Sherrone Moore fired

[PSUHarry]

I think you’re missing the point because you are making things up like you go on weekend trips with these two and understand the relationship dynamics. If it comes out that he initiated this or was coercive - then I’ll agree with everything you said. You don’t know, so stop saying he lorded his power over her

It doesn’t really matter who initiated it. She may have. None of that matters.

it looks like if she ever wanted to break up with him there could be consequences. And there was when he broke into her house after she came clean. I wonder why she came clean and outed him? Because she was feeling great about him? Because she was afraid she would get fired?

Why do you think there are HR rules about this? He all but doubled her salary. You think that’s not exerting some control or power?
Talk to an HR person about the superior subordinate romantic relationships and let me know what they say.

The fact he went to her house and threatened to kill himself in front of her does not indicate some sort of manipulative control freak practice? The guy was unstable.

Why didn’t they report the relationship as consensual to management? Oh I forgot he was cheating on his wife. Another Michigan man full of integrity acting appropriately within 2 relationships at the same time. The guy was living 2 different lives for years. You know how much you need to control your environment to pull that off?

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[Connorpozlee]

He could have told her he had an open marriage--he could have told her anything but she has no obligation to have any respect for their marriage
He made the choice to ruin his family--not her. Again, she owed them nothing.

We don’t know a lot of facts, for sure.
But using just general common sense, I would guess she had a pretty good idea of whether or not he had an open marriage or not. If it’s right that she’s 32, she has certainly lived enough to not be just some inexperienced adult who doesn’t know how the world works or what the effects will be on three young children.
Your excusing her of not owing anything to that family tells me you are a guy that blocks a busy intersection because you feel like it. You don’t owe the other drivers anything.

 

[Connorpozlee]

They will have a rebuild but ours is worse. We basically have nonsense line at all. Strong rumor the whole group will opt out of the bowl game. That will provide a bit of an indication.

sure there is the portal but how many quality Olineman do you find there.

Well, we will also have Michigan’s recruiting class to buy as well as their roster.

 

[PSUHarry]

Well, we will also have Michigan’s recruiting class to buy as well as their roster.

Hope so. Will have to throw some cash around.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Hope so. Will have to throw some cash around.

If Freeman leaves for the NFL, we will also have them to pick apart.

 

[KingLando]

We don’t know a lot of facts, for sure.
But using just general common sense, I would guess she had a pretty good idea of whether or not he had an open marriage or not. If it’s right that she’s 32, she has certainly lived enough to not be just some inexperienced adult who doesn’t know how the world works or what the effects will be on three young children.
Your excusing her of not owing anything to that family tells me you are a guy that blocks a busy intersection because you feel like it. You don’t owe the other drivers anything.

We don't know others anything. Ultimately all decisions made in life should be what's best for you and your family. Period.

 

[Connorpozlee]

We don't know others anything. Ultimately all decisions made in life should be what's best for you and your family. Period.

Narccisism at its height.

 

[PSUHarry]

If Freeman leaves for the NFL, we will also have them to pick apart.

Would love that.

 

[LionJim]

Why didn’t they report the relationship as consensual to management?

If my experience as a college professor lifer means anything, I can say that best outcome in reporting the relationship as consensual would be having her transferred. HR basically has one marching order: shut down anything that would result in the university being sued.

 

[KingLando]

Narccisism at its height.

Narcissism is believing otherwise...that you somehow have the ability and need to control the actions of others based on your needs and desires.
Believing in life your decisions should be based around what best for you and yours isn't narcissistic at all.
In your scenario, you believe she has to do what is best for Moore.

 

[LionJim]

Delete

 

[PAgeologist]

If Freeman leaves for the NFL, we will also have them to pick apart.

Wonder if they have any unhappy recruits or players cause the Administration cried and sat out a bowl game?

 

[KingLando]

Wonder if they have any unhappy recruits or players cause the Administration cried and sat out a bowl game?

Doubtful...probably thrilled they didn't have to go to a bowl game

 

[psu0408]

Going out on a limb, but there’s not one dude here who gave up a dream job because they rejected propositions from their powerful female boss. If Sherrone Moore was the janitor, he’s not even asking for her number, let alone having an extramarital affair with her. Only reason they’re screwing is because of his position of power, which is why it’s never ok for a boss to be romantic with a subordinate.

And while we don’t know specifics about the relationship, well adjusted men don’t break into their lover’s home and threaten to kill themselves.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Narcissism is believing otherwise...that you somehow have the ability and need to control the actions of others based on your needs and desires.
Believing in life your decisions should be based around what best for you and yours isn't narcissistic at all.
In your scenario, you believe she has to do what is best for Moore.

Believing your needs supersede anybody else’s needs is narcissism.
You’re purposely misrepresenting what I’m saying. I didn’t say she has to do what is best for Moore. Nobody has to do anything. But knowingly helping somebody ruin their family is selfish and morally corrupt.

 

[KingLando]

Believing your needs supersede anybody else’s needs is narcissism.
You’re purposely misrepresenting what I’m saying. I didn’t say she has to do what is best for Moore. Nobody has to do anything. But knowingly helping somebody ruin their family is selfish and morally corrupt.

I'm not at all misrepresenting what you were saying.
You were saying she had to do what was best for him and his family if not she's immoral and a horrible person. We agree nobody has to do anything which is what I said that led you to calling me a narcissist.
She's allowed to be selfish. It's her life. No one else is going to do what's best for her so she has to.
This is a simple concept in life. You can help others, you can make decisions that benefit others over yourself and your family but that's not an obligation.
If my wife cheats on me that's on her not the guy she cheated with. She made the commitment. He owes me nothing. Anger at him would simply be misplaced.
Until/unless someone has children if they're making decisions based on anything other than what's best for them they're making their lives unnecessarily difficult. Reality. You may not like it but I assure you that, like everyone else, when you've made decisions in life you typically did what was best for you and yours. And when you didn't you likely regretted it.

 

[Connorpozlee]

I'm not at all misrepresenting what you were saying.
You were saying she had to do what was best for him and his family if not she's immoral and a horrible person. We agree nobody has to do anything which is what I said that led you to calling me a narcissist.
She's allowed to be selfish. It's her life. No one else is going to do what's best for her so she has to.
This is a simple concept in life. You can help others, you can make decisions that benefit others over yourself and your family but that's not an obligation.
If my wife cheats on me that's on her not the guy she cheated with. She made the commitment. He owes me nothing. Anger at him would simply be misplaced.
Until/unless someone has children if they're making decisions based on anything other than what's best for them they're making their lives unnecessarily difficult. Reality. You may not like it but I assure you that, like everyone else, when you've made decisions in life you typically did what was best for you and yours. And when you didn't you likely regretted it.

I’m not going any further with you after this post. You feel free to respond.
Sleeping with a married person is selfish. It’s selfish on his part to cheat on his wife. It’s on her to not care about how her actions affect other human beings. Both selfish. You’re entitled to your opinion. I disagree with you completely and will reiterate that your beliefs are narcissistic.

 

[KingLando]

I’m not going any further with you after this post. You feel free to respond.
Sleeping with a married person is selfish. It’s selfish on his part to cheat on his wife. It’s on her to not care about how her actions affect other human beings. Both selfish. You’re entitled to your opinion. I disagree with you completely and will reiterate that your beliefs are narcissistic.

Every single person is selfish. Including you and me.
It's narcistic to believe that someone else has to consider your marriage when making their decisions. That's literally believing the world revolves around you.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

When the junk gets hot, look out!!!!!

 

[Connorpozlee]

Every single person is selfish. Including you and me.
It's narcistic to believe that someone else has to consider your marriage when making their decisions. That's literally believing the world revolves around you.

OK, I’m back in. Looking out for your own best interests is not selfish, it’s human nature. Looking out for your self interests and completely disregarding how that may affect somebody else is selfish.
Being hungry and grabbing a soup and sandwich is looking out for your own best interests. Being hungry and eating another human being to satisfy your hunger is selfish (amongst many other things, obviously).
Being single, horny and having sex with somebody is looking out for you personal interests. Bring horny and sleeping with somebody married with a family that will be destroyed by it is looking out for your own personal interests and selfish.
Difference between you and me would be that I think we should look at our interactions with others and consider how my actions will affect others. You just do whatever will only serve your personal interests. Just different approaches to life.

 

[KingLando]

OK, I’m back in. Looking out for your own best interests is not selfish, it’s human nature. Looking out for your self interests and completely disregarding how that may affect somebody else is selfish.
Being hungry and grabbing a soup and sandwich is looking out for your own best interests. Being hungry and eating another human being to satisfy your hunger is selfish (amongst many other things, obviously).
Being single, horny and having sex with somebody is looking out for you personal interests. Bring horny and sleeping with somebody married with a family that will be destroyed by it is looking out for your own personal interests and selfish.
Difference between you and me would be that I think we should look at our interactions with others and consider how my actions will affect others. You just do whatever will only serve your personal interests. Just different approaches to life.

Every decision you make in life impacts someone else. Every single one. There's downstream impacts to literally everything in life.
Her sleeping with him didn't ruin the marriage--his actions did--see all the other rumors now about him and other women. If she didn't sleep with him; he would have slept with someone else.
I do what is best for me and my family--as do most people. I'd wager you do as well. Aside from marriage and the military, it you're making decisions considering the impact to someone else you're doing a disservice to yourself. Period.
Hell look at Allar--he stayed over loyalty and hopefully learned a valuable lesson. You always have to do what is best for you--no one else (aside maybe a spouse, parent or child) cares.

 

[PSUFTG]

Did anyone keep the receipt on King Lando?

Can he still be returned?

 

[CowbellMan]

Every decision you make in life impacts someone else. Every single one. There's downstream impacts to literally everything in life.
Her sleeping with him didn't ruin the marriage--his actions did--see all the other rumors now about him and other women. If she didn't sleep with him; he would have slept with someone else.
I do what is best for me and my family--as do most people. I'd wager you do as well. Aside from marriage and the military, it you're making decisions considering the impact to someone else you're doing a disservice to yourself. Period.
Hell look at Allar--he stayed over loyalty and hopefully learned a valuable lesson. You always have to do what is best for you--no one else (aside maybe a spouse, parent or child) cares.

Exactly. Literally Married 3 years and shagging the staffer for 2 years.

 

[WestSideLion]

Is Taylor Lewan serious? Awfully ballsie to say Michigan should call Matt Campbell and lure him there. What has college football become??

Who else LOVES seeing Michigan drooling over the head coach we just signed?!

What a novel position for Penn State to be in.

 

[Connorpozlee]

Every decision you make in life impacts someone else. Every single one. There's downstream impacts to literally everything in life.
Her sleeping with him didn't ruin the marriage--his actions did--see all the other rumors now about him and other women. If she didn't sleep with him; he would have slept with someone else.
I do what is best for me and my family--as do most people. I'd wager you do as well. Aside from marriage and the military, it you're making decisions considering the impact to someone else you're doing a disservice to yourself. Period.
Hell look at Allar--he stayed over loyalty and hopefully learned a valuable lesson. You always have to do what is best for you--no one else (aside maybe a spouse, parent or child) cares.

He didn’t sleep with himself. He slept with the woman. She is part of it.
You don’t always have to do what is best for you. Correction: People don’t always have to do what is best for themselves. You’ve made it clear you only care for yourself. I certainly don’t. I’m driving home in traffic and somebody is trying to merge, I’ll let them in. It’s cold out and I’m walking into a store, I’ll wait and hold the door open for the person behind me. Salvation Army is out ringing their bells, I’ll drop a couple of bucks in if I’m carrying cash. None of these provide any benefit to me or my family, I do all of them and many other things. As do most people. Narcissists don’t even consider doing them.

 

[PSUForever]

Trust me, I get the legal side of it and agree with you
The other poster was simply saying they believe she should have turned down the advances even if that would have cost her the job. He wasn't saying she couldn't take them to court over it.

She could have or should have reported it to HR when he first was making advances toward her. But we don't even know that. Maybe she was the one who initiated it? Maybe she had some control by being able to threaten him with I could go public any time and ruin your life. Who knows what the exact circumstances were. I do concur with the opinion that since he was the head coach and her superior that he held the power over her.

 

[PSUForever]

With SCUM in turmoil, suddenly our schedule looks even easier for next year. They’re not getting a Freeman or Deboer and they have a lot of cleanup to do inside their program and athletic department overall. They also ruined trust by likely sitting on the whole thing until after signing day. They’re going to be in a much larger rebuild than we are in my opinion.

A key thing to follow is if Underwood leaves.

 

[PSUForever]

Anybody that knowingly sleeps with a married person is a scumbag. Unless that marriage happens to be an open relationship, I suppose. It’s his marriage and he chose to ruin it of course. But she also made a choice that would ruin a family.

Yeah she is not some innocent bystander. If nothing else simply lacking moral integrity. I wonder why she wasn't interested in the single equipment manager making $60,000.

 

[LMTLION]

A key thing to follow is if Underwood leaves.

It will be interesting for sure. He didn’t look that great this year, but he’s only a freshman

 

[sdwcpa]

I saw on 11W where Michigan hired some high brow law firm in Chicago to " investigate the athletic department" I am sure that this firm is chock full of Michigan alum that will take $$$$$$ in fees and come back with " nothing to see here folks"

 

[KingLando]

He didn’t sleep with himself. He slept with the woman. She is part of it.
You don’t always have to do what is best for you. Correction: People don’t always have to do what is best for themselves. You’ve made it clear you only care for yourself. I certainly don’t. I’m driving home in traffic and somebody is trying to merge, I’ll let them in. It’s cold out and I’m walking into a store, I’ll wait and hold the door open for the person behind me. Salvation Army is out ringing their bells, I’ll drop a couple of bucks in if I’m carrying cash. None of these provide any benefit to me or my family, I do all of them and many other things. As do most people. Narcissists don’t even consider doing them.

And if it wasn't her it would have been someone else. It's on her that he couldn't be faithful. It's solely on him. Keep your dick in your pants. It's a simple concept.
Yes...you always have to do what is best for you.
What is the negative impact to your examples? Those are common courtesies with no real impact to your life. And you aren't obligated to do them. You choose to. Apparently they make you feel superior to other so it does benefit you.
Not sure how you're equating that to being in a relationship

 

[KingLando]

She could have or should have reported it to HR when he first was making advances toward her. But we don't even know that. Maybe she was the one who initiated it? Maybe she had some control by being able to threaten him with I could go public any time and ruin your life. Who knows what the exact circumstances were. I do concur with the opinion that since he was the head coach and her superior that he held the power over her.

If she did that...truthfully...kind of proud of her for turning the tables. Plus, he got what he deserved for cheating on his wife.

 

[Connorpozlee]

And if it wasn't her it would have been someone else. It's on her that he couldn't be faithful. It's solely on him. Keep your dick in your pants. It's a simple concept.
Yes...you always have to do what is best for you.
What is the negative impact to your examples? Those are common courtesies with no real impact to your life. And you aren't obligated to do them. You choose to. Apparently they make you feel superior to other so it does benefit you.
Not sure how you're equating that to being in a relationship

It was her. You’re just being ridiculous. Enjoy you’re evening.

 

[Mrdibbs]

Anybody see Louis Freeh lately?

 

[BobPSU92]

Anybody see Louis Freeh lately?

Does he see?

 

[m.knox]

Did anyone keep the receipt on King Lando?

Can he still be returned?

Unfortunately not. I've tried. He's too much of a narcissist.... lol...

 

[KingLando]

It was her. You’re just being ridiculous. Enjoy you’re evening.

And if it wasn't it had been someone else.
Yes, it's ridiculous to blame the cheater for his actions--clearly her fault that he's a cheater

 

[KingLando]

Did anyone keep the receipt on King Lando?

Can he still be returned?

Here for your benefit--embrace it

 

[PSUForever]

If she did that...truthfully...kind of proud of her for turning the tables. Plus, he got what he deserved for cheating on his wife.

Maybe she never turned the table? Maybe she plotted this out from the beginning and was the hunter from the beginning? Maybe she held all the power in the relationship and coerced and threatened her way to a raise? Who knows. Her momma would be proud of her, oh, and you too!

 

[Arivacalion]

So far they have not lost a single roster player. I imagine they are thankful for the scam on the players who had no clue what they were up to, knowing they were firing him but trapping the recruits there by waiting until after signing day