SCOTUS Rules You Can Refuse Service to Same-Sex Couples

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"White's only" businesses would be committing economic suicide.

This isn't 1956 Montgomery anymore, folks. The idea that "laws hold back the floodtide of moral depravation" is insane thinking. We've socially evolved a lot in 60 years.
It depends on where you live. 1956 Montgomery still exists is plenty of small towns, and but for the Civil Rights Act, there would still be people that couldn't eat in restaurants or get hotels. Also, if it became legal to discriminate again and rely on the business owners to decide, there would be plenty of people moving to places where like minded people got together to exclude people. Plenty of counties surrounding Louisville were rural, but got populated by folks in the 60s and 70s leaving Louisville to avoid the bussing mandates and trying to avoid their kids going to school with blacks.
 

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Letters from Paul don’t rank as high as the words of Jesus. I guess you place them on the same level or greater.

A man that remarries until he dies would be unrepentant correct? Or does he just have to say sorry? Wouldn’t a gay person be in the same predicament?

Can’t we agree that hardcore Christians seem to be fixated on gay people? This lady would probably not be bothered by doing a wedding webpage for a divorced person. You don’t find that incongruous?

I mean, Jesus pretty clearly has a take on divorce. It is pretty explicit but your type can easily handwave it away.
It’s natural to pick and choose what you disagree or agree with more depending on what you are concerned with in your life.

The Bible says you shouldn’t wear different textures of fabric either, that’s damn near impossible to do.

I don’t see why you don’t think a business shouldn’t be able to decide who to take as a client. Why does it bother you?

Lawyers say no to people all the time.
 

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It depends on where you live. 1956 Montgomery still exists is plenty of small towns, and but for the Civil Rights Act, there would still be people that couldn't eat in restaurants or get hotels. Also, if it became legal to discriminate again and rely on the business owners to decide, there would be plenty of people moving to places where like minded people got together to exclude people. Plenty of counties surrounding Louisville were rural, but got populated by folks in the 60s and 70s leaving Louisville to avoid the bussing mandates and trying to avoid their kids going to school with blacks.
Again, just like the trans issue you’re picking at a tiny little percentage of things that MIGHT/COULD happen but isn’t ever going to be rampant.

If you think legislation will stop racism, well good luck. Every group of people has racists and they always will. Hell some black oriole are racist against other black oriole because of the darkness or lightness of their skin.
 

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Can’t get it to not show up like this whatever but below is not what Dore said it’s what I’m replying with including the direct quote below:


I don’t know anyone that does that stuff today and haven’t seen it in a decade plus. I’ve not saying openly racist anything in public in forever maybe two decades and if I heard it I would say something.

You’re SOOOOOOOO out of touch if you think this is normal public behavior or if you think we’d revert back to that.

98% of people you see out are not okay with that behavior.

I’ve been to many small rural towns and still never get that vibe. Also, every town has a Mexican restaurant so they’d be fine lol.

Just relax, you people are blowing every little iota into a HUGE BIGOTRY EVERYWHERE HELLLLLLPPP! Story which it isn’t.

And you realize this ruling means blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQ Could all do the same to whites or whoever as well.

If someone said we don’t serve your kind here I’d say okay cool I’ll spend my money next door. Wouldn’t give one touch.

Did exactly that in Key West when I lived there during Covid.

If a bar said gotta put a mask on to come in. Cool, we’ll take all six of us and go to the bar literally next door and drop a few hundos, your loss.

That’s how that works, bubba.
You are obviously not from Appalachia where some towns have one store.
 
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It’s natural to pick and choose what you disagree or agree with more depending on what you are concerned with in your life.

The Bible says you shouldn’t wear different textures of fabric either, that’s damn near impossible to do.

I don’t see why you don’t think a business shouldn’t be able to decide who to take as a client. Why does it bother you?

Lawyers say no to people all the time.
The double negative lost me on this one.
 

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It depends on where you live. 1956 Montgomery still exists is plenty of small towns, and but for the Civil Rights Act, there would still be people that couldn't eat in restaurants or get hotels. Also, if it became legal to discriminate again and rely on the business owners to decide, there would be plenty of people moving to places where like minded people got together to exclude people. Plenty of counties surrounding Louisville were rural, but got populated by folks in the 60s and 70s leaving Louisville to avoid the bussing mandates and trying to avoid their kids going to school with blacks.
Really. Where are these places? Because some of the most happily diverse parts of this country appear to be the south.

I was bussed the first year of bussing in Louisville. Spending a ton of time that year on the bus was not ideal. People did move out of the city, but because they wanted control over their kids’ education and did not want their kids on the road for an hour each day. Bussing was, as a whole, a total disaster. And, it was not the suburbanites that ended the fiasco. It was a bad idea. I left black friends in the east end to be bussed downtown for one year. There were good experiences, but overall it was nuts.
 

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Really. Where are these places? Because some of the most happily diverse parts of this country appear to be the south.

I was bussed the first year of bussing in Louisville. Spending a ton of time that year on the bus was not ideal. People did move out of the city, but because they wanted control over their kids’ education and did not want their kids on the road for an hour each day. Bussing was, as a whole, a total disaster. And, it was not the suburbanites that ended the fiasco. It was a bad idea. I left black friends in the east end to be bussed downtown for one year. There were good experiences, but overall it was nuts.
I’ve heard it said that in Appalachia, black and whites identify as equals based purely on economics. Lots of towns—even in Mississippi.
 

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Really. Where are these places? Because some of the most happily diverse parts of this country appear to be the south.

I was bussed the first year of bussing in Louisville. Spending a ton of time that year on the bus was not ideal. People did move out of the city, but because they wanted control over their kids’ education and did not want their kids on the road for an hour each day. Bussing was, as a whole, a total disaster. And, it was not the suburbanites that ended the fiasco. It was a bad idea. I left black friends in the east end to be bussed downtown for one year. There were good experiences, but overall it was nuts.
I prosecuted the people that were protesting bussing in the 70s. There were shootings, firebombings, etc. I know plenty of people involved that moved to Bullitt County, not because those schools were better, but because there were no blacks. There are parts of Bullitt County to this day that are extremely racist. It stays hidden generally because there are laws against it, which there should be.
 
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I prosecuted the people that were protesting bussing in the 70s. There were shootings, firebombings, etc. I know plenty of people involved that moved to Bullitt County, not because those schools were better, but because there were no blacks. There are parts of Bullitt County to this day that are extremely racist. It stays hidden generally because there are laws against it, which there should be.
I lived out in a part of the state that has diversity and people of all races got along as family. In fact, many were family. I know quite a few really good people who live in Bullitt Co. This is not the 70s. And, I know good people from the 70s and 80s that moved to Oldham so their kids would not ripped around.
 

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You are obviously not from Appalachia where some towns have one store.
I am not from there but been there and if you think those people are worried about a a Supreme Court ruling changing how they think or act well you’re not from there either.

You really think Jeb that owns the “one store in town” gives one **** about or has he even heard of the Supreme Court? If that dude doesn’t want to serve someone he won’t. He’s not worried about the lawdog coming around because he’s dropping n bombs and telling them to leave the store.
 

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I am not from there but been there and if you think those people are worried about a a Supreme Court ruling changing how they think or act well you’re not from there either.

You really think Jeb that owns the “one store in town” gives one **** about or has he even heard of the Supreme Court? If that dude doesn’t want to serve someone he won’t. He’s not worried about the lawdog coming around because he’s dropping n bombs and telling them to leave the store.
You have not been there much, talking about "Jeb" and whether he knows about the Supreme Court. Some of the best lawyers I've ever met came from the mountains of eastern Kentucky, and yes they do follow the law there. I'm not from there, I'm originally from Hardin County, but I lived in the mountains for 10 years. I lived in Louisville for 40 years, raised my kids there, and now I'm in Western Kentucky not too god awfully far from Owensboro. I know this Commonwealth and its people. You have a simplistic view of people in general, but especially in Kentucky. If you don't think there are racist communities, you've never been in Todd County.
 
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I lived out in a part of the state that has diversity and people of all races got along as family. In fact, many were family. I know quite a few really good people who live in Bullitt Co. This is not the 70s. And, I know good people from the 70s and 80s that moved to Oldham so their kids would not ripped around.
I know plenty of great people in Bullitt County, but I also know plenty of people that are racist and moved to Bullitt County so their kids didn't have to be around blacks. I get that it was 40-50 years ago, but plenty of those people are still alive. I didn't say everyone, or anyone for that matter, in Bullitt County is racist. I just stated a fact that a big part of northern Bullitt County was populated by people leaving Jefferson County to avoid bussing (while some will say the time of being on a bus was the problem, most just didn't want their kids with blacks. As I said, I prosecuted those people and attended the protests. People weren't bitching about the time their kids spent on a bus.)
 

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I know plenty of great people in Bullitt County, but I also know plenty of people that are racist and moved to Bullitt County so their kids didn't have to be around blacks. I get that it was 40-50 years ago, but plenty of those people are still alive. I didn't say everyone, or anyone for that matter, in Bullitt County is racist. I just stated a fact that a big part of northern Bullitt County was populated by people leaving Jefferson County to avoid bussing (while some will say the time of being on a bus was the problem, most just didn't want their kids with blacks. As I said, I prosecuted those people and attended the protests. People weren't bitching about the time their kids spent on a bus.)

Racists still exist. Racist counties?

There are over 83,000 people in Bullitt country. That number was about 61,000 in 2000. The Bullitt County population was not created because some racist protestors wanted to get out of Louisville in the 70s. Let’s not exaggerate.

My parents were not happy I was being bussed as a grade schooler. Race was not their reason.
 

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I believe it has been explained here that the ruling is extremely narrow and limited to "expressive" services. Ordinary commerce has not been changed.
 

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I believe it has been explained here that the ruling is extremely narrow and limited to "expressive" services. Ordinary commerce has not been changed.
True but Rogue and others for some reason want to argue that public accommodation laws should be abolished because everyone gets along now with no problems.
 

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The message from the left: free speech sucks, unless we approve it.
Don’t confuse free speech with discriminatory and hate speech you of tiny mind. Now don’t get all woke and get angry because I called you tiny mind. Just accept and embrace this fact.🥳
 

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I know plenty of great people in Bullitt County, but I also know plenty of people that are racist and moved to Bullitt County so their kids didn't have to be around blacks. I get that it was 40-50 years ago, but plenty of those people are still alive. I didn't say everyone, or anyone for that matter, in Bullitt County is racist. I just stated a fact that a big part of northern Bullitt County was populated by people leaving Jefferson County to avoid bussing (while some will say the time of being on a bus was the problem, most just didn't want their kids with blacks. As I said, I prosecuted those people and attended the protests. People weren't bitching about the time their kids spent on a bus.)
Has society gotten better, yes. Mainly due to some of the policies, laws, and rulings from the civil rights laws eras. But racism is still abundantly alive and well and also the long term ramifications of this country’s past and if you continue to chiose not to believe that you are the problem.

And let’s be real, most people are using there so called christianity to cloak their bigotry.
 
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"most people are using [there] so called christianity to cloak their bigotry."
LOL - at the risk of stating the obvious, the irony is no doubt lost on you chief...
 
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Don’t confuse free speech with discriminatory and hate speech you of tiny mind. Now don’t get all woke and get angry because I called you tiny mind. Just accept and embrace this fact.🥳
In other words, you support and emulate my point. Thanks. It’s rare to get someone who opposes your position to step right in and prove it as true.
 

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Racists still exist. Racist counties?

There are over 83,000 people in Bullitt country. That number was about 61,000 in 2000. The Bullitt County population was not created because some racist protestors wanted to get out of Louisville in the 70s. Let’s not exaggerate.

My parents were not happy I was being bussed as a grade schooler. Race was not their reason.
Bullitt County's population doubled in the 70s
 
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You don’t even have to read that far into the case to see:

“Ms. Smith and the State stipulated to a number of facts:

-Ms. Smith is ‘willing to work with all people regardless of classifications such as race, creed, sexual orientation, and gender,’ and she, ‘will gladly create custom graphics and websites’ for clients of any sexual orientation…”



If you guys would just read the damn case, it may clear up a lot of your confusion.

Nah theyd much rather read vox or vice's take on the opinion. That way they can feel virtuous when they go parrot the nonsense to their friends and post it online in as many places as they can. All to help the cause. Facts be damned.
 
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Is that where you live? Small town Appalachia?

As someone who's very familiar with small town Appalachia, there isn't any town that doesn't have a Walmart within 30 minutes. Additionally you can order whatever you want online. Plus if we're talking cakes, DQ and numerous ladies in the specific areas also make cakes.

It's all just some made up scenario to try to justify ramming beliefs down someone's throats rather than just finding a different business relationship. If I go to a restaurant and they don't serve what I want, I go somewhere else. It's really that easy until you realize it was only ever about bringing financial misery to anyone they thought disagreed with them
 

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Not reading 300+ posts. But, these folks weren't being asked to provide an ongoing existing service but a new & different product. Big difference for me & thus SC is correct imo.
 
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Nah theyd much rather read vox or vice's take on the opinion. That way they can feel virtuous when they go parrot the nonsense to their friends and post it online in as many places as they can. All to help the cause. Facts be damned.
People who look on Breitbart, NewsMax, or OAN as credible news sources have no high ground when it comes to feeling virtuous when they parrot the nonsense to their friends and post it online in as many places as they can. All to help a cause. Facts be damned. Your side takes it even further with Q-Anon. You do you though.
 
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People who look on Breitbart, NewsMax, or OAN as credible news sources have no high ground when it comes to feeling virtuous when they parrot the nonsense to their friends and post it online in as many places as they can. All to help a cause. Facts be damned. Your side takes it even further with Q-Anon. You do you though.

I gave you facts, logic, law, and application of law to fact. I never visited any of those sites and never will.

Your posts remind me of an argument I saw from another poster in another thread that started "I choose to believe". That isn't how it works. Facts are facts. Courts long held expression and acts constitute speech and I even cited the landmark case (iirc) which defined that, because it dealt with burning the us flag.

Tolerance and respect is a two way street. It's well beyond time for that concept to be brought back into society.
 

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It’s probably doubled since then. And, your point is all of the people were racists? Come on counselor.
If you read my original post, I clearly say that I'm calling no one racist. But, I know that tons of people left Jefferson County in the 70s to avoid bussing. Also, I'm no longer counselor. I retired long ago and have been out of that game since the late 80s, early 90s.
 
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I gave you facts, logic, law, and application of law to fact. I never visited any of those sites and never will.

Your posts remind me of an argument I saw from another poster in another thread that started "I choose to believe". That isn't how it works. Facts are facts. Courts long held expression and acts constitute speech and I even cited the landmark case (iirc) which defined that, because it dealt with burning the us flag.

Tolerance and respect is a two way street. It's well beyond time for that concept to be brought back into society.


I linked a PDF of the case for him, directly quoted the case multiple times and gave him a plain english explanation of the actual holding he was misconstruing because of his continued refusal to read the source document.

There is no hope for some people.
 
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I gave you facts, logic, law, and application of law to fact. I never visited any of those sites and never will.

Your posts remind me of an argument I saw from another poster in another thread that started "I choose to believe". That isn't how it works. Facts are facts. Courts long held expression and acts constitute speech and I even cited the landmark case (iirc) which defined that, because it dealt with burning the us flag.

Tolerance and respect is a two way street. It's well beyond time for that concept to be brought back into society.
Facts are facts except to republicans who tout “alternative facts”. The post I responded to was nothing but opinion.
 
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I linked a PDF of the case for him, directly quoted the case multiple times and gave him a plane english explanation of the actual holding he was misconstruing because of his continued refusal to read the source document.

There is no hope for some people.
You are right. You absolutely are hopeless.
 
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Facts are facts except to republicans who tout “alternative facts”. The post I responded to was nothing but opinion.

Another overgeneralization that refuses to address my arguments. This should trigger someone to pause and wonder if they're logically on the correct side of an argument.

Instead it's full speed ahead of npc, muh feelings nonsense
 
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Another overgeneralization that refuses to address my arguments. This should trigger someone to pause and wonder if they're logically on the correct side of an argument.

Instead it's full speed ahead of npc, muh feelings nonsense
You make no arguments. You spin opinion as facts. Hell, SCOTUS rulings aren’t even facts. They are opinions on law where majority rules. When they rule, they release opinions either concurring or dissenting.