SEC may expand restrictions on transfers with arrest records

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Personally I don't agree with this. Some of these young men actually do find redemption with an opportunity for a new start and with new mentors in their lives. Each school should be able to make their own decision on who to admit to their programs. The problem with Baylor wasn't that a kid with past problems transferred there, It was the fact that they shielded these players from punishment and covered up their crimes. If they make the player accountable for their actions, and work with the law as opposed to acting like they are above it then this problem would be dealt with.
 
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Personally I don't agree with this. Some of these young men actually do find redemption with an opportunity for a new start and with new mentors in their lives. Each school should be able to make their own decision on who to admit to their programs. The problem with Baylor wasn't that a kid with past problems transferred there, It was the fact that they shielded these players from punishment and covered up their crimes. If they make the player accountable for their actions, and work with the law as opposed to acting like they are above it then this problem would be dealt with.
Especially if they play for Bobby in Louisville, right? They show up with bags of trouble and arm-length rap sheets in their past, then get to UL and never even step on a crack again. It's amazing the rehab success rate UL has. Like, uncanny.

EDIT: Sorry, I'm still laughing at this. Has to be a troll post. Dude. Self-awareness. You need some.
 
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How come this is not an NCAA issue? Seems to me that they would want to have an image that they do not condone violence against women, robbing stores etc etc
 

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don't think the stiff shirts at the ACC will sit back & not follow suit with similar restrictions, much to UL & Petrino's chagrin
 

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This all sounds funny but In reality it isn't for teams like UK
Personally I don't agree with this. Some of these young men actually do find redemption with an opportunity for a new start and with new mentors in their lives. Each school should be able to make their own decision on who to admit to their programs. The problem with Baylor wasn't that a kid with past problems transferred there, It was the fact that they shielded these players from punishment and covered up their crimes. If they make the player accountable for their actions, and work with the law as opposed to acting like they are above it then this problem would be dealt with.

Honestly players with these type of crimes should not be allowed back at the D-1 level if convicted. They must play down a level to show some punishment for what they did..
 

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How come this is not an NCAA issue? Seems to me that they would want to have an image that they do not condone violence against women, robbing stores etc etc
same with drug tests. Not a fair playing field when schools like Kentucky & Georgia actually piss test guys AND punish for failing results when opponents like ul or Tennessee sweep it under the rug.
 

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same with drug tests. Not a fair playing field when schools like Kentucky & Georgia actually piss test guys AND punish for failing results when opponents like ul or Tennessee sweep it under the rug.

True but I would venture to guess that Georgia may ease up a bit now that holier than thou Richt is gone.
 

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huge difference between someone who may smoke the devil's lettuce and someone who beats up women or commits robbery/assault. I'm glad that UK actually has a bit of a moral standard. Yeah it sucks sometimes when we lose guys because of it, but you can still win and act like a civilized program. Programs that cut corners to succeed will eventually pay for that.
 
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As I said before, I am not a fan of the rule. I look at a recent Kentucky case with Tubman. He has not been convicted of a crime. Kentucky certainly did not shield him from the law. From every indication it appears the young man has not been in trouble with the law and is innocent of the crime he was charged with. However, under this new rule he would not be allowed to transfer to another SEC school.

We don't need new rules for this sort of thing. Each school must make their own decisions about who the allow to participate. If a person on an chemistry scholarship committed a similar crime, nothing would bar them from transferring. So why should this apply to someone on an athletic scholarship?

If they want to put a rule in place then direct it towards the schools who try to cover-up the crimes and bad behavior of their players and coaches. The problem with the Baylor case isn't the fact that they gave transfers a second chance. The problem is they created a culture where players felt they were exempt from the law. They actually protected these players from punishment as opposed to turning them over to the authorities. That is the situation that must be stopped because it isn't just transfer students who are going to commit these crimes.
 

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As I said before, I am not a fan of the rule. I look at a recent Kentucky case with Tubman. He has not been convicted of a crime. Kentucky certainly did not shield him from the law. From every indication it appears the young man has not been in trouble with the law and is innocent of the crime he was charged with. However, under this new rule he would not be allowed to transfer to another SEC school.

We don't need new rules for this sort of thing. Each school must make their own decisions about who the allow to participate. If a person on an chemistry scholarship committed a similar crime, nothing would bar them from transferring. So why should this apply to someone on an athletic scholarship?

If they want to put a rule in place then direct it towards the schools who try to cover-up the crimes and bad behavior of their players and coaches. The problem with the Baylor case isn't the fact that they gave transfers a second chance. The problem is they created a culture where players felt they were exempt from the law. They actually protected these players from punishment as opposed to turning them over to the authorities. That is the situation that must be stopped because it isn't just transfer students who are going to commit these crimes.

Like... dead cheerleaders in FB players' dorms or 2 players beating down a 3rd in a locker room? Those kind of cover ups where the local paper refuses to run the story in order to protect the school? Those kinds of cover ups?
 

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Honestly players with these type of crimes should not be allowed back at the D-1 level if convicted. They must play down a level to show some punishment for what they did..

If we are going with what should be done, they should be convicted and sent to prison like the rest of us who aren't college athletes would be sent. By the time they are released their eligibility clock has run out. If that ends his career, his choice, it would certainly have ended mine as an educator and a good number of other jobs. Just because someone is a good athlete doesn't mean he should get a handful of get out of jail free cards.
 
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Whatever those cover-ups might be they should be brought to the light and the guilty punished. If that means they should go to jail, they should go to jail. However, not every situation is a cover-up. And not every player who might be involved in these situations are guilty. The rule would apply for a player who was arrested for a crime. That doesn't mean they actually committed a crime, they are just being accused of one. It wasn't that long ago when Chuck Hayes was being accused of rape. He was completely innocent of the crime, but under these guidelines he would not have been allowed to transfer to another SEC school. That is not a criteria I feel comfortable supporting.