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fatguy87

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You do realize we have no clue how good this team will be with or without him? He's a good player but man idk why people are acting like he was the gem of the portal and we needed him to have a chance. Wouldn't even have been out best transfer.
And even regarding our shooter from last season, Brea, how often did the board lament his poor defending?

Every player is the missing piece. Every player is all positives and no negatives until they play.

I would not be surprised that if Wilkerson came here, there would be many lambasting him for poor defending as soon as he has a mediocre game. They'd clamor for more minutes for Chandler or Noah because they show heart and effort.
 
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45% three-point shooting on eight 3 point attempts per game doesn't grow on trees.

Pretending that we can find that in the portal tomorrow is absurd.
I know what is that people aren't getting Pope has picked up all the good defenders and a good distributor we needed the 45% 3 point shooter (6'5") we don't have this no where to be found on the roster. Like you said these don't grow on trees.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Did Houston have a star player this year? No they had 7-8 good players who excelled in their roles. This oh you gotta have a star player to win stuff is silly.
But they aren't the archetype for how to build a national champion; and ultimately, they lost when it mattered to a team with a real star. Is the ultimate goal a Final Four or a national championship?

It's not wise to go into a season pointing to anomalies as a reason to have hope. Plus, at the end of the day, Houston lost to a team who was dominant offensively, a Florida team that also had enough competency defensively to shut down Houston when it mattered most.

How many national champions have won it all without having a star-level player?
 

Son_Of_Saul

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I know what is that people aren't getting Pope has picked up all the good defenders and a good distributor we needed the 45% 3 point shooter (6'5") we don't have this no where to be found on the roster. Like you said these don't grow on trees.
A lot of the same fans were pinpointing the absolute necessity of getting some high-quality wing scoring in the portal just two days ago.

The narrative shifted the moment Wilkerson opted for IU. It's like some of our fans cannot bring themselves to face reality, and the reality is that getting bushwacked for elite shooters (Yates, Wilkerson, Pierre) does not bode well if your ultimate goal is to win it all. It demonstrates that you're not getting the guys you wanted and thought would be the best fit. Lose a few targets? Sure, it happens; but losing Lewis AND failing to land a legit portal guard? That's immensely deflating because we've seen what missing out on a critical piece in the past does to real titles hopes. Meeks in 2010; Kanter in 2011; Wiggins in 2014; Stanley Johnson in 2015; Brown in 2016; Bridges in 2017; Young in 2018; Reddish in 2019. The same "we'll be fine" fans in those years downplayed those misses the same way they're downplaying missing on Pierre, Yates, and Wilkerson.

We're going to end up having a missing piece or two. That gets frustrating.
 
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bnewt

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Didn’t he just get off of a visit to St. John’s? I think they are a heavy favorite, but would be nice to jump in there.
surely Pitino can't get all of these guys.........Jackson, Lewis & this guy
yes, he is a great coach. but does he have that much $ to spend?
 
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A lot of the same fans were pinpointing the absolute necessity of getting some high-quality wing scoring in the portal just two days ago.

The narrative shifted the moment Wilkerson opted for IU. It's like some of our fans cannot bring themselves to face reality, and the reality is that getting bushwacked for elite shooters (Yates, Wilkerson, Pierre) does not bode well if your ultimate goal is to win it all. It demonstrates that you're not getting the guys you wanted and thought would be the best fit. Lose a few targets? Sure, it happens; but losing Lewis AND failing to land a legit portal guard? That's immensely deflating because we've seen what missing out on a critical piece in the past does to real titles hopes. Meeks on 2010; Kanter on 2011; Wiggins on 2014; Stanley Johnson on 2015; Brown on 2016; Bridges on 2017; Young on 2018; Reddish on 2019. The same "we'll be fine" fans in those years downplayed those misses the same way they're downplaying missing on Pierre, Yates, and Wilkerson.

We're going to end up having a missing piece or two. That gets frustrating.
I totally agree with everything you said. These same fans that say we have the money to go toe to toe then we need to go toe to toe with schools to get these pieces. The Dents, Yates, Wilkersons, Pierres, and Laniers (from last year) are going where the $ is spare me the BS of the being close to home nonsense.
 

JwUKFan11

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A lot of the same fans were pinpointing the absolute necessity of getting some high-quality wing scoring in the portal just two days ago.

The narrative shifted the moment Wilkerson opted for IU. It's like some of our fans cannot bring themselves to face reality, and the reality is that getting bushwacked for elite shooters (Yates, Wilkerson, Pierre) does not bode well if your ultimate goal is to win it all. It demonstrates that you're not getting the guys you wanted and thought would be the best fit. Lose a few targets? Sure, it happens; but losing Lewis AND failing to land a legit portal guard? That's immensely deflating because we've seen what missing out on a critical piece in the past does to real titles hopes. Meeks in 2010; Kanter in 2011; Wiggins in 2014; Stanley Johnson in 2015; Brown in 2016; Bridges in 2017; Young in 2018; Reddish in 2019. The same "we'll be fine" fans in those years downplayed those misses the same way they're downplaying missing on Pierre, Yates, and Wilkerson.

We're going to end up having a missing piece or two. That gets frustrating.
Been crying all night. Good lord dude this **** was embarrassing a week into the portal and it’s embarrassing now. There are still plenty of guys that know how to shoot a basketball out there, Wilkerson doesn’t break this team and wasn’t even an option 5 days ago. I’m sorry he broke your heart but pull yourself together.
 

JwUKFan11

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I totally agree with everything you said. These same fans that say we have the money to go toe to toe then we need to go toe to toe with schools to get these pieces. The Dents, Yates, Wilkersons, Pierres, and Laniers (from last year) are going where the $ is spare me the BS of the being close to home nonsense.
Second most money spent in the portal. You guys should just make a crying thread so nobody has to read this ****.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Been crying all night. Good lord dude this **** was embarrassing a week into the portal and it’s embarrassing now. There are still plenty of guys that know how to shoot a basketball out there, Wilkerson doesn’t break this team and wasn’t even an option 5 days ago. I’m sorry he broke your heart but pull yourself together.
You really seem to struggle with receiving differing forms of opinions without turning it into an ad hominem campaign.

Seriously. The second I saw that you had quoted me, before I even read your comment, I knew I was in for another "you're bad, because you don't agree with me" response on your end.
 
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bnewt

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I think we should go all in on Ian Jackson at this point. I like Sellers and I also like Cedric Coward. But they are west coast kids and west coast kids just never seem to pan out for us.
go after both Sellers & Coward........can still use more scorers
don't think the kid from Bama is going to be a big scorer. he may help on defense & rebounding
does anyone know if UK has contacted either
 
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Second most money spent in the portal. You guys should just make a crying thread so nobody has to read this ****.
I'll tell you what if you don't like what we're talking about you can just skip over it or block us. Why is it other people think they have the right to tell people how they can be a FAN on here.
 
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Son_Of_Saul

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Second most money spent in the portal. You guys should just make a crying thread so nobody has to read this ****.
What do you think the purpose of a sports message board is? It really does seem like you don't get around much in the realm of message board communities.
 
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bnewt

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No. I’m not referring to a specific person, actually. We need to get good enough talent —- we don’t have to have the elite of the elite talent. We need pieces that work together, want to be here and want to stay here. Continuity matters more than raw talent.
very few are going to stay at one school like the old days
this free agency has made that a distant memory
 

bnewt

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You said the same thing about Donovan Dent, Caleb Wilson, Chaz Lanier, etc.

Maybe we just don't offer enough money? Why is that outside of the realm of possibility?
good business to start out low, IF you know that you will get a chance to increase your offer
just like buying a car or home, you don't do in with your top offer at the start with no room to NEGOTIATE,
especially IF you have the $ to use
 

bnewt

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I feel you on that. And I don’t know the full reasons why and I almost threw my computer out the damn window at work today when i found out about Wilkerson lol. I think we are good though —- honestly.
do you HONESTLY believe that?
There are several missing pieces and a lot of unknowns.......no shooting guard, no scoring small forward, uncertainty regarding JQ, unknown of Johnson, how effective will the point guard be and will Oweh return?
 

MachineHead

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Did Houston have a star player this year? No they had 7-8 good players who excelled in their roles. This oh you gotta have a star player to win stuff is silly.
Just playing devil’s advocate here but they didn’t win, either. Florida had Clayton, who made the play of the game, and they won
 

JwUKFan11

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You really seem to struggle with receiving differing forms of opinions without turning it into an ad hominem campaign.

Seriously. The second I saw that you had quoted me, before I even read your comment, I knew I was in for another "you're bad, because you don't agree with me" response on your end.
Poor guy didn't get the 30th ranked transfer portal guy. Time to cry and say he was the one that made us a final four team! Baby.
 

JwUKFan11

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I'll tell you what if you don't like what we're talking about you can just skip over it or block us. Why is it other people think they have the right to tell people how they can be a FAN on here.
If you weren't irrational and were just having conversations sure but you're talking about how we won't spend money yet we have spent the 2nd most to Michigan. Make that make sense.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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Poor guy didn't get the 30th ranked transfer portal guy. Time to cry and say he was the one that made us a final four team! Baby.
More ad hominem. I'm not personally insulting you for your viewpoint. You're entitled to think what you want. I support that. But you're the one that's claiming everyone else is having an emotional meltdown. Think about that in light of what you're accusing others of.

I mean, you're a grown man and you're calling another man a baby? Think about that.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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A lot of the same fans were pinpointing the absolute necessity of getting some high-quality wing scoring in the portal just two days ago.

The narrative shifted the moment Wilkerson opted for IU. It's like some of our fans cannot bring themselves to face reality, and the reality is that getting bushwacked for elite shooters (Yates, Wilkerson, Pierre) does not bode well if your ultimate goal is to win it all. It demonstrates that you're not getting the guys you wanted and thought would be the best fit. Lose a few targets? Sure, it happens; but losing Lewis AND failing to land a legit portal guard? That's immensely deflating because we've seen what missing out on a critical piece in the past does to real titles hopes. Meeks in 2010; Kanter in 2011; Wiggins in 2014; Stanley Johnson in 2015; Brown in 2016; Bridges in 2017; Young in 2018; Reddish in 2019. The same "we'll be fine" fans in those years downplayed those misses the same way they're downplaying missing on Pierre, Yates, and Wilkerson.

We're going to end up having a missing piece or two. That gets frustrating.
that is true but there are still good options available. Still time for some to enter, Amy e a late NBA returnee and we could snag a great foreign player nobody even knows we are recruiting. I get what you are saying and I’d have definitely preferred to lock him down and have our shooter. We are so close to having a great roster. Lewis leaving still sucks especially this late.
 

stuway

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Ok good sane posters are in here agreeing with bnewt and fighting with Jw who is pretty sane.

Come on guys, we are all pissed about Wilkerson, but we have more time in the portal here

Calm down and have faith in Pope. At least wait until our roster is finalized to claim.we are missing pieces.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Did Houston have a star player this year? No they had 7-8 good players who excelled in their roles. This oh you gotta have a star player to win stuff is silly.
I think JL Cryer was a star player. Sharpe was very solid, but yes most of the team was guys who were in the system for a long time and excelled together.
 
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JwUKFan11

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More ad hominem. I'm not personally insulting you for your viewpoint. You're entitled to think what you want. I support that. But you're the one that's claiming everyone else is having an emotional meltdown. Think about that in light of what you're accusing others of.

I mean, you're a grown man and you're calling another man a baby? Think about that.
When every single time something doesn't go your way, or Pope wasn't getting Portal guys fast enough, or we lose a guy that you think is the missing piece, or god forbid you remember you were Jeremy Fears teacher. I have to see your dumb posts complaining then yes I think you're a child.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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But they aren't the archetype for how to build a national champion; and ultimately, they lost when it mattered to a team with a real star. Is the ultimate goal a Final Four or a national championship?

It's not wise to go into a season pointing to anomalies as a reason to have hope. Plus, at the end of the day, Houston lost to a team who was dominant offensively, a Florida team that also had enough competency defensively to shut down Houston when it mattered most.

How many national champions have won it all without having a star-level player?
I do think Oweh will be a star player this year FR though. I would love to get him some help but I could see a Jasper Johnson or someone being a lot better than expected too.
 

BBNinSC_rivals62411

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We need to start doing some analytics on what it will take to actually lure some elite kids here and not try to underpay them. We got JQ for cheap. That shizz won't cut it long-term.

This program still doesn't have a killer mindset. You get the deal done when you're in the 11th hour with someone like Wilkerson. Calling it anything else but that is BS. We were all saying as much yesterday until it didn't happen, and now the narrative is changing once again.
Let’s not forget that Wilkerson is the 42nd rated player in the portal. That is lower than JP, Williams or Lowe.
The coaching staff is smart enough to not pay top dollar for this guy. He’s a shooter that doesn’t defend or rebound, UK will end up with a better player than this.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Let’s not forget that Wilkerson is the 42nd rated player in the portal. That is lower than JP, Williams or Lowe.
The coaching staff is smart enough to not pay top dollar for this guy. He’s a shooter that doesn’t defend or rebound, UK will end up with a better player than this.
Lowe and Williams are rated higher than him on 24/7.
 
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BBNinSC_rivals62411

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It’s can’t I agree, but we can also acknowledge when we have been used. Kentucky was used here.
This is annoying. You have no insight into the negotiations between Kentucky and any player.
I believe that UK folded when the stakes got too high. Wilkerson should not get paid like a top 5 portal guy. Let Indiana desperately overpay, Kentucky doesn’t need to.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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It’s can’t I agree, but we can also acknowledge when we have been used. Kentucky was used here.
I definitely think he was always going to Indiana, but used a strong push by us to get way more than he deserved out of them before committing. Apparently he got a job for someone close to him as well. I’m sure this happens often but I remembered how enamored he seemed playing in Assembly Hall for some reason. I had hope with all the news that our visit changed his mind but that wasn’t the case. I do think Indiana was desperate for a good player and vastly overpaid for his services. I would have loved to finish the class out with him but we also may not have enough cash left, or Pope felt he wasn’t worth the extra money(some say he wasn’t even given a chance.) We can’t fault him for that.
 
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