Shane Beamer: pros and cons

[18IsTheMan]

As always, it helps to objectively make a pros/cons list. Trying to think of some serious things to list here. Feel free to add your own to either list. These are what I could come up with off the top of my head.

Pros
Young
Recruits to about our historic norm
Hired Lembo and White
2-2 against Clemson
Has some notable wins against ranked opponents
Doubt he'd ever leave for another job

Cons
Overall poor assessor of staff
Unable to identify good OC
Seems limited in ability to attract proven assistants
Weak at in-game adjustments
Worse SEC record through 5 years than Muschamp (3 games better than Brad Scott...widely agreed to be one of our most loathed HCs ever)

 

[92Pony]

If not for it being so subjective, I’d add being stubborn, arrogant, and thin-skinned to the cons.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If not for it being so subjective, I’d add being stubborn, arrogant, and thin-skinned to the cons.

I had stubborn, but I removed it for that reason. I guess you could call that a pro if you look at it a different way. But I think it comes across in his apparent refusal to make obvious in-game adjustments.

In the bowl game against Illinois, when it was very evident that Bielema was going to continue with the last second subs AND that the refs were going to allow it, instead of adjusting to he made substitutions, Beamer blew his top on the sideline. It might have cost us the game.

 

[Piscis]

I'd say a pro and con is his high energy, emotional personality. When things are going well, it makes everyone love him and shows how passionate he is. When things are going bad, he looks like an unhinged lunatic.

 

[Uscg1984]

I'll add a couple:

Pro:
It goes along with your "notable wins against ranked opponents," but being 6-2 against ranked teams in November is pretty impressive (7-1 would have been even more impressive) with 3 of those against top 10 teams. James Franklin would be envious of that stat.

Con:
The way our Heisman-candidate QB regressed this year.
Has become fodder for mockery in the media - I don't know how you recruit/hire against that.

 

[sclawman77]

I'd say a pro and con is his high energy, emotional personality. When things are going well, it makes everyone love him and shows how passionate he is. When things are going bad, he looks like an unhinged lunatic.

True, winning cures everything. If we had won by one point against A&M we'd be laughing about him firing up the fans at halftime and boasting during his in-game interview. "That’s just Shane being Shane". Unfortunately we're losing regularly now under Shane.

 

[Lurker123]

Not directly about him, but pro/con of keeping him.

If we change coaches, there will be a large portal exodus.

If we keep him, will that large exodus be less, similar or the same?

 

[Piscis]

Not directly about him, but pro/con of keeping him.

If we change coaches, there will be a large portal exodus.

If we keep him, will that large exodus be less, similar or the same?

Who could leave that would be a devastating loss?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Who could leave that would be a devastating loss?

Good question.

Stewart is the main one that comes to mind.

 

[Viennacock]

Unfortunately, a heavily weighted factor is the buyout. I don't disagree with the list but I think the buyout needs to be included in the pros.

Additional pro- he's a player's coach.

 

[Lurker123]

Who could leave that would be a devastating loss?

Stewart was my first thought too.

After that, the devastation might be the sheer numbers. If enough players bail, we're not NIL shopping to plug hiles, but to rebuild a roster.

 

[kidrobinski]

If not for it being so subjective, I’d add being stubborn, arrogant, and thin-skinned to the cons.

Sounds like people’s problem with Trump. I don’t view that as a liability.

 

[Piscis]

Stewart was my first thought too.

After that, the devastation might be the sheer numbers. If enough players bail, we're not NIL shopping to plug hiles, but to rebuild a roster.

Stewart isn't a game changer and it appears that he is not a great team player. Losing him wouldn't be devastating.

The numbers issue is probably going to be an issue no matter what. I won't be surprised to see a lot of names on the portal list no matter what happens with Beamer.

 

[sclawman77]

Stewart isn't a game changer and it appears that he is not a great team player. Losing him wouldn't be devastating.

The numbers issue is probably going to be an issue no matter what. I won't be surprised to see a lot of names on the portal list no matter what happens with Beamer.

Maybe consistency is an issue at times but then he can blow thru the oline like a cannon and hit the qb like he did against A&M which caused a scoop and score.

 

[Viennacock]

Stewart isn't a game changer and it appears that he is not a great team player. Losing him wouldn't be devastating.

The numbers issue is probably going to be an issue no matter what. I won't be surprised to see a lot of names on the portal list no matter what happens with Beamer.

Agree that he is not a great team player but he is a game changer. When you scheme around a player, he is a game changer. They are double teaming him and he's been held all season.

 

[Piscis]

Maybe consistency is an issue at times but then he can blow thru the oline like a cannon and hit the qb like he did against A&M which caused a scoop and score.

He is definitely talented but he isn't a player OCs have to scheme around.

 

[Piscis]

Agree that he is not a great team player but he is a game changer. When you scheme around a player, he is a game changer. They are double teaming him and he's been held all season.

Every DL in every game in the SEC is held all the time.

He is good but losing him wouldn't drastically change any outcomes.

 

[Viennacock]

He is definitely talented but he isn't a player OCs have to scheme around.

Please tell me you are kidding?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Not directly about him, but pro/con of keeping him.

If we change coaches, there will be a large portal exodus.

If we keep him, will that large exodus be less, similar or the same?

I would add, I've never been in favor of keeping coaches solely b/c we want certain players.

That's probably why we hung onto Teasley as long as we did, and look where that got us.

If we had a lot of attrition and 2026 was a rebuild year, that puts a year ahead of schedule, with Beamer being fired next year and hiring in 2027.

 

[Viennacock]

Every DL in every game in the SEC is held all the time.

He is good but losing him wouldn't drastically change any outcomes.

But every DL isn't double teamed. Crazy that you suggest teams don't scheme around him. Clear that you are trying to convince yourself he will not be missed.

 

[Lurker123]

I would add, I've never been in favor of keeping coaches solely b/c we want certain players.

That's probably why we hung onto Teasley as long as we did, and look where that got us.

If we had a lot of attrition and 2026 was a rebuild year, that puts a year ahead of schedule, with Beamer being fired next year and hiring in 2027.

Yeah.

Teasely is the perfect example of that mistake, imo.

If we are going to totally rebuild after Shane leaves, due to the portal, then its going to happen eventually. And what's that quote about things that need to be done eventually should be done immediately?

I also wonder we aren't headed for a mass portal exodus if we dont win both of the upcoming games.

 

[Piscis]

But every DL isn't double teamed. Crazy that you suggest teams don't scheme around him. Clear that you are trying to convince yourself he will not be missed.

I think they scheme around him as far as him being the best pass rusher we have but teams aren't saying "we can't run that play to that side because Stewart is over there" like they had to do with Clowney. I have seen plenty of plays run right at him.

He would be missed if all things remained equal but part of the staff's job is to recruit talent and a new talent could take his place. If he were injured, I don't think other teams would suddenly start scoring at will on us.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yeah.

Teasely is the perfect example of that mistake, imo.

If we are going to totally rebuild after Shane leaves, due to the portal, then its going to happen eventually. And what's that quote about things that need to be done eventually should be done immediately?

I also wonder we aren't headed for a mass portal exodus if we dont win both of the upcoming games.

The only truly talented player I'd be concerned about is Stewart, but he's gone after next year anyway.

I have to think Sellers has hurt his stock enough that there wouldn't be a ton of suitors. Maybe I'm wrong there. I'm sure he could transfer SOMEWHERE if he just wanted out, but I don't see him going to a top 15ish type program.

And, yeah, I'd expect some decent loss this year anyway just b/c it's been a crappy year. But how talented is the roster?

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Not directly about him, but pro/con of keeping him.

If we change coaches, there will be a large portal exodus.

If we keep him, will that large exodus be less, similar or the same?

This does not happen in a vacuum, if there is an exodus of players, there is usually a influx of players that follow a HC to his new job.

 

[Viennacock]

I think they scheme around him as far as him being the best pass rusher we have but teams aren't saying "we can't run that play to that side because Stewart is over there" like they had to do with Clowney. I have seen plenty of plays run right at him.

He would be missed if all things remained equal but part of the staff's job is to recruit talent and a new talent could take his place. If he were injured, I don't think other teams would suddenly start scoring at will on us.

Strongly disagree. I believe any football analyst would also disagree.

 

[Uscg1984]

I think in 99% of games, Stewart's tackle Saturday of the running back and QB simultaneously resulting in a scoop and score would be considered a "game changing" play. I think his double teams have allowed a lot of other guys to get sacks this year.

 

[Piscis]

I think in 99% of games, Stewart's tackle Saturday of the running back and QB simultaneously resulting in a scoop and score would be considered a "game changing" play. I think his double teams have allowed a lot of other guys to get sacks this year.

Stewart has 4.5 sacks on the season, Thomas has 6. Stewart has 17 solo tackles, Thomas has 21. Why isn't Thomas more valuable than Stewart?

Stewart is good, no doubt, but if he left it wouldn't gut the defense.

As to the "game changing" play, yes I guess it changed the loss from 8 points to 1.

 

[Viennacock]

Stewart has 4.5 sacks on the season, Thomas has 6. Stewart has 17 solo tackles, Thomas has 21. Why isn't Thomas more valuable than Stewart?

Stewart is good, no doubt, but if he left it wouldn't gut the defense.

As to the "game changing" play, yes I guess it changed the loss from 8 points to 1.

Continue trying to convince yourself.

 

[Sleepyhead]

Stewart isn't a game changer and it appears that he is not a great team player. Losing him wouldn't be devastating.

The numbers issue is probably going to be an issue no matter what. I won't be surprised to see a lot of names on the portal list no matter what happens with Beamer.

Stewart isn’t a game changer? He’s been fantastic in his first two years. I’ll admit he does give off the impression of not really caring, but when the ball snaps he plays well. It’s not like a quarterback where a transfer is needed to improve draft stock. Stewart can continue to make good money here and be a top ten pick next year.

 

[Uscg1984]

As to the "game changing" play, yes I guess it changed the loss from 8 points to 1.

Hence the "99%" part of my statement.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Beamer
Pro - energetic and communicates well with young athletes which is a positive for recruiting
Con - he is not a coach, much less a head coach

Beamer would be a dynamite recruiting coordinator