SC vs Clemson in the OC search....

[cofcgamecock9]

Want to know why SC struggles year in and year out and just never seems to get it "right"? The next few days and weeks will most likely give us one great example of why SC can't get out of its own way.

Garrett Riley is out as OC at Clemson. So that just happened on December 3rd. Beamer has been in the market for an OC for about 4 weeks now.

So let's watch and here are some important things to look for..

1. Who hires the new OC first (remember SC had a 4 week head start).
2. Who gets the better hire. This is somewhat subjective but I think most fans will know which one is the better hire.
3. How much is each OC going to make? I am not excusing Beamer here but I think SC's "problems" go way above Beamer. SC never pays top money for a coach. Let's see what the Clemson OC contract looks like compared to the SC OC contract.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Want to know why SC struggles year in and year out and just never seems to get it "right"? The next few days and weeks will most likely give us one great example of why SC can't get out of its own way.

Garrett Riley is out as OC at Clemson. So that just happened on December 3rd. Beamer has been in the market for an OC for about 4 weeks now.

So let's watch and here are some important things to look for..

1. Who hires the new OC first (remember SC had a 4 week head start).
2. Who gets the better hire. This is somewhat subjective but I think most fans will know which one is the better hire.
3. How much is each OC going to make? I am not excusing Beamer here but I think SC's "problems" go way above Beamer. SC never pays top money for a coach. Let's see what the Clemson OC contract looks like compared to the SC OC contract.

Good post, IMHO.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

Funny that they're looking for an OC. When he was hired a few years ago, all I heard was wailing and gnashing of teeth about how they landed the best OC in the land and were gonna be unbeatable forever, etc., etc.

And here we are with him being shown the door after a less than stellar (brief) tenure... and their "OMG!" hire last year of the greatest DC ever has gotten off to a rather inauspicious start.

Kinda makes Dumbo look like an incompetent mechanic - he's not knowledgeable enough on the matter to correctly diagnose it so he keeps swapping parts in hopes of eventually getting it fixed.

Like recruiting classes, I'll wait and see what the results are, not the hype.

 

[Lurker123]

Like recruiting classes, I'll wait and see what the results are, not the hype.

This is, of course, the best course of action.

This also shows that "name" hires can fail as badly as no name hires.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Has this Riley being out at clem been confirmed?

 

[LazyIslander]

Has this Riley being out at clem been confirmed?

I don't think so

 

[18IsTheMan]

Has this Riley being out at clem been confirmed?

I see one article on Clemson Insider saying so but nothing anywhere else. Seems his name came up for the North Texas HC opening but that didn't go anywhere. Pretty sure this would be a big story if he was let go.

 

[Lurker123]

I read a a post where it's "known" they are moving in another direction, but not official.

 

[Lurker123]

I see one article on Clemson Insider saying so but nothing anywhere else. Seems his name came up for the North Texas HC opening but that didn't go anywhere. Pretty sure this would be a big story if he was let go.

That North Texas thing is what I read. Apparently, Dabo was hoping he would get a HC gig somewhere so he could just watch him leave. Now, I think he is going to fire him.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Has this Riley being out at clem been confirmed?

Nope

 

[Backyard Archer]

Want to know why SC struggles year in and year out and just never seems to get it "right"? The next few days and weeks will most likely give us one great example of why SC can't get out of its own way.

Garrett Riley is out as OC at Clemson. So that just happened on December 3rd. Beamer has been in the market for an OC for about 4 weeks now.

So let's watch and here are some important things to look for..

1. Who hires the new OC first (remember SC had a 4 week head start).
2. Who gets the better hire. This is somewhat subjective but I think most fans will know which one is the better hire.
3. How much is each OC going to make? I am not excusing Beamer here but I think SC's "problems" go way above Beamer. SC never pays top money for a coach. Let's see what the Clemson OC contract looks like compared to the SC OC contract.

Point 3 is laughable. Beamer is the 20th highest paid coach in all of college and Shula was in that range for OC at $1.1 million. I could only find the top 10 on OCs and #10 was at $1.4 million.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Point 3 is laughable. Beamer is the 20th highest paid coach in all of college and Shula was in that range for OC at $1.1 million. I could only find the top 10 on OCs and #10 was at $1.4 million.

We are not bad for lack of resources.

 

[cofcgamecock9]

Point 3 is laughable. Beamer is the 20th highest paid coach in all of college and Shula was in that range for OC at $1.1 million. I could only find the top 10 on OCs and #10 was at $1.4 million.

Oh man, no way.. Mike Shula was at $1.1 million. Oh yeah we are just rolling out the money bags then.... haha.

Meanwhile Garrett Riley made $1.75 million up the road at our in state rival in a less money making conference.

Nah, money isn't an issue at all.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

Oh man, no way.. Mike Shula was at $1.1 million. Oh yeah we are just rolling out the money bags then.... haha.

Meanwhile Garrett Riley made $1.75 million up the road at our in state rival in a less money making conference.

Nah, money isn't an issue at all.

So, I guess the lesson here is that just because you pay more doesn't mean you get more?

aTm said they took those courses... including the graduate classes.

 

[cofcgamecock9]

So, I guess the lesson here is that just because you pay more doesn't mean you get more?

aTm said they took those courses... including the graduate classes.

Money matters. To say it doesn't is laughable.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

Money matters. To say it doesn't is laughable.

And to say that simply paying more means getting more is equally so.

 

[Sparklecity]

According to this Clemson already has a replacement in mind, just not telling yet. As I said Beamer = unprepared

The Clemson Insider

Wednesday Night Clemson Coaching Changes Update

CLEMSON — With the early signing day completed, Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney will now turn his attention to other needs. Of course, one of those needs will be with his coaching staff. Through sourcing, The Clemson Insider has learned that the Tigers’ search for a new offensive coordinator has...

www.theclemsoninsider.com

 

[18IsTheMan]

According to this Clemson already has a replacement in mind, just not telling yet. As I said Beamer = unprepared

The Clemson Insider

Wednesday Night Clemson Coaching Changes Update

CLEMSON — With the early signing day completed, Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney will now turn his attention to other needs. Of course, one of those needs will be with his coaching staff. Through sourcing, The Clemson Insider has learned that the Tigers’ search for a new offensive coordinator has...

www.theclemsoninsider.com

I'm hanging my hat on the fact that Beamer wanted to deal with the Blackwell situation and get Duckworth in the fold before moving on the OC hire. I would expect an announcement soon if that is the case.

 

[Sparklecity]

I'm hanging my hat on the fact that Beamer wanted to deal with the Blackwell situation and get Duckworth in the fold before moving on the OC hire. I would expect an announcement soon if that is the case.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm hanging my hat on the fact that Beamer wanted to deal with the Blackwell situation and get Duckworth in the fold before moving on the OC hire. I would expect an announcement soon if that is the case.

I may be overestimating people, but cant you multitask those things?

 

[Tngamecock]

Want to know why SC struggles year in and year out and just never seems to get it "right"? The next few days and weeks will most likely give us one great example of why SC can't get out of its own way.

Garrett Riley is out as OC at Clemson. So that just happened on December 3rd. Beamer has been in the market for an OC for about 4 weeks now.

So let's watch and here are some important things to look for..

1. Who hires the new OC first (remember SC had a 4 week head start).
2. Who gets the better hire. This is somewhat subjective but I think most fans will know which one is the better hire.
3. How much is each OC going to make? I am not excusing Beamer here but I think SC's "problems" go way above Beamer. SC never pays top money for a coach. Let's see what the Clemson OC contract looks like compared to the SC OC contract.

#1 is meaningless based on #2

 

[Tngamecock]

Funny that they're looking for an OC. When he was hired a few years ago, all I heard was wailing and gnashing of teeth about how they landed the best OC in the land and were gonna be unbeatable forever, etc., etc.

And here we are with him being shown the door after a less than stellar (brief) tenure... and their "OMG!" hire last year of the greatest DC ever has gotten off to a rather inauspicious start.

Kinda makes Dumbo look like an incompetent mechanic - he's not knowledgeable enough on the matter to correctly diagnose it so he keeps swapping parts in hopes of eventually getting it fixed.

Like recruiting classes, I'll wait and see what the results are, not the hype.

Bingo….it was the ole group (i call them the Napier/Chadwick group), who blasted Dowell while using Riley as the bashing metric

 

[cofcgamecock9]

Bingo….it was the ole group (i call them the Napier/Chadwick group), who blasted Dowell while using Riley as the bashing metric

Garret Riley may not have been the answer at Clemson but he was a better OC than Dowell Logains.

SC points per game in 2024 was 22.7 and ranked 104th.
Clemson points per game in 2024 was 34.7 points per game.

Look, y'all make it seem like Beamer has done a good job of hiring anyone at all in his tenure as an OC. He hasn't. Garrett Riley would have been an immensely better hire at SC than any OC Beamer has hired.

 

[Lurker123]

After our last 3 OC hires, I'm not going to point fingers at Clemson.

Heck, I'd still take Riley over the three guys we got rid of.

 

[cofcgamecock9]

After ours last 3 OC hires, I'm not going to point fingers at Clemson.

Heck, I'd still take Riley over the three guys we got rid of.

Exactly.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

Garret Riley may not have been the answer at Clemson but he was a better OC than Dowell Logains.

SC points per game in 2024 was 22.7 and ranked 104th.
Clemson points per game in 2024 was 34.7 points per game.

Look, y'all make it seem like Beamer has done a good job of hiring anyone at all in his tenure as an OC. He hasn't. Garrett Riley would have been an immensely better hire at SC than any OC Beamer has hired.

Not sure how one can make a determination on who is "better" based on point production alone since they weren't playing the same opponents and didn't have the same personnel, same game situations (what was your goal? maybe try to run ball control when you've got a good lead versus trying to score as much as possible to catch up, etc). Waaaay too many variables, so to me these sort of single-point comparisons are far too simplistic to paint an accurate picture.
If I was trying to solve an industrial problem for a plant and gave them this sort of analysis, I'd be escorted off the premises ASAP... and probably with some lumps I didn't have when I got there.

It's Spinal Tap reasoning - "but this one goes to eleven".

 

[Lurker123]

Not sure how one can make a determination on who is "better" based on point production alone since they weren't playing the same opponents and didn't have the same personnel, same game situations (what was your goal? maybe try to run ball control when you've got a good lead versus trying to score as much as possible to catch up, etc). Waaaay too many variables, so to me these sort of single-point comparisons are far too simplistic to paint an accurate picture.
If I was trying to solve an industrial problem for a plant and gave them this sort of analysis, I'd be escorted off the premises ASAP... and probably with some lumps I didn't have when I got there.

It's Spinal Tap reasoning - "but this one goes to eleven".

I understand your point, and its valid. But ppg has to be one of the most important stats, if not most important, to grade an OC on.

Its not the whole picture, I agree. But its a big piece.

 

[Backyard Archer]

Oh man, no way.. Mike Shula was at $1.1 million. Oh yeah we are just rolling out the money bags then.... haha.

Meanwhile Garrett Riley made $1.75 million up the road at our in state rival in a less money making conference.

Nah, money isn't an issue at all.

So we pay top 20 money for our coaches that no one else wants yet we're not paying enough in your mind? There are quite a lot of coaches better than Beamer making less money. And literally 100s of OCs better than Shula that made less. We overpay for what we get if anything.

 

[Dabo's Weenie]

I understand your point, and its valid. But ppg has to be one of the most important stats, if not most important, to grade an OC on.

Its not the whole picture, I agree. But its a big piece.

It's a destination but the path to it is where the answers are.

 

[Garnetwhite]

Garret Riley may not have been the answer at Clemson but he was a better OC than Dowell Logains.

SC points per game in 2024 was 22.7 and ranked 104th.
Clemson points per game in 2024 was 34.7 points per game.

Look, y'all make it seem like Beamer has done a good job of hiring anyone at all in his tenure as an OC. He hasn't. Garrett Riley would have been an immensely better hire at SC than any OC Beamer has hired.

34 points was in the ACC . That is a difference

 

[HuntinAces]

I remember Dabo being adamant when Chad Morris left, that this was Clemsons offense, not Morris’.
Is it still not “Clemsons offense”?!
Much like recruiting, finding success in coaching candidates is sort of a crapshoot. Many surefire candidates have failed. Just like others have pointed out with Garrett Riley.
Clemson hit a gold mine with their QBs for a few years and had great coaches on top of that. Tony Elliot was a great follow up to Morris.
After that, they haven’t quite been the same and each year they have been sort of heading toward the year they had this year. They have lost at least 4 games the past 3 years…which we would love but it does go to show coaching is still very vital.

 

[RU4God2]

Want to know why SC struggles year in and year out and just never seems to get it "right"? The next few days and weeks will most likely give us one great example of why SC can't get out of its own way.

Garrett Riley is out as OC at Clemson. So that just happened on December 3rd. Beamer has been in the market for an OC for about 4 weeks now.

So let's watch and here are some important things to look for..

1. Who hires the new OC first (remember SC had a 4 week head start).
2. Who gets the better hire. This is somewhat subjective but I think most fans will know which one is the better hire.
3. How much is each OC going to make? I am not excusing Beamer here but I think SC's "problems" go way above Beamer. SC never pays top money for a coach. Let's see what the Clemson OC contract looks like compared to the SC OC contract.

Money only matters when you're going after the man you want. It does NOT guarantee said man will end up being worth said money,