also...

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Was thinking about Gabes stall call loss a little deeper getting ready to go to sleep. Let me see if I understand this.
If you kick out of a potential takedown and flee anywhere on the mat except for when you are already out of bounds it's not a stall.
If you kick out and flee while completely out of bounds, that's stalling. Lmao
Freaking idiocy.

Regarding the second stall call on Arnold, this is what the 2025-26 and 2026-27 NCAA Men's Wrestling Casebook says regarding when to call stalling in a kickout situation at the OOB line:

"A.R. 5-17. Is it a mandatory stall call when a wrestler kicks out from a lower leg hold? RULING: No. A wrestler who stays in bounds while kicking out of a lower leg hold in either the neutral or down position, should not be called for stalling unless the referee believes Rule 5.7.1 (avoiding wrestling as an offensive or defensive strategy) applies. If, however, a kick out by a wrestler results in an out of bounds call being made by the referee, then the wrestler kicking out shall be called for stalling (Rule 5.7.8)" (emphasis mine)

My question is if Arnold's kickout actually pulled Ryder out of bounds? Unfortunately the footage angle doesn't show Ryder's foot that is nearest the OOB line. My assumption would be that if Arnold's kickout pulled Ryder out of bounds then a stalling call would be warranted per the above, but if Ryder stepped out of bounds on his own then no stall call would be warranted.

And for those who are not aware what the NCAA Wrestling Casebook is, it gives various and numerous (42 pages) examples of wrestling and officiating scenarios, and how to properly handle them. It is an excellent resource for referees, wrestling officials and us wrestling fans who enjoy learning the intricacies of wrestling officiating. Here is the link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/rules/mens/2025-27PRMWR_CaseBook.pdf

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Regarding the second stall call on Arnold, this is what the 2025-26 and 2026-27 NCAA Men's Wrestling Casebook says regarding when to call stalling in a kickout situation at the OOB line:

"A.R. 5-17. Is it a mandatory stall call when a wrestler kicks out from a lower leg hold? RULING: No. A wrestler who stays in bounds while kicking out of a lower leg hold in either the neutral or down position, should not be called for stalling unless the referee believes Rule 5.7.1 (avoiding wrestling as an offensive or defensive strategy) applies. If, however, a kick out by a wrestler results in an out of bounds call being made by the referee, then the wrestler kicking out shall be called for stalling (Rule 5.7.8)" (emphasis mine)

My question is if Arnold's kickout actually pulled Ryder out of bounds? Unfortunately the footage angle doesn't show Ryder's foot that is nearest the OOB line. My assumption would be that if Arnold's kickout pulled Ryder out of bounds then a stalling call would be warranted per the above, but if Ryder stepped out of bounds on his own then no stall call would be warranted.

And for those who are not aware what the NCAA Wrestling Casebook is, it gives various and numerous (42 pages) examples of wrestling and officiating scenarios, and how to properly handle them. It is an excellent resource for referees, wrestling officials and us wrestling fans who enjoy learning the intricacies of wrestling officiating. Here is the link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/rules/mens/2025-27PRMWR_CaseBook.pdf

What Gabe did wasn't stalling or fleeing. If he doesn't kick out, he might get sucked back in and taken down, and also the clock is ticking.

Gabe isn't some offensive dynamo, but he was in on a shot at the end of the 3rd (?) also and had Ryder on one leg and in trouble. If he's Ryder Block, he reaches that leg with the foot sweep he tried and this match doesn't go to OT (it's the length). Unfortunately he's short, so it's harder for him to accomplish that, especially in short time.

Gabe was the better wrestler the entire match IMO, and the stripes didn't allow him to win it.

 

[maxpain]

Regarding the second stall call on Arnold, this is what the 2025-26 and 2026-27 NCAA Men's Wrestling Casebook says regarding when to call stalling in a kickout situation at the OOB line:

"A.R. 5-17. Is it a mandatory stall call when a wrestler kicks out from a lower leg hold? RULING: No. A wrestler who stays in bounds while kicking out of a lower leg hold in either the neutral or down position, should not be called for stalling unless the referee believes Rule 5.7.1 (avoiding wrestling as an offensive or defensive strategy) applies. If, however, a kick out by a wrestler results in an out of bounds call being made by the referee, then the wrestler kicking out shall be called for stalling (Rule 5.7.8)" (emphasis mine)

My question is if Arnold's kickout actually pulled Ryder out of bounds? Unfortunately the footage angle doesn't show Ryder's foot that is nearest the OOB line. My assumption would be that if Arnold's kickout pulled Ryder out of bounds then a stalling call would be warranted per the above, but if Ryder stepped out of bounds on his own then no stall call would be warranted.

And for those who are not aware what the NCAA Wrestling Casebook is, it gives various and numerous (42 pages) examples of wrestling and officiating scenarios, and how to properly handle them. It is an excellent resource for referees, wrestling officials and us wrestling fans who enjoy learning the intricacies of wrestling officiating. Here is the link: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/rules/mens/2025-27PRMWR_CaseBook.pdf

Per the rulebook it was not a stall since they already went out of bounds before the last kick out. As posted in the picture above

 

[lisa morales]

Arnold is only 5'6"?

 

[IRON HAWK]

WAS a BS call 100% that is the bottom line!!!

 

[Libertylover]

WAS a BS call 100% that is the bottom line!!!

Even Willie said that ref has to be a psychopath to not call that a takedown for Gabe, and the other guy who hosts the podcast said Ryder was definitely out of bounds when he began his shot and Gabe was on the edge of the stage after kicking out of the 1st shot. If he wouldn’t have dropped back down to defend the second shot, he would’ve been knocked off the stage. Even with the first shot, Gabe was hunkered down fighting his hands on his leg instead of trying to drag him out of bounds. He got a hand loose enough to quick turn and pull his leg out. That whole sequence was insane. The only person who came out and said that was a great stall call was Taylor. That should be Gabe’s 3 rd top ten 184 win in the last 3 weeks. Hopefully when he’s back down to 174 next year, these refs still don’t have it out for him.