Scheduling?

[Sharkey1203]

What's your opinion on this. If it better to wrestle a schedule that's brutal like Iowa's schedule, or something like this?


Or is Cael chicken s*** and doesn't want to wrestle the toughest until March?
What's truly better, being on the big stage almost every time you hit the mat, or having 12-14 matches and only wrestling what the B1G puts in front of you?
We suffer a lot of injuries, tough losses and seem to fade in March. While S*** St. (sometimes) have just enough matches to qualify for the B1G's. But seem to peak in March.

I love our schedule, but I'm beginning to question it. We keep sliding back from what we're used to (Winning Nat's).

Let's hear what you have to say.

 

[Sullivan]

What's your opinion on this. If it better to wrestle a schedule that's brutal like Iowa's schedule, or something like this?
View attachment 1048416

Or is Cael chicken s*** and doesn't want to wrestle the toughest until March?
What's truly better, being on the big stage almost every time you hit the mat, or having 12-14 matches and only wrestling what the B1G puts in front of you?
We suffer a lot of injuries, tough losses and seem to fade in March. While S*** St. (sometimes) have just enough matches to qualify for the B1G's. But seem to peak in March.

I love our schedule, but I'm beginning to question it. We keep sliding back from what we're used to (Winning Nat's).

Let's hear what you have to say.

I'm not sure that it has as much to do with the quality of the opponents as it does the timing of when Iowa wrestles them. For instance, does it make sense trying to wrestle OK State just before Big 10's and the NCAA tournament? One can also argue wrestling ISU 3 days after Thanksgiving doesn't make a lot of sense.

Wrestling is tough. It doesn't need to be made any more difficult than it already is.

 

[heldyhawk606]

You could make an argument they wrestle another top 5 (3?) every day in the room so what does it matter?

Our schedule is always going to be tougher because we have our rivalries with ISU and Okla State. Tom has then made it a point to continue to try and grow the sport by schedule matches all over - Oregon State, Army, Bellarmine, etc. When you are a superpower program there comes a responsibly to act that way, so I appreciate that Cael and company are going to Laradise in December.

 

[pish69]

What's your opinion on this. If it better to wrestle a schedule that's brutal like Iowa's schedule, or something like this?
View attachment 1048416

Or is Cael chicken s*** and doesn't want to wrestle the toughest until March?
What's truly better, being on the big stage almost every time you hit the mat, or having 12-14 matches and only wrestling what the B1G puts in front of you?
We suffer a lot of injuries, tough losses and seem to fade in March. While S*** St. (sometimes) have just enough matches to qualify for the B1G's. But seem to peak in March.

I love our schedule, but I'm beginning to question it. We keep sliding back from what we're used to (Winning Nat's).

Let's hear what you have to say.

1. Yes Cael is “chicken ****”
2. The schedule you posted has 15 duals not 12-14
3. You don’t need any matches to qualify for B1Gs
4. Winning Nats has more to do with talent than schedule

 

[maxpain]

I am far from a PSU apologist and look for every reason to hate them, but this isn’t one. When 3/4 of your lineup is wrestling in one freestyle world championship or another into the start of the college season then it requires some consideration for the college schedule.

Hopefully this hurts them as there is something about the Folkstyle grind that is hard to replicate. Hopefully Iowa uses the next month or so to get some momentum in the form of offense and wins since there is a bit of a lull in the schedule.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

What's your opinion on this. If it better to wrestle a schedule that's brutal like Iowa's schedule, or something like this?
View attachment 1048416

Or is Cael chicken s*** and doesn't want to wrestle the toughest until March?
What's truly better, being on the big stage almost every time you hit the mat, or having 12-14 matches and only wrestling what the B1G puts in front of you?
We suffer a lot of injuries, tough losses and seem to fade in March. While S*** St. (sometimes) have just enough matches to qualify for the B1G's. But seem to peak in March.

I love our schedule, but I'm beginning to question it. We keep sliding back from what we're used to (Winning Nat's).

Let's hear what you have to say.

Iowa maybe overshot and needs to rethink its priorities.

What do you think PSU could or should do differently, besides go to National Duals? They won't likely ever given the number of wrestlers they will have on world teams for the foreseeable future. PSU priorities are NCAA, World, and Olympic Champions.

• B1G makes most of the schedule.
• Lehigh and Drexel are in state to grow/maintain the sport locally, opportunity-wise.
• BKI is patriotic and provides exposure to NY for recruiting.
• Princeton is for NJ recruiting.
• OU was for Mark Hall.
• Wyoming was a home and home and helps support out west near Utah, for opportunities there.

They are sending guys to opens, including, I believe, to the Scuffle. Just not starters.

I said elsewhere that having a potential 5 dual losses is something enabled by the having the toughest schedule in D1 wrestling.

 

[IRON HAWK]

Been over this, but might as well DO IT AGAIN!!! YES it is a HUGE mistake to wrestle this schedule BUT being in IOWA and being the HAWKS demands it!!!

I gave the analogy about the NY Yankees. The DEMAND on the team is most often much greater then everyone else. What does that mean??? It means they have to play mostly PRIME TIME, they have to do more interviews, when they travel to other cities, they also have more "obligations"

The HAWKEYES are in the same boat!!! There is obviously the B1G schedule. Add the tradition(s) of wrestling Oak st etc.... Put in National duals and you now have a HEAD SCRATCHING BRUTAL schedule that for the most part, just tears you up!!!!

This is the FACTS my friends and you have to UNDERSTAND TRAINING to understand what this means!!! For example, to go into a meet such as Beliemaire(or whatever the team was-NO offense because they wrestled TUF!!!!) Our guys would not have to be a PEAK performance levels. To wrestle in the National duals however- you need to be FIRING on ALL cylinders!!!

Now you not only have to wrestle TOP competition once, now maybe 2-3-4-5 TIMES!!!! Just look at Ohio st, IOWA wrestled them, then they wrestle them again, then they see them at B1G Ten championships, then NCAAs.

AND I get IRON sharpens IRON!!! Problem is, that "IRON" better be treated and used correctly otherwise it can "break down!!!" We go to DAN GABLES book THE IOWA WAY once again. APPARENTLY I am the only one here who READ the darn thing!?!?!?!? There is a whole section about PEAKING and it is a "wave" pattern.

Problem is, IOWA schedule leaves NO time to implement a peaking schedule. I am also NOT certain of POS ncaa regulations and/or pos IOWA administrations "over watch" about TRAINING!?!?!? and this is HUGE!!! IF constrains are placed on TRAINING, COACHING, DRILLING etc.... That also makes early season matches just plain STUPID!!!

LOVED the National duals, time of year is STUPID!!! but when could you have it??? NO great answer!!!!

If I was IOWA, I wouldn't even compete till after New Year!!!! I would work technique, situations, drills, bring in outside guys from all over to spare with. Then get at it with B1G schedule!!!

 

[Cedarfalls]

Yeah Cael is scared for sure. I’m sure they’d have 2-3 dual meet loses if they had Iowa’s schedule

 

[ScottishSteel]

You could make an argument they wrestle another top 5 (3?) every day in the room so what does it matter?

Our schedule is always going to be tougher because we have our rivalries with ISU and Okla State. Tom has then made it a point to continue to try and grow the sport by schedule matches all over - Oregon State, Army, Bellarmine, etc. When you are a superpower program there comes a responsibly to act that way, so I appreciate that Cael and company are going to Laradise in December.

Oddly enough, Penn St did also go to Oregon St 2 years ago for a dual and go to Army every year for the Black Knight. Not trying to cause a ruckus just unique that of the 2 you listed they also correlate to Penn St recent scheduling

 

[sdvike]

Penn St is overwhelming favorite at Nattys. They don't need to look for challenges because they aren't any out there. They just train for Bigs and Natty and I believe much of their work is in their room under controlled situations.

 

[Sharkey1203]

Been over this, but might as well DO IT AGAIN!!! YES it is a HUGE mistake to wrestle this schedule BUT being in IOWA and being the HAWKS demands it!!!

I gave the analogy about the NY Yankees. The DEMAND on the team is most often much greater then everyone else. What does that mean??? It means they have to play mostly PRIME TIME, they have to do more interviews, when they travel to other cities, they also have more "obligations"

The HAWKEYES are in the same boat!!! There is obviously the B1G schedule. Add the tradition(s) of wrestling Oak st etc.... Put in National duals and you now have a HEAD SCRATCHING BRUTAL schedule that for the most part, just tears you up!!!!

This is the FACTS my friends and you have to UNDERSTAND TRAINING to understand what this means!!! For example, to go into a meet such as Beliemaire(or whatever the team was-NO offense because they wrestled TUF!!!!) Our guys would not have to be a PEAK performance levels. To wrestle in the National duals however- you need to be FIRING on ALL cylinders!!!

Now you not only have to wrestle TOP competition once, now maybe 2-3-4-5 TIMES!!!! Just look at Ohio st, IOWA wrestled them, then they wrestle them again, then they see them at B1G Ten championships, then NCAAs.

AND I get IRON sharpens IRON!!! Problem is, that "IRON" better be treated and used correctly otherwise it can "break down!!!" We go to DAN GABLES book THE IOWA WAY once again. APPARENTLY I am the only one here who READ the darn thing!?!?!?!? There is a whole section about PEAKING and it is a "wave" pattern.

Problem is, IOWA schedule leaves NO time to implement a peaking schedule. I am also NOT certain of POS ncaa regulations and/or pos IOWA administrations "over watch" about TRAINING!?!?!? and this is HUGE!!! IF constrains are placed on TRAINING, COACHING, DRILLING etc.... That also makes early season matches just plain STUPID!!!

LOVED the National duals, time of year is STUPID!!! but when could you have it??? NO great answer!!!!

If I was IOWA, I wouldn't even compete till after New Year!!!! I would work technique, situations, drills, bring in outside guys from all over to spare with. Then get at it with B1G schedule!!!

The life of a UFC fighter is very limited in years (I mean being on top), that's because you are taking on the top contenders almost every time you go out. It takes a toll on the body and mind. Add in weight training and it's next level.

All I'm saying is that S*** St. never backed down and wrestled a pretty tough schedule...until Cael. Yes, talent has a lot to do with it. But putting guys on the top step of the podium in March helps bring in those top talent guys.

So my question is...is it better to wrestle a brutal schedule and have guys with losses and not be peeking in March, or wrestle medium level teams and peak in March?

Right now we don't have top level guys flocking to our beloved Hawks. Cael does. Is this what's holding us back?

 

[Sharkey1203]

Penn St is overwhelming favorite at Nattys. They don't need to look for challenges because they aren't any out there. They just train for Bigs and Natty and I believe much of their work is in their room under controlled situations.

Even though I hate it, I completely agree with this!

 

[trufan]

Well, you have to beat the best to be the best, but if you are already the best, then I don't know what you need to do.

 

[heldyhawk606]

Oddly enough, Penn St did also go to Oregon St 2 years ago for a dual and go to Army every year for the Black Knight. Not trying to cause a ruckus just unique that of the 2 you listed they also correlate to Penn St recent scheduling

Wasn't throwing shade at anyone, the initial post was about how hard our schedule was, I gave my thoughts on why I think that is. And then the second part was questioning Penn State's schedule, and I thought I was being generous and applauding them traveling to Wyoming in middle of December. Sorry if that didn't come off that way.

 

[Libertylover]

Even though I hate it, I completely agree with this!

I’m glad they didn’t go to national duels. Made it more exciting and suspenseful who would win it, and had some close exciting duels. Hope they never come.

 

[Libertylover]

Iowa maybe overshot and needs to rethink its priorities.

What do you PSU could or should do differently, besides go to National Duals? They won't likely ever given the number of wrestlers they will have on world teams for the foreseeable future. PSU priorities are NCAA, World, and Olympic Champions.

• B1G makes most of the schedule.
• Lehigh and Drexel are in state to grow/maintain the sport locally, opportunity-wise.
• BKI is patriotic and provides exposure to NY for recruitin.
• Princeton is for NJ recruiting.
• OU was for Mark Hall.
• Wyoming was a home and home and helps support out west near Utah, for opportunities they.

They are sending guys to opens, including, I believe, to the Scuffle. Just not starters.

I said elsewhere that having a potential 5 dual losses is something enabled by the having the toughest schedule in D1 wrestling.

Come on, they don’t have to go to those locations to be noticed for recruiting . I think most top wrestlers know who Carl and PSU are, and most are praying they get recruited by them

 

[Cedarfalls]

I’m glad they didn’t go to national duels. Made it more exciting and suspenseful who would win it, and had some close exciting duels. Hope they never come.

They probably won’t ever go. With U23s being in October, it doesn’t lend much time for their guys to get rested and into folkstyle mode

 

[Corby2]

Penn St has a plan and it's working they've won 12 titles in 15 seasons under Cael. Until that changes I wouldn't expect scheduling to change. This year they didn't even use all the dates available to them and that's not a coincidence it's the plan. They've unbelievable depth so training against teammates is usually better than wrestling a meaningless dual. Also people probably aren't aware but filling out the schedule isn't easy for them because most people don't want to wrestle them. Also no one is beating them in a dual this year not sure if anyone wins 4 matches in a dual against them. Ohio st has the best chance of winning 4 matches .

 

[maxpain]

Penn St has a plan and it's working they've won 12 titles in 15 seasons under Cael. Until that changes I wouldn't expect scheduling to change. This year they didn't even use all the dates available to them and that's not a coincidence it's the plan. They've unbelievable depth so training against teammates is usually better than wrestling a meaningless dual. Also people probably aren't aware but filling out the schedule isn't easy for them because most people don't want to wrestle them. Also no one is beating them in a dual this year not sure if anyone wins 4 matches in a dual against them. Ohio st has the best chance of winning 4 matches .

Ohio State will be fun. It pains me to say it but Iowa State matches up pretty good against them actually. I would pick ISU at 133, 141, 197, and Hwt actually.

 

[Corby2]

Ohio State will be fun. It pains me to say it but Iowa State matches up pretty good against them actually. I would pick ISU at 133, 141, 197, and Hwt actually.

I don't see Blaze losing to Frost. And Barr vs Elam is a toss up. They win 2-3 I think

 

[maxpain]

I don't see Blaze losing to Frost. And Barr vs Elam is a toss up. They win 2-3 I think

I want to see Blaze in high level folk matches before I pick him in that kind of match. Been awhile since we have seen it. A guy like Frost who is stingy and tough on top against a true freshman.

And I think Elam is the best 197 in the country when healthy. And he seems healthy.

It’s too bad we won’t see it at collegiate duals.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Come on, they don’t have to go to those locations to be noticed for recruiting . I think most top wrestlers know who Carl and PSU are, and most are praying they get recruited by them

But they also like to know there might be a nearby dual that their family and friends can attend. Nevills had a CA school scheduled. RBY had AzSt scheduled.

 

[ScottishSteel]

Wasn't throwing shade at anyone, the initial post was about how hard our schedule was, I gave my thoughts on why I think that is. And then the second part was questioning Penn State's schedule, and I thought I was being generous and applauding them traveling to Wyoming in middle of December. Sorry if that didn't come off that way.

It wasn't meant to call you out at all; just thought it was odd that both Iowa and Penn St's recent "go to a unique place" wrestling has involved similar programs . . . honestly probably more of a testament to Chris Pendleton at Oregon St than anything that he's had Penn St, Iowa, Oklahoma St, all there in recent years and Ohio St coming this year

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Also people probably aren't aware but filling out the schedule isn't easy for them because most people don't want to wrestle them.

Yeah, they are still waiting on Iowa to visit in a year the B1G doesn't schedule Iowa vs PSU

 

[Sharkey1203]

Wasn't throwing shade at anyone, the initial post was about how hard our schedule was, I gave my thoughts on why I think that is. And then the second part was questioning Penn State's schedule, and I thought I was being generous and applauding them traveling to Wyoming in middle of December. Sorry if that didn't come off that way.

No, my post is asking if it benefits having a harder schedule.

 

[Corby2]

Yeah, they are still waiting on Iowa to visit in a year the B1G doesn't schedule Iowa vs PSU

You suck as a troll time to eat another lunch

 

[AndreTheHawk]

I guess I would prefer the tougher schedule when you have a choice, because I think it keeps you sharper mentally and physically for when it really matters. That can also expose your weaknesses if you have anything you need to improve on, and you have the goods to accomplish that improvement. Battle tested if you will.

With that said, it's always been about the Jimmy's and Joe's, and if yours are that much better than everybody else's, the schedule you went thru may not be the deciding factor. (but those great Jimmy's and Joe's in those situations didn't get there by taking the easy route). So if you hope to catch them, you gotta test yourself and see what happens.

 

[Babbahganoosh]

I’m glad they didn’t go to national duels. Made it more exciting and suspenseful who would win it, and had some close exciting duels. Hope they never come.

Nationals “Duels”?

 

[WexfordWarrior]

You suck as a troll time to eat another lunch

 

[Scam likely]

12 of 15 natties and 140 - 2 ,dual record. The good guys don't wrestle meat grinder tournament until the end of the year or give DT recruiting $ by entering the national duals.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

IF 1) PSU is by far the toughest dual team AND 2) Iowa and PSU otherwise schedule identical opponents,
THEN Iowa will have a tougher schedule than PSU.

PSU controls what it can control. It can't become too concerned with ****-measuring contests about schedule toughness.

 

[MPPosterDeuce]

What's your opinion on this. If it better to wrestle a schedule that's brutal like Iowa's schedule, or something like this?
View attachment 1048416

Or is Cael chicken s*** and doesn't want to wrestle the toughest until March?
What's truly better, being on the big stage almost every time you hit the mat, or having 12-14 matches and only wrestling what the B1G puts in front of you?
We suffer a lot of injuries, tough losses and seem to fade in March. While S*** St. (sometimes) have just enough matches to qualify for the B1G's. But seem to peak in March.

I love our schedule, but I'm beginning to question it. We keep sliding back from what we're used to (Winning Nat's).

Let's hear what you have to say.

Penn State has the #2, #3, #5, #8, and #10 ranked teams on their schedule and you're complaining that it's too easy? That's ridiculous. It's not as difficult as Iowa's schedule, I'll grant you that. But that certainly doesn't make it easy. They're still facing all the top teams in the bigten.

One more thing to keep in mind. Iowa also has a really high strength of schedule because they have a match against the #1 team... something that's literally impossible for Penn State to do

 

[dt21]

somebody hit a nerve

 

[Sharkey1203]

Penn State has the #2, #3, #5, #8, and #10 ranked teams on their schedule and you're complaining that it's too easy? That's ridiculous. It's not as difficult as Iowa's schedule, I'll grant you that. But that certainly doesn't make it easy. They're still facing all the top teams in the bigten.

One more thing to keep in mind. Iowa also has a really high strength of schedule because they have a match against the #1 team... something that's literally impossible for Penn State to do

They wrestle the #2 and #4, those are assigned to them by the B1G.
Not sure where you got your ranking info, but if I were you, I wouldn't go back to it.

 

[pish69]

They wrestle the #2 and #4, those are assigned to them by the B1G.
Not sure where you got your ranking info, but if I were you, I wouldn't go back to it.

He got it directly from Intermat..see below..click on tournament rankings

https://intermatwrestle.com/rankings.html/ncaa-di-r59/

 

[Sharkey1203]

He got it directly from Intermat..see below..click on tournament rankings

https://intermatwrestle.com/rankings.html/ncaa-di-r59/

Ya, got it, other than Stanford, all assigned by B1G.

Iowa has #1, #2 (twice), #4, #5, #6 (twice), #8, #12, #14, #18, #20, and #21

 

[trufan]

Ya, got it, other than Stanford, all assigned by B1G.

Iowa has #1, #2 (twice), #4, #5, #6 (twice), #8, #12, #14, #18, #20, and #21

Are you suggesting Penn state should wrestle Big Ten teams twice to try to make their schedule harder?
Not sure what you are trying to say.

 

[trufan]

Half there team just wrestled in World Championships.
Doesn't get any tougher than that.

 

[SJP80]

Been over this, but might as well DO IT AGAIN!!! YES it is a HUGE mistake to wrestle this schedule BUT being in IOWA and being the HAWKS demands it!!!

I gave the analogy about the NY Yankees. The DEMAND on the team is most often much greater then everyone else. What does that mean??? It means they have to play mostly PRIME TIME, they have to do more interviews, when they travel to other cities, they also have more "obligations"

The HAWKEYES are in the same boat!!! There is obviously the B1G schedule. Add the tradition(s) of wrestling Oak st etc.... Put in National duals and you now have a HEAD SCRATCHING BRUTAL schedule that for the most part, just tears you up!!!!

This is the FACTS my friends and you have to UNDERSTAND TRAINING to understand what this means!!! For example, to go into a meet such as Beliemaire(or whatever the team was-NO offense because they wrestled TUF!!!!) Our guys would not have to be a PEAK performance levels. To wrestle in the National duals however- you need to be FIRING on ALL cylinders!!!

Now you not only have to wrestle TOP competition once, now maybe 2-3-4-5 TIMES!!!! Just look at Ohio st, IOWA wrestled them, then they wrestle them again, then they see them at B1G Ten championships, then NCAAs.

AND I get IRON sharpens IRON!!! Problem is, that "IRON" better be treated and used correctly otherwise it can "break down!!!" We go to DAN GABLES book THE IOWA WAY once again. APPARENTLY I am the only one here who READ the darn thing!?!?!?!? There is a whole section about PEAKING and it is a "wave" pattern.

Problem is, IOWA schedule leaves NO time to implement a peaking schedule. I am also NOT certain of POS ncaa regulations and/or pos IOWA administrations "over watch" about TRAINING!?!?!? and this is HUGE!!! IF constrains are placed on TRAINING, COACHING, DRILLING etc.... That also makes early season matches just plain STUPID!!!

LOVED the National duals, time of year is STUPID!!! but when could you have it??? NO great answer!!!!

If I was IOWA, I wouldn't even compete till after New Year!!!! I would work technique, situations, drills, bring in outside guys from all over to spare with. Then get at it with B1G schedule!!!

So let me get this right, you are happy wrestling the current Iowa schedule and would not trade that schedule even if that meant you would have 7-8 more team championships over the past decade and another 20-30 individual championships. That being Iowa demands that tough schedule and you would not trade that tough schedule cause it is demanded. And these same people that are looking for the Brands' heads because of the lack of National and Individual champions would not be satisfied with those championships because of the chicken sh*t schedule Iowa would have wrestled to win those championships. OK, sure

 

[Corby2]

Half there team just wrestled in World Championships.
Doesn't get any tougher than that.

And the schedule was made way before they knew who would even be on the teams . I don't think penn St schedule is that bad and like I said before they don't need to schedule like others because they have unbelievable room depth and the plan is obviously working and has worked