Rylan Griffen Visit Coming
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Lots of doom and gloom in here.
I’m definitely on Rupp Rsfters!
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I’m definitely on Rupp Rsfters!
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Watkins not a scorer ? he averaged OVER 18 points per game. 18.4 to be exact. What is your interpretation of a scorer ? 25 ? 30 ? per game ? Guess what, NOBODY IS COLLEGE AVERAGED THAT. The ppg leader was Eric Dixon , Villanova at 23.3 per game. Trent Mclaughlin Northern Arizona 2nd at 22.1, Haggerty, 3rd at 21.7. ONLY 20 NCAA players averaged 20+ points per game, most from small conferences.
Do some actual research before making outlandish statements.
Cooper Flagg 19.2
Treysen eaglestaff 18.9 (played on a ****** team and was a gun)
Johni Brohome 18.6
Mark Sears 18.6
Walter Clayton 18.3 (less than Watkins)
JT Toppin 18.2
Chaz Lanier 18.0
But yeah, Watkins is not a scorer. Good grief, some of you are clueless and just post before actually knowing what you are talking about. Think really hard before hitting "post reply". it would save me a lot of time. Eaglestaff a shooter ? he shot 36% from 3, 47% from 2. Doesn't rebound or share the ball a lick. care average 2.5 rebounds and 1.8 assist playing in a god awful conference against church league guys (no offense to church leagues). He gets ABUSED on defense. He i nothing more than a one man show, gun. Watkins, similar size (6-7) averages 5.8 rebounds and 2.5 assist. Playing against a hell of a lot better players.
Watkins had :
19/7/2/1/1 against Florida
24/6/3/2 against NC State
25/3/3/1/1 against Louisville (game 1) / 23/4/3 @ Louisville
26/8 against Pitt
26 against UNC
21/8/3 2 Duke
18/8/5 @ Virginia
20/8/5 with 2 blocks against SMU
16/11/3/2 against Syracuse.
Yes Eaglestaff scored 40 on Alabama, but Alabama was not good on defense and he shot the ball 30 times. THIRTY. He also had 4 to's.
I wonder what is up with Watkins? Supposedly we are in his final 3 but you don't hear much and no talk of a visit. I would really like to have him.
He shot the ball THIRTY times against Alabama. He also had 4 to's, doesn't rebound a lick, doesn't get assist. Bama was not exactly a stellar defensive team, they leaked points to opposing teams. Eaglestaff is nothing more than a gun and doesn't give you anything else. Black hole on offense when he gets the ball. he is not giving it back.
This post was so moronic I had to address it again. "Watkins is not a scorer" . He averaged .5 point less than Eaglestaff. So the half of a point Eaglestaff averaged makes him a scorer and Watkins not ? Keep in mind Eaglestaff other than ONE game, played against terrible players to pad his stats, was the only player worth a **** on his team (somebody has to shoot and score). Hell he should have averaged 30+ based on the number of times he shoots it and the competition he played against. Watkins is a scorer, and complete 2 way player, what he is not, is a GUN.
Why didn't Eaglestaff end up somewhere better than SC ? Now he is heavily connected to Virginia and West Virginia. Sounds like he is scared of the big stage.
Watkins is #7 in portal rankings.
7. G/F Jamir Watkins
Transferring from: Florida State
The scout: Physical 6-7 wing who averaged 18+ points and brings positional versatility. Hit a career-high 53 3-pointers and drew tons of fouls off the bounce. He's a mature, two-way difference-maker.
Your boy, (they know who is the better talent)
72. G/F Treysen Eaglestaff
Transferring from: North Dakota
The scout: Eaglestaff carried a heavy shot-making load and still delivered big nights, including 40 against Alabama. The 6-6 wing has deep range and shot-creation ability, now stepping into a better ecosystem.
Case closed. Take the L and go home, I do not need to show you more. You are simply WRONG.
Maybe Griffin will be the guy, but Pope went after Wilkerson and Pierre first. Maybe a couple others. Looking at Watkins now.
Griffin has been in the portal since March. Must be reasons for all this.
Griffin has been in the portal since March. Must be reasons for all this.
SGA only made 23 when he played here and he is a very good 3 point shooter
Wow, must be nice to be holier than thou, and no one's opinion matters but yours
What was Watkins 3 point % since you are all knowing? Eaglestaff had to be a gun for his team to even be competitive, but guess that fact escaped your brilliant mind. Alabama may not be a stellar defensive team, but how many other guns put up 40 against them?
Anyone who runs or owns a business knows that financial oversight and contract management is a specialized field and that those tasks are time consuming.
A general manager would manage the programs finances and be involved in contract negotiations. With college sports now mirroring professional sports you need someone to manage the NIL, deals with players in the portal and any future salary cap. The GM would also network to raise NIL funds.
I think we would rather Pope focus his energy and time on recruiting and coaching versus having to divide his time to also assume a CFO type role.
A general manager would manage the programs finances and be involved in contract negotiations. With college sports now mirroring professional sports you need someone to manage the NIL, deals with players in the portal and any future salary cap. The GM would also network to raise NIL funds.
I think we would rather Pope focus his energy and time on recruiting and coaching versus having to divide his time to also assume a CFO type role.
Once again, he shot 30 (THIRTY) (3-0) times to get the 40 points. The facts are obvious (not my opinion), and remain. YOU said Watkins wasn't a scorer, and he averaged .5 points less than Eaglestaff (who you say is), all while Watkins played against FAR better competition and around better players than Eaglestaff and still only averaged a half point less. Why do you think one player is ranked #7 in the portal and the other #72 ? So it is not MY opinion, it is most people with a brain, opinion. Not like I am alone on an island stating these facts.
To answer your question, Watkins 3FG% is 32, Eaglestaff's is a whopping 36%. BUT, Watkins rebounds and defends, Eaglestaff does not.
Also :
Watkins averaged 7.7 free throws per game, was #12 in the nation fouls drawn per game.
Watkins took 13 shots per game, Eaglestaff took 16.
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So even though Eaglestaff was a gun, meaning he took bad shots, and was double teamed, and was the guy that opposing coaches designed their defensive game plan around, he still shot a better %. Again, because Eaglestaff was the only hope of winning games, he was probably told not to get into foul trouble. So all of your dissertation about how big a gun Eaglestaff was, he only took a measly 3 shots more per game. Now do you not think Eaglestaff would shoot a better %, taking better shots in Pope’s offense where he is not the main target? Since pope wants to shoot 35 3's per game, Eaglestaff would fit in just fine and would improve his defense and assists, plus he would have 2 years left
UK has all the money available that is needed. And more.
We will not lose a player over money. We haven’t and we won’t.
If we need to add anything to this team it’s rebounding.
The team running Pope’s system is going to score. They will average 85 points per game just showing up.
Our glaring weakness is rebounding. We have brought in a monster on the boards. But when will he play?
We were too easy to plan for last season.
Not in figuring out Pope’s system. It’s quite complicated and too many options to cover them all. That’s why it will put up points.
But the plan to play us last season was get second chance points and don’t allow UK to get second chance points.
Easier said than done sometimes. But that was the key. Defensive rebounding especially. Teams killed us on the offensive glass.
We don’t play a disruptive defense. We play a containment defense.
That alone makes rebounding more important.
Pope hasn’t conferred with me. But if he did I would tell him to bring in a big, athletic proven rebounder.
We will not lose a player over money. We haven’t and we won’t.
If we need to add anything to this team it’s rebounding.
The team running Pope’s system is going to score. They will average 85 points per game just showing up.
Our glaring weakness is rebounding. We have brought in a monster on the boards. But when will he play?
We were too easy to plan for last season.
Not in figuring out Pope’s system. It’s quite complicated and too many options to cover them all. That’s why it will put up points.
But the plan to play us last season was get second chance points and don’t allow UK to get second chance points.
Easier said than done sometimes. But that was the key. Defensive rebounding especially. Teams killed us on the offensive glass.
We don’t play a disruptive defense. We play a containment defense.
That alone makes rebounding more important.
Pope hasn’t conferred with me. But if he did I would tell him to bring in a big, athletic proven rebounder.
Played against church league caliber players. One is ranked #7 the other #72 by the EXPERTS. Case still closed. Against the caliber of competition he played against, he should have averaged 30.
Funny, you haven't debated my Watkins rebounds, defends, creates, has a better all around game, 2 way player part of my reasoning. BECAUSE YOU CAN"T debate it / make up stuff to back it. It was bad saying one is NOT a scorer while you say the other player is, but they only averaged a half point different ? Can you state your logic of how one is a scorer, the other not ??? I am curious.
Nah, no fun in that, I will do it for you. You are basing it off of ONE thing and ONE thing only, He shoots a ton of 3's. He is good at that, but playing against top rated defenses, how is he gonna get that shoot off, if not, how will he score ? How will he defend 4/5 star elite athletes compared to guarding 1/2 star ones ????????
I truly wish posters would STOP looking at the players 3FG% and how many a game they make, to determine if they should come to UK. He can't guard a fence post, score 12/13 at UK, give up 18-20. Net NEGATIVE.
Funny, you haven't debated my Watkins rebounds, defends, creates, has a better all around game, 2 way player part of my reasoning. BECAUSE YOU CAN"T debate it / make up stuff to back it. It was bad saying one is NOT a scorer while you say the other player is, but they only averaged a half point different ? Can you state your logic of how one is a scorer, the other not ??? I am curious.
Nah, no fun in that, I will do it for you. You are basing it off of ONE thing and ONE thing only, He shoots a ton of 3's. He is good at that, but playing against top rated defenses, how is he gonna get that shoot off, if not, how will he score ? How will he defend 4/5 star elite athletes compared to guarding 1/2 star ones ????????
I truly wish posters would STOP looking at the players 3FG% and how many a game they make, to determine if they should come to UK. He can't guard a fence post, score 12/13 at UK, give up 18-20. Net NEGATIVE.
Like a Jamir Watkins. That exactly why the Dioubate signing was so critical. Rebounding and defense. He averaged 6 rebounds in 16 minutes per game. If he only plays 24 minutes per game this year, that equates to 9 boards per game. And from a non center position. Throw in Cam Williams 5 per game from a wing / guard position, that is 2 good ones. Add JQ and the 3/4/5 are covered as far as rebounding / defense is concerned. Jaland Lowe at the PG position averaged over 4 rebounds per game. UK is better than you think in the rebounding department, just need a little more. Leaps and bounds better than last years team rebounding and defensive wise. That is not debatable.
I agree with what you are saying, though I think it can be summed up by saying our weakness was athleticism. Our offensive scheme mitigated most of this, hence why we still scored plenty. But scheme doesn't help you as much on defense and rebounding. Some teams were just faster and stronger than us. Seems to me Pope is aware of this and that's why he's focusing on getting some more athletic players this time around as opposed to just pure shooters.
Hope we are more disruptive this year, considering the speed of Lowe, and the back line protection from JQ and MD.
Suspect we will see a lot of the MD/Garrison and Jelavic/JQ combos to spread our rebounding strength. Could go to MD/JQ if we need a defensive and rebounding infusion.
Not sure it’s in the cards to add another strong rebounder - hard to see where he would fit. Think both Kam and Noah can be fair rebounders from the 3. Oweh is ok for a 3, pretty good for a 2.
So far, I think we have upgraded the defense. I’m not sure about rebounding.
I feel like offense is going to take a little bit of a hit, but something has to give.
I’d rather see Pope having to coach them up on offense than on defense again.
Outside shooting could possibly take a hit but I think we will be much more versatile.
You are basing everything on defense. With Eaglestaff being the only scoring threat, don't you think his coach probably told him not to get into foul trouble? Or is that too simple of a theory for you to grasp? Everyone loved brea, Robinson and Alomar, because of their scoring. They didn't rebound or play defense either. Did you dog them like you are Eaglestaff?
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Noah is more than "fair" as a rebounder for his size and the SF position.
He has a rebounding rate of 9.3%, which is the same as Kevin Knox.
Keldon Johnson was at 11.3% and MKG at 14%, for a couple of comparison points.
I would call those fair/good/elite.
You want to say he is good for his height, ok. But he isn’t anything special as a rebounder playing at the 3, and he probably isn’t quick enough to play the 2.
I like his game though. Wouldn’t be surprised if he improves on that rate.
I can’t see paying more than 2 million for a guy unless you know you’re getting someone like AD, Wall, Flagg etc
I take that as great news as we usually get guys that are never talked about or rumored to commit in the Pope era.
He seems to have a knack for important rebounds or ones that lead to a putback.
He’s a nice player. Has a “nose for the ball” and we all like him. He just hasn’t been elite at rebounding. I think maybe he’s surprised some people with the rebounds he’s grabbed.
Not wanting to argue about it. Seems like the kind of kid who will get better and better. I think his “want to” stood out on that roster last year. Hard to measure that.
May have been waiting for UK to reach out. I had forgotten he was Cason Wallace’s high school teammate.
griffin visiting on Tuesday should tell you he is the priority as of right now
It just seems like we would have better options out there but at this point I guess you take what you can get.
Not going to get much from bourbon industry they are struggling right now.
Who are the better options? That make sense and go with popes roster building strategy?
Well many better players out there but guess Uk can't pay the asking price which I understand. I was just hoping to get a stud shooting guard.
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I watched his transfer portal highlights from Alabama. I’m not usually a fan of comparing recruits to previous Kentucky players, but his style of play does very much resemble that of Jaxson Robinson.
Does anyone remember watching him at Alabama? How good/impactful was he then?
Does anyone remember watching him at Alabama? How good/impactful was he then?
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I think you gotta look at fit and what the player is offering. Watkins is good, but he can’t shoot. Sarr is good, but if that price tags reaches 4 mil I wouldn’t want my team paying that. Griffin isn’t the best option, but he is good and does fit what this team needs. I also like dorn from Elon, but I don’t think Kentucky is even considering him