So, you, an anonymous message board poster, know more about our needs in terms of roster construction than our head coach who literally does this for a living? Yeah, ok.
Rylan Griffen Visit Coming
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I like signing power conference transfers. We know what we are getting more than the guessing game of mid majors based on their inflated stats against cupcakes.
I agree. We need someone that is automatic from 3 . Last year we had Brea and JR next to Butler, sometime all 3 of them on the floor. We need two more shooters . I don’t care if they play 2 or 3 that’s interchangeable based on match ups.
Right now our big hole is the outside shooting.
Like Griffen .. the few times I saw KU, I wondered why he wasn't getting more run ..
As far leaving Bama, I'm thinking PT was part of it .. adding Youngblood and didn't see it mentioned above but they had that hot-shot freshman Holloway coming in as well
Pope played for RP who had a lot of players who got minutes ..subsequently, not a short rotation coach
As far leaving Bama, I'm thinking PT was part of it .. adding Youngblood and didn't see it mentioned above but they had that hot-shot freshman Holloway coming in as well
Pope played for RP who had a lot of players who got minutes ..subsequently, not a short rotation coach
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Im following the coach and his actions. He’s obviously not satisfied with our back court to lay 2 million on Wilkerson. Now there are 3 players better. Doubt he’s gonna change tactics. He didn’t land his top pg target. He wants a better back court all signs point toSo, you, an anonymous message board poster, know more about our needs in terms of roster construction than our head coach who literally does this for a living? Yeah, ok.
Some tend to forget we have some pretty good shooters on the team and coming in.
Dioubate shot 46% from 3 at Bama this past season.
Williams shot 41% from 3 this last year as a Freshman.
Oweh shot a respectable 36% from 3 since coming here.
Chandler shot 35% as a Freshman. He ended the season shooting 54% (7-13) in the 5 SEC and NCAA tournament games combined.
Johnson shot 36% from 3 this last season at OTE.
Jelavic is being touted as a shooter. He shot 32% from 3. I think he will shoot better once he becomes part of a system and shoots less shots. His efficiency will improve.
Lowe shot 36% from 3 as a Freshman, on a better team than he played on this past year. I think his efficiency will improve.
Garrison shoots it well for a big man. 30% from 3 from your 5 spot isn’t bad.
Perry and Noah are both snipers, they just need some seasoning.
That’s 10 with respectable numbers. 8 of which will be in the normal rotation.
I think one more good shooter can do the trick.
We may not have a dead eye sniper like Brea, but should have enough shooters to spread the floor and get good looks.
I’d rather have 3 or 4 good shooters on the floor than to have one great one. One good defender can take away one great shooter. It takes a whole team of good defenders to beat a team with a bunch of good shooters.
MD just had 12 total 3's all season.
I don’t think it’s dissatisfaction with his backcourt, so much as finding someone who can fill a defined role. We want to sign one more sharpshooter wing who can make shots at a high efficiency. That isn’t to say the current backcourt guys don’t fill their own roles. Wilkerson would have been about as good as you can get at filling that role, but I’m still not certain he would have started. Don’t forget the guy we had to fill that role last year, Koby Brea, was not a starter. I think we are one sharpshooter and maybe a depth point guard from having a complete roster.
Exactly.
But as we get closer to the portal deadline, the more money these high level guys are going to try to squeeze out of their potential schools. Demand is driving up the price.
Better hope all this potential pans out or we are screwed. Currently have a ton of optimism about this person will improve, step up, surprise us. I just hope the analytics are correct.
True. He took 26 and made 12. He made almost half of the shots he took from 3. He is very efficient. He doesn’t jack up 3’s. He didn’t have to, because he played on a good team. He’ll probably shoot a few more for us, but I still think he takes good shots. He isn’t going to let it fly like Brea or anything.
Bargains are where Pope excels. Id much rather get someone else, but this might be the best we can do under the circumstances.
Personally, I like the idea. Veteran presence, final 4 experience, has played on the biggest stages, known expectations playing for a blue blood. Athletic enough and can defend. We could do a lot worse. Don't see many, if any, negatives taking him.
He doesn’t. I think he’s compared more to Jaxson IMO.
He does a great job with the strategy he is employing. I just wonder if we pay too many guys for the sake of depth. We are potentially gonna have to pay 13/14 guys.
Thats too many. If we were paying 11, a SG would be no problem.
And the deep rotation is also making guys hesitant who want to play 30 mins.
Yep. I think that’s what Pope is looking for, someone to fill that Robinson role.
I think Williams or Chandler is going to fill that Brea role. With better defense.
Here is how I see it:
PG Lowe replaces Butler.
SG Oweh returns.
SF Portal guy replaces Robinson.
PF Dioubate replaces Carr.
C Quaintance replaces Williams.
PG Johnson replaces Kriisa.
SG Chandler returns.
SF Williams replaces Brea.
PF Jelavic replaces Almonor.
C Garrison returns.
G Perry returns.
F Noah returns.
C Moreno is bonus.
You mean the guy who was a captain on one of the greatest college basketball teams ever and played in the NBA lol. Yeah he doesn't know anything right? Where do these people come from.So, you, an anonymous message board poster, know more about our needs in terms of roster construction than our head coach who literally does this for a living? Yeah, ok.
Personally he was a victim of Self’s favoritism for play Harris and Adam’s too much which killed spacing and allowed defenders to double/triple the post and face guard the other two guards since the defense didn’t have to guard the former. This favoritism leaving more talent potential on the bench killed team chemistry.
If we can snag Griffen, it’s a no brainer! As many others have stated in this thread, he’s a good shooter who was used poorly by Self!
I think that is where Pitono has really influenced Pope. Up tempo offense and to do that you need a good deep bench to keep guys fresh. I remember when our opponents were gassed at the 7 minute mark in the second half. Obviously the full court press helped but still Pope wants to play fast.
Also important not to have a drop off when the second wave comes in. It was the second group that sparked Florida's comeback this year.
A very underrated player that would fit perfect into the 2/3 position is Nick Dorn from Elon. 6-7 and was only a sophomore last year. Averaged 15/4. Was a 36% 3FG shooter,,,, on 8.4 attempts per game, hitting 3. He lite up UNC and Notre Dame. had 17/5 @ UNC going 5/10 from 3, 24/6 against ND, going 5/6 from 3. Had 29 6/10 from 3 v/s Marshall. Is a 81% free throw shooter.
Pope doesn’t want guys who feel they have to play 30 minutes. This is another “filter” that Pope is using to find the right program guys. Pope is going to beat people with depth. That’s why, even when fans were getting frustrated and begging him to shorten the rotation, he stuck to his guns and said he needs to widen the rotation. If you want depth, you have to build it. Then, if you can dominate with that depth, guys will want to be a part of that program. It’s a giant billboard that says, “Come here if you want to be a part of something bigger than you.” Some guys will be attracted to that and some won’t. The challenge for fans is relearning what it means to “miss” on a guy. I don’t think Pope sees any of them as misses —- I think he sees them as filtered out.
I saw him play a lot for Alabama last year and the year before. I would say he’s solid, and we can do a lot worse, but we could probably also do better.
He was really good at catch and shoot 3s last year, although a little less so this year at Kansas, and is capable of going off and hitting them in bunches in certain games. We certainly could use that. His ball handling isn’t anything too special for a guard, and he isn’t the type of guy who can create his own shot, which I honestly wish we had a little more of. He doesn’t stand out as a matador on defense, but despite looking pretty athletic, isn’t great at it either. Since several people asked, there weren’t any rumored problems with him at Bama, and it’s believed that he simply went to Kansas for money.
I wouldn’t be upset if we get him, but he definitely does seem like a bit of a consolation prize compared to some of the other players we’ve reportedly looked at who play a similar position.
He was really good at catch and shoot 3s last year, although a little less so this year at Kansas, and is capable of going off and hitting them in bunches in certain games. We certainly could use that. His ball handling isn’t anything too special for a guard, and he isn’t the type of guy who can create his own shot, which I honestly wish we had a little more of. He doesn’t stand out as a matador on defense, but despite looking pretty athletic, isn’t great at it either. Since several people asked, there weren’t any rumored problems with him at Bama, and it’s believed that he simply went to Kansas for money.
I wouldn’t be upset if we get him, but he definitely does seem like a bit of a consolation prize compared to some of the other players we’ve reportedly looked at who play a similar position.
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I really hope Pope doesn’t see roster building in terms of roles. We need well rounded basketball players. Everyone needs to defend, most guys need to be able to pass, and everyone should be able to shoot a little bit.
I agree. That is definitely Popes strategy.
Whether it bears fruit remains to be seen.
I like good depth as well, just wondering if he is taking it a few guys too far for the sake of filtering an elite guy? Hard to find minutes for 13.
He had almost as many three-point attempts as you do RR accounts.
Going by your description, there does seem to be better options available, and some equal, but from smaller schools. Agree, that there needs to be several that can create their own shots. Don't really see that ability in much of anyone, except may the transfer from Pitt, who I have never seen play. Even if someone can create an open jump shot, doesn't have to be a layup