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JournCat

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I think we could start 0-2 and still end up competing for the Big Ten title.

That December pair is a tough draw. Friday 12/1 against an Illinois that we struggled with last year, at Allstate Arena, so a neutral site at best, then at Purdue two days later. Two tough games, though hopefully we can get one of them. Purdue will be coming back from a road game at Maryland.

We could get on a roll in January, starting with Nebraska, @PSU, and then a big home game against Minnesota, followed by three winnable ones @IU and the OSU/PSU home games. We should be favored in every game except maybe Minnesota. The decisive stretch for a title will probably be the @Minn-@Mich-@Wisc trio. We need at least one of those. The last four games -- MSU, MD, Wisc and @Iowa -- are all tough, but winnable.

I'll say we go 10-8. Wins: Nebraska, @PSU, Minnesota, OSU, PSU, @Wisconsin, Michigan, @Rutgers, Maryland, @Iowa.
 

NJCat

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I'll say we go 10-8. .
10-8 would be a disappointment. NU went 10-8 with a weaker, injury riddled team last season. If the Cats are reasonably healthy this year anything less than 11 B1G wins would be a step back.
 

Mr Wickerpark

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I think we could start 0-2 and still end up competing for the Big Ten title.

That December pair is a tough draw. Friday 12/1 against an Illinois that we struggled with last year, at Allstate Arena, so a neutral site at best, then at Purdue two days later. Two tough games, though hopefully we can get one of them. Purdue will be coming back from a road game at Maryland.

We could get on a roll in January, starting with Nebraska, @PSU, and then a big home game against Minnesota, followed by three winnable ones @IU and the OSU/PSU home games. We should be favored in every game except maybe Minnesota. The decisive stretch for a title will probably be the @Minn-@Mich-@Wisc trio. We need at least one of those. The last four games -- MSU, MD, Wisc and @Iowa -- are all tough, but winnable.

I'll say we go 10-8. Wins: Nebraska, @PSU, Minnesota, OSU, PSU, @Wisconsin, Michigan, @Rutgers, Maryland, @Iowa.
I think we have one of the top 4 teams. Not sure how many wins.
 

NUCat320

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10-8 would be a disappointment. NU went 10-8 with a weaker, injury riddled team last season. If the Cats are reasonably healthy this year anything less than 11 B1G wins would be a step back.
I do think the lack of a true home court will be tougher to contend with that we anticipate, though true optimists will point out the relative success of the 1983 (?) team.
 

NJCat

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I do think the lack of a true home court will be tougher to contend with that we anticipate, though true optimists will point out the relative success of the 1983 (?) team.
NU went 5-4 at home last year and 5-4 on the road. Not sure WRA was as much of a home court advantage as you'd expect. Conversely, NU seems to play well on the road.
 

JournCat

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10-8 would be a disappointment. NU went 10-8 with a weaker, injury riddled team last season. If the Cats are reasonably healthy this year anything less than 11 B1G wins would be a step back.

That December weekend and playing in Rosemont are major concerns, and no one knows how we'll respond to real expectations after making the tournament. Three big crosswinds.
 

NJCat

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That December weekend and playing in Rosemont are major concerns, and no one knows how we'll respond to real expectations after making the tournament. Three big crosswinds.
Agree those are crosswinds (headwinds?). But it helps to have one of the Big 10's best players, an experienced line-up, and a great coaching staff. Like Gary Barnett said, "Expect Victory"!
 

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The point was made earlier, but I think one of the reasons NU has been a fairly good road team is that WRA has really not been a strong home arena. This past year seemed to be the first time that the arena was about 60% purple. I am very disappointed that a number of season ticket holders did not buy tix.

The other major aspect is that we have a lot of veterans who played significant minutes in significant games. They all know the intensity which is required to win at home/away. I think AA may affect us, but all those other teams in the B10 have not played there. My wild guess is 11-7 in B10 which will be great.
 

JournCat

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Agree those are crosswinds (headwinds?). But it helps to have one of the Big 10's best players, an experienced line-up, and a great coaching staff. Like Gary Barnett said, "Expect Victory"!

Haha. Headwinds. Long day.
 

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The reasons that NU had a 5-4 record last season in conference was as follows:

1. Loss to Maryland when Melo Trimble had his career game and went for around 35 points. NU returned the favor as Tremble had a poor game in DC as NU beat Maryland in Big 10 tourney;
2. Loss to Illini - team had only two scoring options in BMac and Law with Lindsey out with mono. Game tied with 3 minutes left and BMac and Law ran out of gas. Michael Finke hit a 3 to win it which was not the norm;
3. Tight loss to Minny as Minny's defense laid off Skelly who went 0 for 6 from 3s with on his shots missing the rim. We could have used Falzon in that game. Minny's 11th man Michael Hurt hit a 3 to win it and never left the bench the rest of the season. NU had recruited Hurt;
4. Tight loss to Big 10 champion Purdue in season finale as Taphorn air balled an open 3 to tie the game. Also, NU had no answer for NCAA Player of the Year candidate, Big 10 POY and NBA 1st round pick, Caleb Swanigan.

All teams aside from Illini were tourney teams. All three of the games were tight games aside from the Melo career game. Those losses resulted from failures to execute by the players and not due to WRA. In fact, most say the atmosphere for the Purdue game was at an all-time level including the CBS announcers like Jim Nantz and Rafferty who have broadcast a couple of games in their careers.
 

pschatz25

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I noticed that 7 of our 9 home ("home") conference games are on weekdays. So they didn't do any favors for people who are going to drive from the Evanston area out to Rosemont.
 

NJCat

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I noticed that 7 of our 9 home ("home") conference games are on weekdays. So they didn't do any favors for people who are going to drive from the Evanston area out to Rosemont.
Big 10 getting even with NU for backing out of Friday night football games.
 

backdoorpass

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3. Tight loss to Minny as Minny's defense laid off Skelly who went 0 for 6 from 3s with on his shots missing the rim. We could have used Falzon in that game. Minny's 11th man Michael Hurt hit a 3 to win it and never left the bench the rest of the season. NU had recruited Hurt;

The 'Cats drastically turned things around after that Minnesota game.

Up to that point in the season, we had played well but blew it in the closing minutes against both Butler and Notre Dame. We nearly gave up every bit of a 23 point lead in the second half to Dayton. And we were coming off a 9-point loss at Michigan State that was never really close. And then we faded in the final ten minutes to Minnesota...at home. Ugh. At the time, those seemed like the only good teams we had played*...and it didn't feel like we had the edge to beat good teams. (*It was already clear that Texas was not good, but it was still too early to know that Wake Forest would wind up being quite good.)

The stretch of 6 straight wins (3 on the road) that followed the Minnesota game was amazing. Of course, then Scottie went down with mono...but something had clicked. The team had figured out how to gut out wins in games that they had been losing earlier in the season.

It is so exciting to start this coming season with such a veteran group of guys who have already figured out what it takes to win and were playing their best basketball on the biggest stage in March. I can't wait!
 
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xxxbobxxx

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Games I may fly to:

Purdue, Dec 3 - Laura and I liked the airport and the arena, but not the result
Maybe Penn St depending on NYE plans
IU, Jan 14 - same as Purdue
Mich, Jan 19 - easy trip and haven't been to that campus in years
Wisc, Feb 1 - same as Mich
Iowa, Feb 25 - freshly back from another Cuba trip, great little trip for some airtime

I haven't bought the KingAir yet - still fly my little Bonnie. But can easy fit one Glades sized companion, or two reasonably sized companions. Hit me up if you want to talk about joining for a game.

And as the time of year approaches, cheap plug for my sports wagering services ;) Message me.
 

pschatz25

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Big 10 getting even with NU for backing out of Friday night football games.

"That'll show 'em..."

Actually my wife probably has the correct explanation, which is that the Wolves probably have first dibs on dates. The arena operator has no incentive to do us any favors as we're only going to be there for one season.
 

PURPLE Book Cat

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Haha. Headwinds. Long day.

As a pilot, I would much rather have a nice headwind than a crosswind. I almost flipped a 172 coming in to Oscoda with an unexpected 25 knot crosswind. Fortunately I was landing on a runway designed for B52s, so I had plenty of pavement off the centerline. Would have been toast at a regular muni airport though.
 

xxxbobxxx

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As a pilot, I would much rather have a nice headwind than a crosswind. I almost flipped a 172 coming in to Oscoda with an unexpected 25 knot crosswind. Fortunately I was landing on a runway designed for B52s, so I had plenty of pavement off the centerline. Would have been toast at a regular muni airport though.

I once flew a 152 backwards in a strong headwind. I was still in lessons and my instructor pointed out we were not moving forward during stall training.
 

Styre

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Actually my wife probably has the correct explanation, which is that the Wolves probably have first dibs on dates. The arena operator has no incentive to do us any favors as we're only going to be there for one season.

Arena conflicts make scheduling NU games difficult, but the reason the B1G is having Monday and Friday conference games in general is TV. Monday and Friday conference games will likely be on FOX/FS1/FS2, with the ESPN family and CBS in their usual Tuesday-Thursday and weekend slots.
 
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wow. what a bunch of pessimist. I'm thinking 12-6 at the worst. I don't think it's too purple to say that we can beat any team and that I doubt we will be big underdogs away for any opponent. We are so good that it really doesn't matter where we play at. Our skill level is above the emotional threashold/Red Bull assist level.

I'd be bummed if we only win 11 BIG games this year. And I think we have a shot to be in the sweet 16. And if the ball bounces right, we may be in the BIG championship game.
 

NJCat

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wow. what a bunch of pessimist. I'm thinking 12-6 at the worst. I don't think it's too purple to say that we can beat any team and that I doubt we will be big underdogs away for any opponent. We are so good that it really doesn't matter where we play at. Our skill level is above the emotional threashold/Red Bull assist level.

I'd be bummed if we only win 11 BIG games this year. And I think we have a shot to be in the sweet 16. And if the ball bounces right, we may be in the BIG championship game.
Agree on all points. This is going to be a fun season if everyone stays relatively healthy.
 

ricko6543211

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I think we could start 0-2 and still end up competing for the Big Ten title.

That December pair is a tough draw. Friday 12/1 against an Illinois that we struggled with last year, at Allstate Arena, so a neutral site at best, then at Purdue two days later. Two tough games, though hopefully we can get one of them. Purdue will be coming back from a road game at Maryland.

We could get on a roll in January, starting with Nebraska, @PSU, and then a big home game against Minnesota, followed by three winnable ones @IU and the OSU/PSU home games. We should be favored in every game except maybe Minnesota. The decisive stretch for a title will probably be the @Minn-@Mich-@Wisc trio. We need at least one of those. The last four games -- MSU, MD, Wisc and @Iowa -- are all tough, but winnable.

I'll say we go 10-8. Wins: Nebraska, @PSU, Minnesota, OSU, PSU, @Wisconsin, Michigan, @Rutgers, Maryland, @Iowa.
I'm not ready to go game by game yet, football season first. But generally, I think the top of the conference is MSU, then Minny us Purdue. After that Wisc Md Mich Indy are all question marks, maybe Iowa takes a step up, and the remainder in the lower tier. I would think 10 wins is our baseline target, and hope that we can exceed that.

More importantly though... is anyone else a bit disgusted by what the B1G has done with the schedule this year? I think it's mostly to accommodate the BTT in NYC a week earlier, but also could be a result of the new TV deal with FOX and more permanent (I hope not).
1) adding two games that first Dec week pre conf season - I'm actually good with this one, think they did it to reduce conference games while students are on break.
2) adding 2-day turnarounds - we have a Sat Mon, a Sun Tues, and a Fri Sun I believe. this should not be necessary for college kids.
3) ruining the TWTh / SatSun pods and adding in Mon & Fri games - ruins the flow of the schedule, makes it less consistent across the conference, more challenging to establish timing and preparation
4) also a byproduct of 2 and 3 is now there are some weeks where teams have 3 games, and a number of weeks where teams have 2 games during the same week (not w/e) - eg Sat Mon Fri. Are we completely forgetting that these kids are supposed to be attending school as well? This is a step too far.
5) getting rid of the prohibition on 3 straight road games. when the schedule is split 18 w 9H and 9A why do you need 3 straight road games ever? someone needs to write a better algorithm.
- A combination of these things are manifested in the week the Cats play Mon 1/29 @Mich then Thurs 2/1 @Wiscy. So what the kids head up to Mich Sunday, get back sometime in the AM Tues morning? Then leave Weds afternoon for Wiscy and don't get back until AM Friday morning? With basically 1 normal night of sleep the entire week (Tues night), and 1.5 days of total opportunity to attend class - Tues afternoon, Weds morning, Fri afternoon. That's just ridiculous. These are road games #2 and #3 in succession after being @Minn the prior week. And you can find at least one situation like that in each team's schedule, or some worse. It's not just us, I assure you.

I think Jim Delaney (or whoever the schedule makers are) should be ashamed of himself. I'm sure CC is too smart to complain about this publicly, but the subjugation of previously defined standards for student-athlete balance in pursuit of having the conference tourney in NYC (or getting our best FOX TV deal terms) is embarrassing. I hope someone behind the scenes is expressing extreme distaste with these arrangements, as Fitz did with the Friday football games.

I understand we want a tourney in NYC (I live here, I do too), that's all well and good, but not on these terms. If we can't do it on the right timing at MSG then let it go. Or try Barclays, I suspect they'd ditch the A10 for the opportunity to host the BTT. But if not, say no and move on. DC last year sounds like by all accounts it was a great success, but this ain't worth it.

I was good with the greater flexibility in scheduling times last year (games evenly split TWTh, and SatSun rather than mostly W - S) because it meant every game was on TV, and it still maintained good spacing of the schedule. I am not okay with this.
 
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ricko6543211

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I'm not ready to go game by game yet, football season first. But generally, I think the top of the conference is MSU, then Minny us Purdue. After that Wisc Md Mich Indy are all question marks, maybe Iowa takes a step up, and the remainder in the lower tier. I would think 10 wins is our baseline target, and hope that we can exceed that.

More importantly though... is anyone else a bit disgusted by what the B1G has done with the schedule this year? I think it's mostly to accommodate the BTT in NYC a week earlier, but also could be a result of the new TV deal with FOX and more permanent (I hope not).
1) adding two games that first Dec week pre conf season - I'm actually good with this one, think they did it to reduce conference games while students are on break.
2) adding 2-day turnarounds - we have a Sat Mon, a Sun Tues, and a Fri Sun I believe. this should not be necessary for college kids.
3) ruining the TWTh / SatSun pods and adding in Mon & Fri games - ruins the flow of the schedule, makes it less consistent across the conference, more challenging to establish timing and preparation
4) also a byproduct of 2 and 3 is now there are some weeks where teams have 3 games, and a number of weeks where teams have 2 games during the same week (not w/e) - eg Sat Mon Fri. Are we completely forgetting that these kids are supposed to be attending school as well? This is a step too far.
5) getting rid of the prohibition on 3 straight road games. when the schedule is split 18 w 9H and 9A why do you need 3 straight road games ever? someone needs to write a better algorithm.
- A combination of these things are manifested in the week the Cats play Mon 1/29 @Mich then Thurs 2/1 @Wiscy. So what the kids head up to Mich Sunday, get back sometime in the AM Tues morning? Then leave Weds afternoon for Wiscy and don't get back until AM Friday morning? With basically 1 normal night of sleep the entire week (Tues night), and 1.5 days of total opportunity to attend class - Tues afternoon, Weds morning, Fri afternoon. That's just ridiculous. And you can find at least one situation like that in each team's schedule, or some worse. It's not just us, I assure you.

I think Jim Delaney (or whoever the schedule makers are) should be ashamed of himself. I'm sure CC is too smart to complain about this publicly, but the subjugation of previously defined standards for student-athlete balance in pursuit of having the conference tourney in NYC (or get our best FOX TV deal terms) is embarrassing. I hope someone behind the scenes is expressing extreme distaste with these arrangements, as Fitz did with the Friday football games.

I understand we want a tourney in NYC (I live here, I do too), that's all well and good, but not on these terms. If we can't do it on the right timing at MSG then let it go. Or try Barclays, I suspect they'd ditch the A10 for the opportunity to host the BTT. But if not, say no and move on. DC last year sounds like by all accounts it was a great success, but this ain't worth it.

I was good with the greater flexibility in scheduling times last year (games evenly split TWTh, and SatSun rather than mostly W - S) because it meant every game was on TV, and it still maintained good spacing of the schedule. I am not okay with this.
Oh and one other follow note to those asking about the lack of Sat / Sun games at home (2 of 9) - that's because of the introduction of Fri & Mon games for TV / scheduling purposes, and it happened to everyone. We have only 6 of 18 games on weekends combined. I think someone mentioned that one team (Wisconsin?) actually had only 4 of 18. I love Cats basketball and will watch it whenever, but ideally that is not how I'd spend my Friday night.
 
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Oh and one other follow note to those asking about the lack of Sat / Sun games at home (2 of 9) - that's because of the introduction of Fri & Mon games for TV / scheduling purposes, and it happened to everyone. We have only 6 of 18 games on weekends combined. I think someone mentioned that one team (Wisconsin?) actually had only 4 of 18. I love Cats basketball and will watch it whenever, but ideally that is not how I'd spend my Friday night.
unbelievable. Not having weekend games is gonna make things tough for me and others.