I don't think he ever played on offense at UK, although the threat of competing against a 6' 4" 220# TE that had a vertical of 39" in high school might have cost us the highly regarded "Jon" guy from Louisville that ended up at Illinois and disappeared, at least to me.
Schlarman extended through 2018
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I don't think he ever played on offense at UK, although the threat of competing against a 6' 4" 220# TE that had a vertical of 39" in high school might have cost us the highly regarded "Jon" guy from Louisville that ended up at Illinois and disappeared, at least to me.
Only one valid reason for giving him this extension at this point though (besides it being mitch) and that is to improve our chances of having TWO five stars possibly starting in 17, with THREE other four stars in the lineup-----it will be hard for anyone to start more, although we should have an excellent blocking four star TE helping on running plays. An amazing thought at UK, the very adequate 07 OL averaged about a 5.2 as commits, the best one being a 5.1.
But then four and five stars get a LOT of evaluation from the rankings services, if one fails it will probably be a character defect, not potential, like the habitual criminal jurich vouched for at Transfer U.
Brooks ended up with great position coaches at both the OL and DL positions, IMO, but the reason Joker, the Recruiting Coordinator that observed both of them up close (who did most of the recruiting then) fired both of them is that they didn't like to leave the city limits to recruit, again JMO. Both ended up going to prestigious programs I believe.
Hopefully we now have an OL coach that can both coach AND recruit.
What noone seems to point out though, is the team that those Brooks oline had around them. They had a great QB that made quick decisions and was accurate. Had a really good running back, great WR, and a great TE. That made of them have t respect our offense more and couldnt just pin their ears back.
Stoops team has not had that. We have good skill players other than QB. Our QB play has added to the pressure on the oline. Towles couldn't consistently hit shorter, quicker routes. So teams could just come after him, making him use his weakness. That puts even more strain on a young oline. Yes, I know Towles is not allowed to be questioned by most around here, but he cause a lot of the issues as well. Barker just wasn't ready to come in to combat that.
The recruiting Schlarman has been able to do in this state warrants a raise by itself. The guy got a 50k raise it's not like Mitch made him one of the highest paid OL coaches in the country. He might sign his 2nd five star tackle and his 4th Army/UA All American in 2 years. He was also pivotal is signing Bunchy Stallings and Logan Stenberg who look to be studs. If any assistant on Brooks staff had signed that kind of talent we would be bitching that the guy only got 50k and calling Mitch cheap. Shouldn't the guy get 2 more years to see what he can do with all of the talent he's brought in? Hell of course the next guy would look pretty damn good if he walked into a group with a center and two tackles that were Army or UA all Americans and had legit Bama offers. What we will see in the next 2-3 years will be one of te best offensive lines this school has ever seen
Excellent post.
Maybe some fans have forgotten that we have never signed a five star in our history before this year, (could have had a couple in basketball, signed several of them before they were invented) and he may be key in bringing in two in two years. And as you pointed out there are several others that probably have about as much potential as any we have signed this century.
Very impressive group, now we have to have them live up to their potential, but I think he has a huge leg up with this group.
I see the point you're trying to make but technically we signed 5 star talents in Tim Couch, Dennis Johnson and Antonio Hall. All were considered among the top 25 prospects in America even though there were no ratings systems back then I don't think.
People are going to see it from their perspective (and I'm fully part of that crowd)....
1. Woodson's early problems were he held the ball too long and took to many sacks and wasn't a great decision maker. But he always had really good accuracy which he built a great career upon.
2. Little, Tamme, Burton, SJohnson, Lyons were really good skill guys. But Boom, Conrad, Juice, are really good players IMO. (not a huge fan of Dorian Baker, Timmons, etc..).
So again, I'm not sure Schlarman's total team he's had to work with at the OL and other offensive spots is really all that worse than past UK teams. Let's see how he does this year (I'll go on record and argue if the tackles are Mosier/Meadows and Leavitt is so behind he cna't take a spot...we'll be again poor at OL for a 4th year under Schlarman). But there was no reason to up him another few years IMO.
Not my job to decide whether he deserved the extension now or not, but I am encouraged because to me the only legit reason for doing it at this time is that someone thinks it will get us a signature from a certain five star, and frankly I think the talent coming up at this position makes almost anyone there a very good coach.
He wasn't about to jump ship with the opportunity to coach this talent and make a huge impression on all the great programs with the unit he molded at lowly UK, name someone with better talent that was about to offer him. Plus he is coaching at his alma mater.
I also think that having this talent on our OL to play with should be a huge incentive for a highly rated local player to join them.
Therefore I take it as good news.
He wasn't about to jump ship with the opportunity to coach this talent and make a huge impression on all the great programs with the unit he molded at lowly UK, name someone with better talent that was about to offer him. Plus he is coaching at his alma mater.
I also think that having this talent on our OL to play with should be a huge incentive for a highly rated local player to join them.
Therefore I take it as good news.
Poor play is one thing, but all the holding calls, oh my goodness! I think a record must have been broken against Tennessee alone. Every time there was a positive offensive play it was called back for holding. I see yellow flags in my dreams after UK games!
I think that is in your nightmares, holding (which is such a judgement call in a lot of cases) and blocking in the back on returns are my two nightmares. I honestly think it might be prudent for coaches to outlaw blocking on returns, it is amazing to me how obvious and stupid some of those look, and how often they occur.
But the main point you said was that Woodson was accurate. So yes, that team was better due to that reason alone. Also, I disagree that Woodson wasn't a good decision maker. You don't have his numbers if you dont. It's starts with the QB and Woods is 3 times the player Towles or any other QB under stoops has been.
I think you're on to something JP, let's face it besides not having any experienced and talented upperclassmen to depend on when he came, there are other reasons that the oline has not performed. The QB, is the main cog, the longer drop he takes and the more time he takes to throw puts a lot of pressure on the tackles. The type of offense is also essential to the makeup of the oline personnel and last redshirting is almost always needed in the SEC, I use George as an example. So let those complain but I honestly can't see the change until these things happen. Plus it's great to hear recruits say they love him.
The blame game goes on like an ongoing weekend poker game. Decades of frustration will lead to pointing fingers and constant criticism of the coaches.
Posters miss the point. The blame goes to decades of athletic directors who for whatever reasons neglected and ignored the football program in a time when the rest of the SEC built better infrastructure and recruited at whatever it took to win. In those years, we touted how many academic successful football players represented our 1-10 teams. There hasn't been a major emphasis on football since 1962. That's the issue. This isn't about our current coaches, this frustration is about losing for decades in ways that defy belief.
Posters miss the point. The blame goes to decades of athletic directors who for whatever reasons neglected and ignored the football program in a time when the rest of the SEC built better infrastructure and recruited at whatever it took to win. In those years, we touted how many academic successful football players represented our 1-10 teams. There hasn't been a major emphasis on football since 1962. That's the issue. This isn't about our current coaches, this frustration is about losing for decades in ways that defy belief.
So were Curci, Brooks and Claiborne eras at UK with no major emphasis on football?
I get UK has been the 2nd worst program in SEC for eons....but the mindset that we can't expect some reasonable performance due to bad runs in UK history is a headscratcher. This alone was probably the reason with Curry lasted as long as he did with bad teams. At some point the guy in the seat can show things on field or it's time to tryl the next one. I'm not saying Stoops is time to go....but it's certainly a problem for me to see him and coaches get more extensions that lock UK down with no options (outside of Marrow).
Football is all about coaching. The eleven players on each side of the ball tend to even out when it comes to 4.40s vs 4.50s, etc. It's the strategists, the motivators, the innovators, and the developers that make programs successful.
All it takes is a great head coach to make miracles happen. Then the coach moves on and you find another miracle worker, or he stays for the long haul. Either way, you've had success in the short term, and that builds to a long term.
Bump to this thread...another great extension by UK football.
- Jedrick Wills go to Bama...so Schlarman had nothing to do with keeping our best OL recruit in a while.
- OL falls apart in 2nd half...especially edge pass rushers own Schlarman coached OL unit.
- Jedrick Wills go to Bama...so Schlarman had nothing to do with keeping our best OL recruit in a while.
- OL falls apart in 2nd half...especially edge pass rushers own Schlarman coached OL unit.
I have been on here talking about replacing him for the past two years or so and yet I am told all the time by the experts on the board of how awesome he is as a coach I'm waiting for this awesomeness to show itself.
I know we have had our differences on the subject of our staff especially with me hamoring on both line coaches and our defense.
Im just wondering on what your thoughts are after southern miss made adjustments? Still think we have the staff?
Can't say I was impressed with the trenches on either side of the ball. Both were equally horrible. Elam should have destroyed those turds and they abused him. I'm really at a loss of words to be honest. I don't think we have much talent on the Dline but we should have played better than we did. We have too much talent on the Oline to play like we did. Is it on the coaches or did the players just not show up? I don't know who you blame for that performance it was bad on all fronts
In my opinion its on the coaches because thats pretty much how we look for the past 4 seasons now.
If we continue to look like we do (same as the other 3 seasons) will you change your stance on these position coaches?
All im wanting to do is put an excellent product on the field and save Stoops job along with some of the good coaches we have.
I've never been a person that's unwilling to change my stance when new evidence or perspectives present themselves. There are very few things in this world that I'm unwilling to change my opinion of. I will also readily admit when I've been wrong. I'm not to the point of wanting to can Schlarman, Eliot, and Brumbaugh but my opinion of them is not as high as it has been after what happened tonight
What's that coach.....Morrison or something, that lives in Lexington now..... he should have replaced are present OL coach when stoops run Dawson off......oh' yeah' Guy Morrison......he could teach Schalrman a few tricks...............he had are OL plowing the roll when he was here, this loyalty coaches have for each other outweighs there will to win.......self preservation I guess..............:boxing:
Is this a bad attempt at sarcasm?
Morrison? Really?
And seriously, are is not our (twice).
We were up 35-10.
We lost by 9.
Barker didn't have time to do anything...against a terrible defense.
8-deep OLine got WORKED by CUSA.
Schlarman should turn in his extension and walk.
We lost by 9.
Barker didn't have time to do anything...against a terrible defense.
8-deep OLine got WORKED by CUSA.
Schlarman should turn in his extension and walk.
Ok then, make Schlarman recruiting coordinator and replace him with an OL coach that knows what TF they're doing.
Hard to believe how brainwashed the UK fanbase is.
Is not getting smoked by a CUSA team in our home opener after 4 years too much to ask?
Unreal.
I think you misunderstood my comment. San Antonio was deriding fans as being impatient who want Stoops fired, implying they want instant gratification. I was pointing out he has had 4 years and that doesn't make it instant gratification. It's inexcusable to get smoked by a CUSA team in our home opener.
I was agreeing with you. I just didn't word it very well. LOL
This fanbase has been conditioned to accept low expectations and excuses.
We're on the same wavelength.
O line was supposed to be much better this year ,cant see any improvement,most are returning starters
my wording not to great collegeboy being pissed is being pissed with OUR train wreck of a FB team.................[sick]
So what is your take now since our line got demolished? Southern miss starts a guy who hasn't played OT in 4 years and a freshmen and looked tremendous compared to our guys. These are all guys are low ranked as well.
I will continue to harp on we need to replace our whole D scheme fire Scharlman, Brumbaugh and Eliot. Been saying it for a long time and will continue to preach it.