Second Quarter thread - IA @ NU

[GatoLouco]

37 pts at the half would be pretty decent in most games. But it’s horrible at the pace this game is being played.

IA is the 3rd highest scoring offense in the country. 2nd amongst legit teams just behind Gonzaga who plays much lower competition.

Why do we play at such a fast pace against them. No clue. Seems suicide.

 

[DaCat]

Dude, your thread title needs fixing.. it's half, not quarter.

 

[GatoLouco]

Dude, your thread title needs fixing.. it's half, not quarter.

NU math: 1/4 + 1/4 = 1

 

[peatymeanis]

Where’s all that talent Chris Collins has recruited to NU?

 

[SDakaGordie]

NU math: 1/4 + 1/4 = 1

I think Collins feels like he has to play up-tempo as a general rule to get the program’s recruiting to a point where we are at the same level as other programs. We’re obviously not there yet, which is (still) frustrating, but we’re making progress, and I believe on the right path to sustained competitiveness.

 

[Cat Fan in Buckeye Land]

Do they take some bad shots, yes, but offense generates enough good shots. They just need to make them...by contrast, Iowa doesn’t miss!

 

[DaCat]

How come no one can make any open shots on this team? Literally.

 

[corbi2961]

Do they take some bad shots, yes, but offense generates enough good shots. They just need to make them...by contrast, Iowa doesn’t miss!

If you can’t consistently make them, then they are not good shots. Every good team and individual player must know what they can and cannot do and play accordingly. A good coach knows his team’s strengths and weaknesses and devises game plans to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses. I am not seeing much self awareness on the part of NU players or coaches.

 

[ThirdCoast_rivals291969]

Do you double Luka and let them have wide open threes? Doesn’t seem to be working. Then again, letting Luka work 1:1 doesn’t seem to work either.

 

[DaCat]

I can't watch this anymore. I don't expect us to make 100% of the shots, but a lot of the looks are either wide open or mildly contested, and we still miss. It's been that way for the past 3 years.

 

[ThirdCoast_rivals291969]

A frustration quick 3 by Buie, who nearly had a TO there. Maybe let Young go to work on Luka inside and try and get him into foul trouble?

 

[Jonny2TheP]

This is our biggest problem. As soon as we get down by 10-15 points, we get completely out of our offense and start just chucking up garbage. Starting to question how much this team has really grown. It seems as soon as they face a hole, they completely fold.

Iowa is a great team and playing great, but we’ve completely given up. It’s obvious.

 

[SDakaGordie]

If you can’t consistently make them, then they are not good shots. Every good team and individual player must know what they can and cannot do and play accordingly. A good coach knows his team’s strengths and weaknesses and devises game plans to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses. I am not seeing much self awareness on the part of NU players or coaches.

That requires a change to the entire offensive system, or you’ll end up with a lot of forced looks near the end of the shot clock. I think the better approach is to stay the course and allow them to play a fast-paced system and keep recruiting better players.

 

[peatymeanis]

If you can’t consistently make them, then they are not good shots.

There don’t exist enough good shots by your definition over the course of a single game for this current NU team to consistently win conference games. The players simply aren’t good enough. Our problems are 80% talent, 20% scheme.

 

[ThirdCoast_rivals291969]

Isn't Gaines a senior? I think they keep getting that wrong.

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

If you can’t consistently make them, then they are not good shots. Every good team and individual player must know what they can and cannot do and play accordingly. A good coach knows his team’s strengths and weaknesses and devises game plans to maximize strengths and minimize weaknesses. I am not seeing much self awareness on the part of NU players or coaches.

I agree with you 100%. I wonder how much of this is because Collins came from Duke? When you have NBA level talent at every position, what is a "good shot" is very different from here at NU. I'm sure his former players had some limitations, but not like what he's dealing with in Evanston. We need to see if he can adjust his offensive scheme to the talent we have.

 

[GatoLouco]

Maybe down by 25 with 10 to go could be an opportunity to play Berry at the point

 

[JournCat]

There don’t exist enough good shots by your definition over the course of a single game for this current NU team to consistently win conference games. The players simply aren’t good enough. Our problems are 80% talent, 20% scheme.

Every announcer mentions Collins’ complex offense like it’s on a bingo card. (Pete Nance’s dad and brother are also in the NBA and we made our first tournament a few years ago.) We can’t scheme out of being unable to dribble or create consistent offense beyond periods of hero ball.

 

[SDakaGordie]

I agree with you 100%. I wonder how much of this is because Collins came from Duke? When you have NBA level talent at every position, what is a "good shot" is very different from here at NU. I'm sure his former players had some limitations, but not like what he's dealing with in Evanston. We need to see if he can adjust his offensive scheme to the talent we have.

I’m not a basketball coach, but that seems like an impossible task.

 

[peatymeanis]

Every announcer mentions Collins’ complex offense like it’s on a bingo card. (Pete Nance’s dad and brother are also in the NBA and we made our first tournament a few years ago.) We can’t scheme out of being unable to dribble or create consistent offense beyond periods of hero ball.

What does Pete Nance’s family have anything to do with anything? Michael Jordan’s sons both sucked.

When we made our first tournament, our talent was good. Right now, our talent is bad. It’s a simple concept.

 

[SDakaGordie]

What does Pete Nance’s family have anything to do with anything? Michael Jordan’s sons both sucked.

When we made our first tournament, our talent was good. Right now, our talent is bad. It’s a simple concept.

We’re not very good, but we’re not bad either. How’s that for depth of insight?

 

[corbi2961]

That requires a change to the entire offensive system, or you’ll end up with a lot of forced looks near the end of the shot clock. I think the better approach is to stay the course and allow them to play a fast-paced system and keep recruiting better players.

Then be ready to get blown out anytime you face a talented team. Collins is dealing with a talent deficit relative to upper echelon Big Ten teams like Iowa and Michigan but he compounds the problem by forcing a style of play on his players they are not capable of playing effectively. Collins is not getting the most out of his talent.

 

[peatymeanis]

We’re not very good, but we’re not bad either. How’s that for depth of insight?

we’re the 3rd or 4th worst team in the conference. I think that’s bad

 

[SDakaGordie]

Then be ready to get blown out anytime you face a talented team. Collins is dealing with a talent deficit relative to upper echelon Big Ten teams but he compounds the problem by forcing this team to play offensively in a way that it is not capable of.

Yup. Fair point, but I’ve been waiting 30+ years to get to the same talent level, and Collins is our best chance to get there.

 

[jensberg]

We get nothing from Beran game after game

 

[SDakaGordie]

we’re the 3rd or 4th worst team in the conference. I think that’s bad

It’s common knowledge this is the best conference in the country.

 

[GatoLouco]

All this talk of whether we have talent or not...

Regardless, sub par talent or not, it’s not normal to get steam rolled by 30 at home.

 

[corbi2961]

Yup. Fair point, but I’ve been waiting 30+ years to get to the same talent level, and Collins is our best chance to get there.

Fine, but the best way to get there is to adjust your systems to maximize the talent of this team. The best way to recruit better talent is to win more games. You think Fitz loved throwing the ball 50+ times a game when we ran the spread? It wasn’t his cup of tea but he did it because it Gave the football team the best chance to win at the time. Because of those past successes he has recruited better talent and can now play the style he prefers to play.

 

[corbi2961]

There don’t exist enough good shots by your definition over the course of a single game for this current NU team to consistently win conference games. The players simply aren’t good enough. Our problems are 80% talent, 20% scheme.

I don’t agree. This team could compete better day in and day out with a slower, more deliberate style of play.

 

[SDakaGordie]

Fine, but the best way to get there is to adjust your systems to maximize the talent of this team. The best way to recruit better talent is to win more games. You think Fitz loved throwing the ball 50+ times a game when we ran the spread? It wasn’t his cup of tea but he did it because it Gave the football team the best chance to win at the time. Because of those past successes he has recruited better talent and can now play the style he prefers to play.

Good points again. But basketball is a lot fewer guys to deal with. I have to believe Collins recruits them based on playing a certain style and system. He’s not going to just throw that out, especially after a 3-0 start to the BigTen. Announcers like his schemes for good reason; they get us good shots most of the time, even given the sub-par talent we have. What are other schemes that will help us when we don’t have the talent for any one player to consistently beat his man? More Princeton? Don’t think we want that again, and high-level recruits sure don’t. I think Collins has a plan and he’s pounding the rock trying to get there. Iowa is crazy good; we can’t overreact and change the whole system.

 

[willycat]

Good points again. But basketball is a lot fewer guys to deal with. I have to believe Collins recruits them based on playing a certain style and system. He’s not going to just throw that out, especially after a 3-0 start to the BigTen. Announcers like his schemes for good reason; they get us good shots most of the time, even given the sub-par talent we have. What are other schemes that will help us when we don’t have the talent for any one player to consistently beat his man? More Princeton? Don’t think we want that again, and high-level recruits sure don’t. I think Collins has a plan and he’s pounding the rock trying to get there. Iowa is crazy good; we can’t overreact and change the whole system.

Now he's needs to get Admissions to loosen up.

 

[peatymeanis]

I don’t agree. This team could compete better day in and day out with a slower, more deliberate style of play.

let’s rehire Carmody and run the Princeton again /s

 

[peatymeanis]

It’s common knowledge this is the best conference in the country.

Loser talk.

 

[SDakaGordie]

Loser talk.

Yes - facts are for losers. Good points always come to this with some folks.

 

[corbi2961]

let’s rehire Carmody and run the Princeton again /s

Nonsense. How about Collins deploys his talent in a way that wins the most games? Good coaches are not married to one style of play. Play the style the players you recruited are able to play and then recruit players that can play the style you prefer.

 

[peatymeanis]

Yes - facts are for losers. Good points always come to this with some folks.

whining about the strength of your conference is literally what losers do

 

[SDakaGordie]

whining about the strength of your conference is literally what losers do

Facts are not whines.

 

[willycat]

Nonsense. How about Collins deploys his talent in a way that wins the most games? Good coaches are not married to one style of play. Play the style the players you recruited are able to play and then recruit players that can play the style you prefer.

Guess that was one reason Carmody was let go.

 

[CatJones]

The announcers today said our offense had a lot of Princeton offense features. I haven't seen it, except for a couple of back door cuts earlier in the year, and Nance facing the basket when he is playing the 5.

 

[peatymeanis]

Nonsense. How about Collins deploys his talent in a way that wins the most games?

“How about calling plays that result in touchdowns?” Same logic that you are deploying.

The fact is that our players aren’t good enough to play in any scheme and be successful in this conference.