One of Feinstein's best! When you have the AD admitting guilt, punishment must be harsh! OFC
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NCAA vs. UNC - Will Anyone Come Out Of It Looking Good?
The NCAA has certainly hurt itself over the years with a certain, shall we say, high-handedness. On the other hand, UNC has completely shredded its own reputation. The scandal was bad enough but the reaction has made it 1,000 times worse.
Still, the NCAA can’t afford to not do something. Nearly two decades of academic fraud?
On the other hand, had UNC backed down and showed some humility and chagrin over the situation, their coming punishment would surely have been less.
https://www.dukebasketballreport.co...ne-come-out-of-it-looking-good-acc-basketball
The NCAA has certainly hurt itself over the years with a certain, shall we say, high-handedness. On the other hand, UNC has completely shredded its own reputation. The scandal was bad enough but the reaction has made it 1,000 times worse.
Still, the NCAA can’t afford to not do something. Nearly two decades of academic fraud?
On the other hand, had UNC backed down and showed some humility and chagrin over the situation, their coming punishment would surely have been less.
https://www.dukebasketballreport.co...ne-come-out-of-it-looking-good-acc-basketball
It is by John Feinstein so of course that makes it convenient for the Holes to play it off as simply a "Dookie" with an agenda. Truth hurts. Too bad it wasn't written by a non Dukie though, just so the Holes wouldn't have that angle to play.
Well, it is at cbssports.com. No idea why I can't link the article. Maybe some of you know which one I am talking about or you could google it if interested.
Well, it is at cbssports.com. No idea why I can't link the article. Maybe some of you know which one I am talking about or you could google it if interested.
Here you go:
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/
Here is another good read (please note the URL):
https://www.tarheelblog.com/2017/7/...a-ncaa-academic-scandal-response-hearing-date
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/07/26/feinstein-ncaa-must-hammer-unc-for-academic-fraud/
Here is another good read (please note the URL):
https://www.tarheelblog.com/2017/7/...a-ncaa-academic-scandal-response-hearing-date
And whatever happened to the old "The NCAA has announced that men's bball is totally in the clear and will not be effected" confidence of a year ago?
I don't know if I should get my hopes up yet or not...
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Dangit Dirt that is just straight up funny right there.I don't know if I should get my hopes up yet or not...
I'll add this pic here too.
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Dangit Dirt that is just straight up funny right there.I don't know if I should get my hopes up yet or not...
I'll add this pic here too.
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It turns out North Carolina's academic issues are in the NCAA's wheelhouse after all
But in documents released by the University of North Carolina on Tuesday, the NCAA's enforcement decision declared that they viewed the issues at UNC as within the NCAA's purview, creating a wide spectrum of punishment possibilities when the case is ultimately judged.
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...igation_is_in_ncaas_wheelhouse_after_all.html
But in documents released by the University of North Carolina on Tuesday, the NCAA's enforcement decision declared that they viewed the issues at UNC as within the NCAA's purview, creating a wide spectrum of punishment possibilities when the case is ultimately judged.
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske...igation_is_in_ncaas_wheelhouse_after_all.html
Oh you know they hate him over there, and I love it.
Dirt's got the Dirt on 'em, and the Grade A for those "cuts" is as phony as an A in fake classes! Classic OADD!!!
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unx alum Bob Lee posts in the "COMMENTS" section of the Feinstein article...
BobLee Says July 27, 2017 at 10:41 am
I am a UNC alum who is “estranged” from my alma mater over this and other issues… a key factor in the arrogant indignation from UNC loyalists over “this” is that for multi-generations so much of their own self-images were invested in the myth of “The Carolina Way” as manufactured and sold by Dean Smith. It was under Smith’s watch that this scam was born in 1992. … If the Humpty Dumpty of The Carolina Way is shattered, it cannot be “put back together again”.
UNC alums are certainly not the only alum/fans to believe in a myth of their College Athletics (FB/ MBB) piety. …. EVERYONE CHEATS – BUT US!
BobLee Says July 27, 2017 at 10:41 am
I am a UNC alum who is “estranged” from my alma mater over this and other issues… a key factor in the arrogant indignation from UNC loyalists over “this” is that for multi-generations so much of their own self-images were invested in the myth of “The Carolina Way” as manufactured and sold by Dean Smith. It was under Smith’s watch that this scam was born in 1992. … If the Humpty Dumpty of The Carolina Way is shattered, it cannot be “put back together again”.
UNC alums are certainly not the only alum/fans to believe in a myth of their College Athletics (FB/ MBB) piety. …. EVERYONE CHEATS – BUT US!
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Big difference Walter. Orientation courses for athletes are not used to meet the General Education requirements necessary for graduation.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
A shame @WalterByerz has blocked me. Too much of a coward for an open debate about his misinformed opinions regarding academic policy.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Another difference, courses developed for specific majors or cohorts have those restrictions listed in the course catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Crowder's classes, had they been published in the catalog, would not have listed any restrictions since they were Gen Ed perspective courses
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
While the word "fraud" has been avoided at all costs, how many human resources ACTIONS did UNC process in response to the fake classes?
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
Big difference Walter. Orientation courses for athletes are not used to meet the General Education requirements necessary for graduation.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
A shame @WalterByerz has blocked me. Too much of a coward for an open debate about his misinformed opinions regarding academic policy.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Another difference, courses developed for specific majors or cohorts have those restrictions listed in the course catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Crowder's classes, had they been published in the catalog, would not have listed any restrictions since they were Gen Ed perspective courses
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
While the word "fraud" has been avoided at all costs, how many human resources ACTIONS did UNC process in response to the fake classes?
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
UNC Apologists argue NCAA has no role in academics.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
When the NCAA does not charge academic misconduct, said Apologists consider that an endorsement of the legitimacy of academic classes.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
If NCAA has no role in academics, wouldn't their supposed endorsement (class legitimacy) be irrelevant? Can't have it both ways Tar Heels.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." -- Oogway
For UNC, that destiny is an 8 hour ride west on I-40.
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
UNC Apologists argue NCAA has no role in academics.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
When the NCAA does not charge academic misconduct, said Apologists consider that an endorsement of the legitimacy of academic classes.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
If NCAA has no role in academics, wouldn't their supposed endorsement (class legitimacy) be irrelevant? Can't have it both ways Tar Heels.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it." -- Oogway
For UNC, that destiny is an 8 hour ride west on I-40.
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Priority registration means you are at the front of the line, like graduate students, to register in courses PUBLISHED in the catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
In all of their many defenses, the Apologists have never been able to show Crowder's version of the AFAM classes were in the catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Don't we need to ask who's work though? Documents recovered indicate she awarded high grades to students for work not entirely theirs.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Of 150 papers recovered, 40% we determined to have 25% or more unoriginal work. Undisputed that Johnny was given an A- for Jimmy's work.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Isn't the record replete with examples of students receiving grades of ABs because they DIDN'T submit their work on time?
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
The grade they should have received was "F," a fatal blow to a fragile GPA. Instead they received the live-to-fight-another-day grade... AB
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Definition of AB: "would have passed if present for the exam." There was no exam
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
Priority registration means you are at the front of the line, like graduate students, to register in courses PUBLISHED in the catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
In all of their many defenses, the Apologists have never been able to show Crowder's version of the AFAM classes were in the catalog.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Don't we need to ask who's work though? Documents recovered indicate she awarded high grades to students for work not entirely theirs.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Of 150 papers recovered, 40% we determined to have 25% or more unoriginal work. Undisputed that Johnny was given an A- for Jimmy's work.
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Isn't the record replete with examples of students receiving grades of ABs because they DIDN'T submit their work on time?
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
The grade they should have received was "F," a fatal blow to a fragile GPA. Instead they received the live-to-fight-another-day grade... AB
A Poisoned Ivy @CheatingBlueRam
Definition of AB: "would have passed if present for the exam." There was no exam
https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
I’d feel some sympathy for UNC officials if they had earnestly tried to get to the bottom of all this. But instead of opening up, they lawyered up and stonewalled investigators. They blamed a false “media narrative” for forcing the NCAA to investigate and have distanced themselves from the Wainstein report
The school already has spent $18 million on the academic scandal, mostly in legal fees. It has not been money well-spent, either. Had Carolina officials fallen on their collective swords in 2011 and made an honest effort to atone, they likely they would have gotten off with minimum NCAA sanctions.
But if the NCAA fails to levy tough penalties on the Tar Heels, it forfeits any credibility as a neutral arbiter of fair play.
USC hires unx's Beth Bridger...
Mark Nagel @mnagel
I was in an Athletic Advisory meeting when Ms. Bridger was introduced & lauded for her excellent work at UNC http://www.gamecocksonline.com/genrel/beth_bridger_846109.html …
Mark Nagel @mnagelusc
Unfortunate that more people "higher up" who knew about the UNC scandal are not being held accountable
https://twitter.com/mnagelusc
Mark Nagel @mnagel
I was in an Athletic Advisory meeting when Ms. Bridger was introduced & lauded for her excellent work at UNC http://www.gamecocksonline.com/genrel/beth_bridger_846109.html …
Mark Nagel @mnagelusc
Unfortunate that more people "higher up" who knew about the UNC scandal are not being held accountable
https://twitter.com/mnagelusc
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Ted Tatos@TedTatos
2005 email from Cynthia Reynolds explains why UNC "independent studies" affected athlete eligibility.
Ted Tatos@TedTatos
Upon retiring, UNC department secretary Deborah Crowder left future of fraud class scheme to athletic dept. academic support employees.
2005 email from Cynthia Reynolds explains why UNC "independent studies" affected athlete eligibility.
Ted Tatos@TedTatos
Upon retiring, UNC department secretary Deborah Crowder left future of fraud class scheme to athletic dept. academic support employees.
Feinstein fires back...
Feinstein: I Let The Record Speak For Itself
I say this only because I get very damn tired anytime I write something the least bit critical of North Carolina — as in this circumstance — of having to deal with some people saying “You’re a Duke guy,” or the morons who, in this case, wrote things like, “How many easy sociology classes did you take at Duke?”
So why then did I write the column? Simple. I read what Bubba Cunningham said to CBS’s Dennis Dodd and thought much of it was outrageous, especially when he invoked the dreaded “student-athlete” phrase. There is NOTHING more hypocritical in sports than coaches and administrators invoking the “student-athlete” phrase when we all know that many, if not most, big-time athletes care only about becoming pros and take as many easy classes as they can. There’s nothing wrong with that, but Cunningham’s admission that academic fraud DID take place, but the NCAA didn’t have the authority to punish for this sort of fraud, made me a little bit nuts.
The investigation at Carolina dates to 1993, when Dean Smith was still coaching. The thought that he might have been involved in any way at all, makes me almost physically ill. So, I choose not to believe it.
But I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t mention the dates because they are FACTS. Being an adult isn’t always easy. Neither is being a reporter — especially when you know some people will always find a way to scream that you’re biased. The best I can do is let my record speak for itself.
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/08/01/feinstein-i-let-the-record-speak-for-itself/amp/
Feinstein: I Let The Record Speak For Itself
I say this only because I get very damn tired anytime I write something the least bit critical of North Carolina — as in this circumstance — of having to deal with some people saying “You’re a Duke guy,” or the morons who, in this case, wrote things like, “How many easy sociology classes did you take at Duke?”
So why then did I write the column? Simple. I read what Bubba Cunningham said to CBS’s Dennis Dodd and thought much of it was outrageous, especially when he invoked the dreaded “student-athlete” phrase. There is NOTHING more hypocritical in sports than coaches and administrators invoking the “student-athlete” phrase when we all know that many, if not most, big-time athletes care only about becoming pros and take as many easy classes as they can. There’s nothing wrong with that, but Cunningham’s admission that academic fraud DID take place, but the NCAA didn’t have the authority to punish for this sort of fraud, made me a little bit nuts.
The investigation at Carolina dates to 1993, when Dean Smith was still coaching. The thought that he might have been involved in any way at all, makes me almost physically ill. So, I choose not to believe it.
But I wouldn’t be doing my job if I didn’t mention the dates because they are FACTS. Being an adult isn’t always easy. Neither is being a reporter — especially when you know some people will always find a way to scream that you’re biased. The best I can do is let my record speak for itself.
http://radio.cbssports.com/2017/08/01/feinstein-i-let-the-record-speak-for-itself/amp/
unx fans call critics "obsessed" but every time one of those "critics" publishes an article , well , unx fans attack. Had to figure Harry Minium was the next target. "Obsessed" much , tarholes? Byerz , btw , is as obsessed as they come. As bad...if not worse...than B-Rad. "@ScottBlack" is psychotic...
Walter Byerz @WalterByerz
UNC advisors helped athletes they advised. Unlike at Oregon, UNC coaches don't keep players eligible by having them lift weights and run
Ron Pharr @ronpharr
Never heard back from you @Harry_MiniumVP You cared enough to bash #UNC but are U open minded where you can consider a different view?
Harry Minium@Harry_MiniumVP
At your suggestion, I private messaged @walterbyerz who I know and respect. I don't debate on Twitter, but will say you and I just disagree.
Bolt @keenun54
Mr. Minium's "article" is a factually inaccurate regurgitation. Hell, at least Dan Kane's lies were original
Scott B. @ScottBlack24
Considering that he straight-up lied in the article he wrote, it's no stretch to think that Harry would lie about this. And I doubt seriously that Harry has any idea who he is. I'm going to bet that Harry is a liar here to be honest. There are a number of people who have some idea of who Walter is in real life. Waiting for Harry to offer proof any kind of proof that he is ever met the person behind the Walter account. Until then he's simply a liar
Ron Pharr @ronpharr
Quite frankly, I'm not sure exactly *which N&0 storyline he was referencing. Over the years, their master wordsmith has invented numerous.
Merv Hage @merv_hage
hey Harry, Jesus does not like liars.
James Woody @imaheelsfan
Harry has NO idea who @WalterByerz is.
Walter Byerz @WalterByerz
UNC advisors helped athletes they advised. Unlike at Oregon, UNC coaches don't keep players eligible by having them lift weights and run
Ron Pharr @ronpharr
Never heard back from you @Harry_MiniumVP You cared enough to bash #UNC but are U open minded where you can consider a different view?
Harry Minium@Harry_MiniumVP
At your suggestion, I private messaged @walterbyerz who I know and respect. I don't debate on Twitter, but will say you and I just disagree.
Bolt @keenun54
Mr. Minium's "article" is a factually inaccurate regurgitation. Hell, at least Dan Kane's lies were original
Scott B. @ScottBlack24
Considering that he straight-up lied in the article he wrote, it's no stretch to think that Harry would lie about this. And I doubt seriously that Harry has any idea who he is. I'm going to bet that Harry is a liar here to be honest. There are a number of people who have some idea of who Walter is in real life. Waiting for Harry to offer proof any kind of proof that he is ever met the person behind the Walter account. Until then he's simply a liar
Ron Pharr @ronpharr
Quite frankly, I'm not sure exactly *which N&0 storyline he was referencing. Over the years, their master wordsmith has invented numerous.
Merv Hage @merv_hage
hey Harry, Jesus does not like liars.
James Woody @imaheelsfan
Harry has NO idea who @WalterByerz is.
All those years when unx sports teams were at the top of the ACC in academics and now they're , uhhh , not. What changed? Heck , it's almost like they had a decades-old academic scam designed to keep jocks eligible to play , got busted for it then could no longer report artificially-inflated numbers. Hmmm. Hinky...
#DFL
http://collegefootballnews.com/2017...r-program-analysis-apr-rankings-by-conference
#DFL
http://collegefootballnews.com/2017...r-program-analysis-apr-rankings-by-conference
All those years when unx sports teams were at the top of the ACC in academics and now they're , uhhh , not. What changed? Heck , it's almost like they had a decades-old academic scam designed to keep jocks eligible to play , got busted for it then could no longer report artificially-inflated numbers. Hmmm. Hinky...
#DFL
http://collegefootballnews.com/2017...r-program-analysis-apr-rankings-by-conference
Amazing, isn't it?
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165 months
Here is the timeline, again:
COI Hearing - mid August 2017
COI Issues Report - from mid-October to mid-November timeframe. UNC-CH will be given 24 hours notice of report release. Report is released to public with student-athlete names typically redacted in cases involving academics. The NCAA controls release, not UNC-CH.
UNC-CH would have 15 days to appeal to IAC ( Infractions Appeal Committee ) (Note 1 below describes grounds)
IAC does not have a specific timeframe, but it could be as long as 4 months given the complexity of case, therefore IAC rules mid-March 2018
NCAA process is complete.
UNC-CH may choose to sue the NCAA but as I have described in prior posts I believe that will be a difficult bar to clear.
Note 1:
32.10.4.1 Penalties. A penalty determined by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal except on a showing by the appealing party that the penalty is excessive such that it constitutes an abuse of discretion.
32.10.4.2 Findings. Findings of violations made by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal, except on a showing by the appealing party that:
(a) A finding is clearly contrary to the evidence presented to the Committee on Infractions;
(b) The facts found by the Committee on Infractions do not constitute a violation of the Association’s rules; or
(c) There was a procedural error and but for the error, the Committee on Infractions would not have made the finding of violation.
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165 months
Here is the timeline, again:
COI Hearing - mid August 2017
COI Issues Report - from mid-October to mid-November timeframe. UNC-CH will be given 24 hours notice of report release. Report is released to public with student-athlete names typically redacted in cases involving academics. The NCAA controls release, not UNC-CH.
UNC-CH would have 15 days to appeal to IAC ( Infractions Appeal Committee ) (Note 1 below describes grounds)
IAC does not have a specific timeframe, but it could be as long as 4 months given the complexity of case, therefore IAC rules mid-March 2018
NCAA process is complete.
UNC-CH may choose to sue the NCAA but as I have described in prior posts I believe that will be a difficult bar to clear.
Note 1:
32.10.4.1 Penalties. A penalty determined by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal except on a showing by the appealing party that the penalty is excessive such that it constitutes an abuse of discretion.
32.10.4.2 Findings. Findings of violations made by the Committee on Infractions shall not be set aside on appeal, except on a showing by the appealing party that:
(a) A finding is clearly contrary to the evidence presented to the Committee on Infractions;
(b) The facts found by the Committee on Infractions do not constitute a violation of the Association’s rules; or
(c) There was a procedural error and but for the error, the Committee on Infractions would not have made the finding of violation.
LOL. Just. LOL...
Art’s Angle: The Mission of Dean Smith
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Art’s Angle: The Mission of Dean Smith
http://chapelboro.com/sports/unc-sports/arts-angle-mission-dean-smith
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