sanctuary cities = votes for dems

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http://ijr.com/2015/07/364099-tragi...s-rethinking-sanctuary-cities-across-country/







Incredibly, there are over 300 sanctuary cities in the United States that ignore federal law when it comes to prosecuting illegal immigrants.
 

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http://dailysignal.com/2015/10/20/sanctuary-cities-bill-blocked-in-senate/
October 20, 2015
Senate Democrats blocked legislation that would punish “sanctuary cities” in a 54-45 vote Tuesday afternoon.

The bill, called the Stop Sanctuary Policies and Protect Americans Act, needed to overcome a 60-vote threshold. It would withhold certain federal funding from states or cities that refuse to comply with requests from federal immigration officials to turn over immigrants who are in the country illegally.



Sen. David Vitter, R-La., introduced the legislation, which includes a provision known as Kate’s Law, named after 32-year-old Kate Steinle, who was fatally shot in San Francisco on July 1. The bill would impose a mandatory minimum jail sentence of five years for illegal immigrants who are convicted of re-entering the United States after being convicted of an aggravated felony or have three strikes for trying to enter the country illegally.

“It’s maddening that the Democrats are encouraging sanctuary cities like New Orleans that refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement and let dangerous criminal illegals free,” Vitter said in a statement after the bill failed.

Vitter has been pushing to defund sanctuary cities since 2007, when he served as chairman of the Border Security Caucus.

Sanctuary policies vary from state to state, but they generally prevent local authorities from cooperating with federal immigration officers, allowing those localities to protect undocumented immigrants from deportation. There are currently 340 sanctuary cities in the United States, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.

The issue of sanctuary cities gained national attention when Steinle was killed this summer by Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, an illegal immigrant who had seven prior felony convictions in the U.S. and had been deported to Mexico five separate times. He was released from a San Francisco jail in April under a city law barring the jail’s deputies from informing U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement of his release, despite the agency’s previous notification request.

Opponents of the Stop Sanctuary Policies and Protect Americans Act question the taxpayer cost of implementing mandatory minimums at a time when Congress is working to reform the criminal justice system. Some, including Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., even mocked the legislation, calling it the “Donald Trump Act.”

“This Donald Trump Act was designed to demonize immigrants and spread the myth that they are criminals and threats to the public,” Reid said on Monday.

During his bid for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination, Trump highlighted Steinle’s death as an example of why the country needs stricter immigration policies.

In July, the White House issued a veto threat on similar legislation that passed in the House, saying the measure “undermines current administration efforts to remove the most dangerous convicted criminals.”

Earlier this month, the Center for Immigration Studies, an organization that supports reduced immigration, identified the 340 cities, counties, and states that are considered sanctuary locations.

A government report commissioned for Congress by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement found that sanctuary cities released more than 9,000 illegal immigrants whom federal authorities were seeking to deport between Jan. 1 and Sept. 30, 2014. As of last year, 69 percent of those were still at large in the United States.

Of those still at large, 1,377 had another criminal arrest that resulted in the detainer. Of the 6,460 criminal aliens who were still at large during the time period studied, 3,802 (58 percent) had prior felonies or violent misdemeanors.
 

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/6/democrats-vote-defend-sanctuary-cities/

Senate Democrats launched filibusters Wednesday to protect sanctuary cities and to shield repeat illegal immigrants from mandatory minimum five-year prison sentences, saying Republican lawmakers were following the lead of Donald Trump in attacking immigrants.

The votes were taken slightly more than a year after the slaying of Kate Steinle, whose death at the hands of an illegal immigrant shielded by San Francisco’s sanctuary policy ignited a fierce debate over localities’ laws that limit or ban police from turning over immigrants to federal deportation officers.

Steinle’s death on July 1, 2015, drew attention to victims of illegal immigrant crime — a part of the debate that is often overlooked.

But Democrats said the Republicans’ solutions — stricter penalties on repeat illegal immigrants and punishing cities and counties for shielding illegal immigrants — were wrong.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, said incarcerating illegal immigrants who repeatedly sneak into the U.S. after deportations would end up overcrowding prisons and cost Americans billions of dollars.

“Republicans are legislating Donald Trump’s vision that immigrants and Latinos are criminals and threats to the public,” Mr. Reid said.
 

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Here's How Sanctuary Cities Work, and Why Democrats Are Wrong To Keep Protecting Them
http://ijr.com/opinion/2015/10/2493...ns-conservatives-distrust-immigration-reform/

On Tuesday, Democrats in the Senate filibustered a bill that would have placed new burdens on cities that choose to play by their own immigration rules, or as we call them in political slang terms, sanctuary cities.

Democrats claim they are motivated to “fix a broken immigration system.” Martin O'Malley even used that language to defend sanctuary cities. But, to a hefty majority of Americans, sanctuary cities are a glaring symptom of said system, providing jurisdictions the power to scrupulously select when to cooperate with drained immigration authorities who are already struggling to enforce the law.

Here is a sanctuary city's basic modus operandi: if local law enforcement, in an encounter with an illegal alien, becomes aware of their immigration status, under certain circumstances they will not notify Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE); or, if they do, and ICE asks the local jail to hold them for 48 hours so they can be picked up, under certain circumstances they will not honor the request (that request is called a “detainer”).

This practice is generally legal. It's also much more complicated than the above explanation, partially thanks to the bewildering quilt of about 340 city, state, and county jurisdictions which each follow their own set of immigration rules. Tucson, Arizona, for example, will only cooperate with ICE if they pledge to pay for the cost of detainment. Berkeley, California won't honor an ICE request unless the detainee has been arrested for a violent crime or has committed murder in the last decade. Los Angeles County, meanwhile, just won't comply with ICE at all.

The results are troubling. In the first eight months of 2014 alone, 8,145 detainers issued by ICE were rejected by local law enforcement. 63% of those involved aliens with serious criminal backgrounds, and nearly 3,000 were actual felons. 23% of the 8,145 were arrested again (some multiple times), and even then, sanctuary cities still didn't cooperate with ICE on more than half of the repeat offenders. (If this isn't a broken system, what is?)

These cities aren't snubbing immigration authorities for the fun of it. Local law enforcement argue that, by refusing to act on someone's immigration status, they are encouraging undocumented victims, suspects, criminals, and witnesses to cooperate with their investigations. Hillary Clinton's campaign used that argument this summer, rallying behind sanctuary cities in the name of public safety. Not all law enforcement groups agree, arguing that such policies actually create undue liability on officers who may be punished if they share information with the feds.

But when it comes to our national immigration policy, one thing is clear: sanctuary cities are a roadblock to effective immigration enforcement. Even the Obama administration has recognized this fact and tried to rein such cities in, first creating the Secure Communities program (which required local authorities to share fingerprints with immigration agents), then scrapping it and creating the Priorities Enforcement Program, which shifted the focus to higher-risk cases.

Which brings us back to the Senate bill. That bill would have stripped federal grant funding from cities that refuse to cooperate with ICE's enforcement policies, coercing them into compliance with the feds. Even more appropriately, one revoked grant would have been the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program, which was created precisely to help local jurisdictions cover the costs associated with detaining illegal immigrants in the first place.

The bill would have also mandated sentencing rules for an illegal alien who is caught trying to re-enter the U.S. a second time.

Dropping the hammer on sanctuary cities is by no means a panacea for our immigration crisis. But putting the nation's thousands of competing jurisdictions and law enforcement agencies on the same page to enforce our immigration laws is certainly a great place to start. As poll after poll has shown, an unwavering majority of Americans - and Republicans in Congress, to boot - agree that border security and enforcement of our laws needs to be a higher priority than paving a pathway towards legalization and/or citizenship.

Democrats this week proved that, for them, that's not the case, preferring to play politics by accusing Republicans of “demonizing” immigrants and labeling the bill the “Donald Trump Act.” The broken system remains, kept broken by the same party that claims it is willing to fix it.

Sadly, each vote like this pushes conservatives further and further away from signing on to a “comprehensive immigration reform” deal. Sure, such a bill will likely have beefy border security and enforcement provisions, to convince Republicans to sign on. But remember: Democrats just illustrated to us that they have no interest in actually working to enforce any of the laws we already have.

So next time this comes up, you'll have to forgive our skepticism.
 

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/6/democrats-vote-defend-sanctuary-cities/

Senate Democrats launched filibusters Wednesday to protect sanctuary cities and to shield repeat illegal immigrants from mandatory minimum five-year prison sentences, saying Republican lawmakers were following the lead of Donald Trump in attacking immigrants.

The votes were taken slightly more than a year after the slaying of Kate Steinle, whose death at the hands of an illegal immigrant shielded by San Francisco’s sanctuary policy ignited a fierce debate over localities’ laws that limit or ban police from turning over immigrants to federal deportation officers.

Steinle’s death on July 1, 2015, drew attention to victims of illegal immigrant crime — a part of the debate that is often overlooked.

But Democrats said the Republicans’ solutions — stricter penalties on repeat illegal immigrants and punishing cities and counties for shielding illegal immigrants — were wrong.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, said incarcerating illegal immigrants who repeatedly sneak into the U.S. after deportations would end up overcrowding prisons and cost Americans billions of dollars.

“Republicans are legislating Donald Trump’s vision that immigrants and Latinos are criminals and threats to the public,” Mr. Reid said.


If you don't think this is only about protecting Democrat votes then allow them (illegals) to stay but remove their voting ability. Or their ability to access Social Welfare programs until gaining legal status.

Democrats would still complain which is all the proof you need to understand it's just about protecting those votes for Democrats to buy more of them using taxpayer money to hand out free stuff in exchange.
 

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Can/will someone on the Left please explain their (Sanctuary cities) purpose?

I really just want to hear from one of them (Leftists) why we should support such a thing with tax dollars, or more honestly what they exist for?

Anyone on the Left care to offer a defense?
 

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Can/will someone on the Left please explain their (Sanctuary cities) purpose?

I really just want to hear from one of them (Leftists) why we should support such a thing with tax dollars, or more honestly what they exist for?

Anyone on the Left care to offer a defense?
The idea, as Mule has said numerous times, and I agree with it in principle is that when crime occurs in areas where there is a high illegal population, they are hesitant to assist police for fear of being deported. I posted in Patx's thread, that this is where Trump could make some signficant gains.

1. Push for securing the border
2. Continue to deport criminal illegals (felons)
3. Create a path to citizenship (it can be lengthy) for those who are here and abiding by our laws.

He does this and there becomes no need for sanctuary cities.
 

atlkvb

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The idea, as Mule has said numerous times, and I agree with it in principle is that when crime occurs in areas where there is a high illegal population, they are hesitant to assist police for fear of being deported. I posted in Patx's thread, that this is where Trump could make some signficant gains.

1. Push for securing the border
2. Continue to deport criminal illegals (felons)
3. Create a path to citizenship (it can be lengthy) for those who are here and abiding by our laws.

He does this and there becomes no need for sanctuary cities.

So If I'm being totally unassuming here, the sanctuary city exists solely to harbor illegal criminal aliens?

(and incubate potential Democrat votes)
 

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So If I'm being totally unassuming here, the sanctuary city exists solely to harbor illegal criminal aliens?

(and incubate potential Democrat votes)
You and I both know that it has to do with votes as well. I disagree with it being solely to harbor illegal criminal aliens. They are here, they broke the law to get here, they are here illegally. There is no question about that. If you are boiling it down to the very base of reality, sure, that's fine.

The reality is that we can't deport 13 million people. That's not realistic. Those that are here and not breaking current laws, I don't have an issue with. They are trying to make a change and have the potential to contribute to our society. That aside, let's discuss a practical application of theory with some real world examples.

Kate Steinle, let's say when she was killed, the only witness was someone here illegally, yet other than that fact, they go to work in the fields as a picker everyday. They pay taxes through purchases of goods, their kids go to school, etc. As it currently stands, that person could likely be deported any day. It's a risk. It's one they accept. However, when faced with the potential of being sent back to whatever hell hole they came from for doing the right thing and coming forward to assist police, they stay silent for fear of being deported. Enter the idea of sanctuary city which in this instance would protect that person from coming forward.

Now, you really want to throw the left into a tailspin, put this legislation forward. Anyone willing to come forward and assist police with information leading to the successful conviction of someone for felony crime gets fast tracked to citizenship. That would take sanctuary to a whole new level of cooperation and completely invalidate the left's arguments on the need for them. Moreover, it would turn the community on itself.
 

atlkvb

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Now, you really want to throw the left into a tailspin, put this legislation forward. Anyone willing to come forward and assist police with information leading to the successful conviction of someone for felony crime gets fast tracked to citizenship. That would take sanctuary to a whole new level of cooperation and completely invalidate the left's arguments on the need for them. Moreover, it would turn the community on itself.

I could go for this, as long as they also threw in a provision that says "no voting" (at least until you get citizenship)
 

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deport what we can...

5,000 a month for 8 years...

almost .5M...

I'll take it...

and it would 'clean up' America...