RUMORS circulating that Cael may be fired soon
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Its too bad you guys were not a neighboring state... we could handle this on a bridge.
Clever name so are you telling us you ride yourself?
But seriously it is all fun & games right?
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Jay, we all know what you really ride.You must be a lot of fun at parties.
Umm… a carbon road bike, pervert.
Is it just me, or does most everyone think a person with the handle "InTheCircle" would know about these things?
That guy makes some of the best fishing rods in the world.
Thank me later fisherman w a nice donation to HWC
Good to see the ‘deflect’ part of the playbook still works. The deny, diminish, rationalize parts should follow. Throw in some whataboutism and they should have a statue put up soon
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I don't know if anybody else has added to it but Mark Perry left in 2020. The Safesport thing was during his tenure at Sunkist and was a year or two ago. The ladies followed him there in 2020.
Not trying to throw anything Iowa under the bus, but didn’t the “questionable” relationship start at Iowa around the time I listed?
That's not the story I remember. Happened at ASU a couple years after he left Iowa. I guess it's possible it started at Iowa, but it certainly didn't become known until afterwards.
I know it all came out at ASU, but I thought a dad of one of the girls was posting that it went back all the way to Iowa and may have even been why that whole part of the HWC blew up. Mind you, at the time, I was never truly against Perry, even though I do know the "rules". But, my parents were a work area relationship and, if 2 fully consenting adults want to enter into a relationship, so be it. The issue to me was whether or not that relationship was abused and ever used to cause a problem for the wrestlers and that was always a he said, she said situation...
With that said, I was mainly just responding to the way off timeline of Turk going with 15 to 20 years. Shrink my 5-6 to a couple of years and that gap is daunting...
My mentioning of Mark Perry wasn't whataboutism. I wasn't saying "But Mark Perry did it, so..." That'd be whataboutism.
I was simply pointing out no formal announcement(s) of investigation(s) occurred, I can't find any record of an investigation's result, and I read no demand for either an announcement of an investigation or public findings report back then. So I would expect the same now.
It came to light on these boards June 2023, 2-ish years ago, is all. The fact that it may've occurred much sooner says everything.
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It may have but don't think it had anything to do with any of the former Iowa girls.
I get it. I hate "he said, she said" situations. I was just going off of memory and honestly don't remember who the dad was that was posting. I just remember that he did and it definitely threw shade at his time at Iowa. Pretty sure thematforums went into it pretty hard at the time...
I was responding only to posters asking for investigation announcements and contrasting these requests with prior similar circumstances. So really, I wasn't deflecting. I was providing rationale for my expectations.
The history of how that institution has dealt with issues previously provides some rationale as well. Call it what you want I will still classify it as a deflection…… based on my rationale above
With Mark there was nothing illegal, it was a consensual relationship, albeit, an affair. The issue was whether his relationship carried special treatment for one of his athletes at the expense of the others. Nothing unwanted happened with him.
No argument from me. It's an HR violation that I don't really agree with. It could only be more than that if the relationship was used to cause harm in the work place or worse. None of which seemed to have happened. I pretty much defended Mark back then and my stance hasn't changed.
I was mainly just cleaning up the very inaccurate 15-20 years ago time frame...
Glad the Mark Perry situation is getting hashed out. Deflection mission completed. Kudos to the PSU posters. They have mastered their craft. Now carl……..
It really wasn't a successful deflection. If anything, it shows how vastly different both situations were/are. Even if it did happen at Iowa, it obviously continued multiple years at ASU, without an issue, which pretty much exonerates Iowa from any culpability.
Meanwhile, PSU is 100% tied to what happens with Carter. They are as invested in this as it gets. With their past, if he truly goes down, the wrestling team staff, at the very least, almost certainly gets blown up. IF......
My initial comment I was trying to address how they went from talking about Cael getting fired to Mark Perry, an Iowa wrestler from 20 years ago.
And here we ******* are!
With the fear of getting into a back and forth with you..................
We will agree to disagree on whether it was a successful deflection. In my mind it is the quintessential deflection. Read the thread up to post #112. The vast majority about the situation at psu and what the status is. #113 Perry is introduced into the thread. Read the rest of the thread....far less about the situation at psu and more about Perry and that situation.
'What it shows' about the two situations is immaterial and the fact that we have fallen into talking about two situations instead of just the one they want to avoid is.........
"Deflection is a defense mechanism characterized by redirecting a conversation away from a challenging topic or issue to something less emotionally charged"
This thread is the definition of deflection. I know they are professionals at this and it may be undetectable to the naked eye but if you look at it honestly you will see it. I know that may require you admitting something you never seem to do but you are also very intelligent and know that it is the case.
No need for any fear. I get what you are saying. I just don't think ANYONE is truly focused on Mark Perry' situation over Carter's. Everything that can be said about the Carter situation pretty much has been said, for now. It is pretty much a wait and see until, and if, something new develops.
Talking about Mark Perry's situation didn't do anything to change the opinion of anyone with a brain that works. It's very apparent that, if any of it is true, Carter's situation puts both he and PSU in a very precarious position...
No, but it's what the psu fanboys do anytime something negative gets brought up about the choir boy and his dirty program.
I get it. I just don't think it was successful one little bit. A truly successful "deflection" gets you completely out of sight, out of mind. Talking about Mark Perry most certainly didn't accomplish that in the slightest.
PSU absolutely has a past that can't be ignored. Everyone in wrestling outside of Happy Valley will be eagerly awaiting new information and will almost certainly be asking for updates if they don't see any. There is NO "deflection" that is going to stop that in any way...
Clearly it was successful. We have you saying it wasn’t and everyone else saying why are we talking about Mark Perry. Even me typing this is an example of that deflection working, and your inevitable response will be another example.
To get this thread back on track, I say fire Cael, end the wrestling team, and poo poo any mention of former psu wrestlers. Except the ones we like, such as Jason Nolf, but his name must only be mentioned in a conversation about how close he was to being a Hawk.
Post #113 to #195 have not been about the psu situation........deflection complete.....
Quite frankly they are very fortunate this happened outside of the regular class schedule. The school newspaper or whatever they generate now would have gotten a hold of it and often they are not overtly subservient to the athletics programs. Or at the very least not afraid to take it all on. Some young journalist may want to make a name for him/herself here?
Is a d bag always has been. He has always been a tool. Good wrestler bad person. I hope he goes away. Cael will skate on anything associated with this. Championships tend to make people over look the elephant in the room.