Shimmer of hope? Miles several years ago.......

[LadyCaytIL]

Remember about 5 years ago when L. Miles down at LSU was making some really stupid mistakes that cost them some games? He's corrected that part of his game now and I even think gave some of the clock management duties to an assistant coach to help remind him... at least I think I remember reading that a few years ago.

Yes Miles had a lot more experience but if there is a shimmer of hope for Stoops its that you can learn from your mistakes and get better.

Granted if I had my way, we'd dump Stoops and offer 4 million a year to the memphis or houston coach (probably because it would take 4 million a year just to lure them to this dumpster program) But since thats not going to happen with choir boy Mitch Barnhart...... we have to find the rays of hope in order to stay sane

 

[louisvillesux]

thats true, and a great point. but im not sure stoops even sees a problem, its a late half meltdown every week. after the past few weeks, what we did before half against is inexcusable.

 

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Come on now. Comparing Stoops to Les Miles?

 

[NavyCat88]

I hear you but Les Miles has been to a bowl game every year since he got to LSU (10 years running). He has been at or above .500 (in the SEC) every year except for one. Don't know that I take much solace re: Mark Stoops by looking at the past history of Coach Miles.

 

[domino79]

The Oh Pee needs to be banned from ever creating a post again.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

It's fairly obvious his point isn't to compare the careers or results of Stoops and Miles, but only to make the point that someone showing similar problems was able to correct the situation. Or maybe I'm crazy.....

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Hey I'm trying here...... lol

I think too much is going on right now for changes to get made... The man is too damn stubborn. But Im sure when he thinks on it after the season.... it will nag at him enough to change some things and work on the coaching mistakes.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

The Oh Pee needs to be banned from ever creating a post again.

Thanks for bringing so much to the table. I think you should be banned from having children so I guess we're even.

 

[domino79]

Thanks for bringing so much to the table. I think you should be banned from having children so I guess we're even.

Lol there you go posting stupid stuff again

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Since were bringing up LSU Take a good long look at this and the coaches they have and their resumes. Take a look at ours and their resumes and tell me how you expect our program to be run with HS quality coaches. You see major programs dishing money out and bringing in good coaches. We on the other hand do the opposite.




OC Cam Cameron
2013-Present Offensive Coordinator & Quarterback Coach LSU
2008-2012 Offensive Coordinator Baltimore Ravens
2007 Head Coach Miami Dolphins
2002-2006 Offensive Coordinator San Diego Chargers
1997-2001 Head Coach Indiana
1994-1996 Quarterback Coach Washington Redskins
1986-1993 Quarterback Coach & Wide Receivers Coach Michigan

DC Kevin Steele

2015-Present Defensive Coordinator LSU
2014 Linebacker Coach Alabama
2009-2011 Defensive Coordinator & Linebacker Coach Clemson
2008 Associate Head Coach (Defense) Alabama
2007 Defensive Coordinator & Inside Linebacker Coach Alabama
2003-2006 Linebacker Coach Florida State
1999-2002 Head Coach Baylor
1989-1994 Linebacker Coach Nebraska
1987-1988 Secondary Coach Tennessee
1984-1986 Linebacker Coach & Tight Ends Coach Oklahoma State
1983 Linebacker Coach & Recruiting Coordinator New Mexico State
1982 Outside Linebacker Coach Tennessee

WR coach Adam Henry

2012-Present Wide Receivers Coach LSU
2007-2011 Assistant Coach Oakland Raiders
2006 Offensive Coordinator McNeese St.
1997-2005 Wide Receivers Coach McNeese St.

RB coach Frank Wilson

2010-Present Running Backs Coach & Recruiting Coordinator LSU
2009 Wide Receivers Coach Tennessee
2008 Running Backs Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Southern Miss
2005-2007 Running Backs Coach Ole Miss

TE coach Steve Ensminger

2010-Present Tight Ends Coach LSU
2003-2008 Tight Ends Coach Auburn
1997-1998 Offensive Coordinator & Quarterback Coach Clemson
1994-1996 Quarterback Coach & Offensive Coordinator Texas A&M
1991-1993 Quarterback Coach & Passing Game Coordinator Georgia
1988-1990 Quarterback Coach & Offensive Coordinator Louisiana Tech

OL coach Jeff Grimes

014-Present Offensive Line Coach LSU
2013 Offensive Line Coach Virginia Tech
2009-2012 Offensive Line Coach Auburn
2007-2008 Offensive Line Coach Colorado
2005-2006 Assistant Coach BYU
2000-2003 Offensive Line Coach Arizona State
2000 Offensive Line Coach Boise State
1998-1999 Offensive Line Coach Hardin-Simmons

DL coach Ed Orgeron
2015-Present Defensive Line Coach LSU
2010-2013 Defensive Coordinator, Recruiting Coordinator & Defensive Line Coach USC
2009 Defensive Line Coach, Assistant Head Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Tennessee
2008 Defensive Line Coach New Orleans Saints
2007 Head Coach Ole Miss
2005-2006 Head Coach & Defensive Coordinator Ole Miss
1998-2004 Defensive Line Coach USC
1995-1997 Defensive Line Coach Syracuse
1994 Linebacker Coach Nicholls St.
1989-1992 Defensive Line Coach Miami


DL coach Corey Raymond
2015-Present Defensive Line Coach LSU
2010-2013 Defensive Coordinator, Recruiting Coordinator & Defensive Line Coach USC
2009 Defensive Line Coach, Assistant Head Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Tennessee
2008 Defensive Line Coach New Orleans Saints
2007 Head Coach Ole Miss
2005-2006 Head Coach & Defensive Coordinator Ole Miss
1998-2004 Defensive Line Coach USC
1995-1997 Defensive Line Coach Syracuse
1994 Linebacker Coach Nicholls St.
1989-1992 Defensive Line Coach Miami


ST coach and assistant coach Bradley Dale Peveto
2014-Present Special Teams Coordinator & Assistant Coach LSU
2013 Safety Coach Kentucky
2009-2012 Head Coach Northwestern St.
2008 Co-Defensive Coordinator & Linebacker Coach LSU
2005-2007 Cornerback Coach & Special Teams Coordinator LSU
2003-2004 Defensive Coordinator & Secondary Coach Middle Tennessee
1999-2002 Secondary Coach & Co-Defensive Coordinator Houston
1996-1998 Defensive Coordinator Northwestern St.


ST coordinator Thomas McGaughey
2011-Present Special Teams Coordinator LSU
2004 Cornerback Coach & Special Teams Coordinator Houston
2003 Special Teams Coordinator Houston

 

[UKUGA]

I was actually thinking about that the other day. Those clock issues.

Les found a fall guy, terminated him, and LSU seems to have turned a corner. (Of course, LSU had also won a National Championship under miles, prior to those goofs).

CMS needs to find the fall guy. And then, he still needs to take a good long look in the mirror.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Hey I'm trying here...... lol

I think too much is going on right now for changes to get made... The man is too damn stubborn. But Im sure when he thinks on it after the season.... it will nag at him enough to change some things and work on the coaching mistakes.

I believe what you're doing is known as 'grasping at straws.'

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Since were bringing up LSU Take a good long look at this and the coaches they have and their resumes. Take a look at ours and their resumes and tell me how you expect our program to be run with HS quality coaches. You see major programs dishing money out and bringing in good coaches. We on the other hand do the opposite.




OC Cam Cameron
2013-Present Offensive Coordinator & Quarterback Coach LSU
2008-2012 Offensive Coordinator Baltimore Ravens
2007 Head Coach Miami Dolphins
2002-2006 Offensive Coordinator San Diego Chargers
1997-2001 Head Coach Indiana
1994-1996 Quarterback Coach Washington Redskins
1986-1993 Quarterback Coach & Wide Receivers Coach Michigan

DC Kevin Steele

2015-Present Defensive Coordinator LSU
2014 Linebacker Coach Alabama
2009-2011 Defensive Coordinator & Linebacker Coach Clemson
2008 Associate Head Coach (Defense) Alabama
2007 Defensive Coordinator & Inside Linebacker Coach Alabama
2003-2006 Linebacker Coach Florida State
1999-2002 Head Coach Baylor
1989-1994 Linebacker Coach Nebraska
1987-1988 Secondary Coach Tennessee
1984-1986 Linebacker Coach & Tight Ends Coach Oklahoma State
1983 Linebacker Coach & Recruiting Coordinator New Mexico State
1982 Outside Linebacker Coach Tennessee

WR coach Adam Henry

2012-Present Wide Receivers Coach LSU
2007-2011 Assistant Coach Oakland Raiders
2006 Offensive Coordinator McNeese St.
1997-2005 Wide Receivers Coach McNeese St.

RB coach Frank Wilson

2010-Present Running Backs Coach & Recruiting Coordinator LSU
2009 Wide Receivers Coach Tennessee
2008 Running Backs Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Southern Miss
2005-2007 Running Backs Coach Ole Miss

TE coach Steve Ensminger

2010-Present Tight Ends Coach LSU
2003-2008 Tight Ends Coach Auburn
1997-1998 Offensive Coordinator & Quarterback Coach Clemson
1994-1996 Quarterback Coach & Offensive Coordinator Texas A&M
1991-1993 Quarterback Coach & Passing Game Coordinator Georgia
1988-1990 Quarterback Coach & Offensive Coordinator Louisiana Tech

OL coach Jeff Grimes

014-Present Offensive Line Coach LSU
2013 Offensive Line Coach Virginia Tech
2009-2012 Offensive Line Coach Auburn
2007-2008 Offensive Line Coach Colorado
2005-2006 Assistant Coach BYU
2000-2003 Offensive Line Coach Arizona State
2000 Offensive Line Coach Boise State
1998-1999 Offensive Line Coach Hardin-Simmons

DL coach Ed Orgeron
2015-Present Defensive Line Coach LSU
2010-2013 Defensive Coordinator, Recruiting Coordinator & Defensive Line Coach USC
2009 Defensive Line Coach, Assistant Head Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Tennessee
2008 Defensive Line Coach New Orleans Saints
2007 Head Coach Ole Miss
2005-2006 Head Coach & Defensive Coordinator Ole Miss
1998-2004 Defensive Line Coach USC
1995-1997 Defensive Line Coach Syracuse
1994 Linebacker Coach Nicholls St.
1989-1992 Defensive Line Coach Miami


DL coach Corey Raymond
2015-Present Defensive Line Coach LSU
2010-2013 Defensive Coordinator, Recruiting Coordinator & Defensive Line Coach USC
2009 Defensive Line Coach, Assistant Head Coach & Recruiting Coordinator Tennessee
2008 Defensive Line Coach New Orleans Saints
2007 Head Coach Ole Miss
2005-2006 Head Coach & Defensive Coordinator Ole Miss
1998-2004 Defensive Line Coach USC
1995-1997 Defensive Line Coach Syracuse
1994 Linebacker Coach Nicholls St.
1989-1992 Defensive Line Coach Miami


ST coach and assistant coach Bradley Dale Peveto
2014-Present Special Teams Coordinator & Assistant Coach LSU
2013 Safety Coach Kentucky
2009-2012 Head Coach Northwestern St.
2008 Co-Defensive Coordinator & Linebacker Coach LSU
2005-2007 Cornerback Coach & Special Teams Coordinator LSU
2003-2004 Defensive Coordinator & Secondary Coach Middle Tennessee
1999-2002 Secondary Coach & Co-Defensive Coordinator Houston
1996-1998 Defensive Coordinator Northwestern St.


ST coordinator Thomas McGaughey
2011-Present Special Teams Coordinator LSU
2004 Cornerback Coach & Special Teams Coordinator Houston
2003 Special Teams Coordinator Houston

OK, we have determined the inmates have taken over the asylum and Les Miles has attended the Tom Jurich masters program of how to win in college football.

Besides, LSU has a built in recruiting base hard to overcome: Angola.

 

[OldRed]

Remember about 5 years ago when L. Miles down at LSU was making some really stupid mistakes that cost them some games? He's corrected that part of his game now and I even think gave some of the clock management duties to an assistant coach to help remind him... at least I think I remember reading that a few years ago.

Yes Miles had a lot more experience but if there is a shimmer of hope for Stoops its that you can learn from your mistakes and get better.

Granted if I had my way, we'd dump Stoops and offer 4 million a year to the memphis or houston coach (probably because it would take 4 million a year just to lure them to this dumpster program) But since thats not going to happen with choir boy Mitch Barnhart...... we have to find the rays of hope in order to stay sane

This thread is like a ray of moonshine to UK fans.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

I can tell some people here are acting like I'm comparing Stoops and UK to Miles and LSU in terms of success. I'm clearly not doing that. No matter how much talent you have...... coaching mistakes are coaching mistakes.. Its universal from high school to the NFL. A few years ago Miles was making bone head mistakes with time outs , game management ... going on 4th down in stupid situations... etc. Some of the same mistakes Stoops is making.

There are a lot of aspects to the coaching that will take Stoops a while to correct with experience... but the bone headed mistakes that we've been making recently are correctable with just a better sense of organization.

Am I making it more clear as to what I was talking about?

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

I can tell some people here are acting like I'm comparing Stoops and UK to Miles and LSU in terms of success. I'm clearly not doing that. No matter how much talent you have...... coaching mistakes are coaching mistakes.. Its universal from high school to the NFL. A few years ago Miles was making bone head mistakes with time outs , game management ... going on 4th down in stupid situations... etc. Some of the same mistakes Stoops is making.

There are a lot of aspects to the coaching that will take Stoops a while to correct with experience... but the bone headed mistakes that we've been making recently are correctable with just a better sense of organization.

Am I making it more clear as to what I was talking about?

Oh I knew exactly what you was saying. I was just pointing out he also had guys on is staff to help guide him with their experience. Stoops doesn't.
Also look how that staff was built ours isn't remotely close

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Oh I knew exactly what you was saying. I was just pointing out he also had guys on is staff to help guide him with their experience. Stoops doesn't.
Also look how that staff was built ours isn't remotely close

Absolutely. ..... I completely agree. ..... Is it too much to ask for Bob Stoops be let go at OU and get him on our staff for a year or two before he goes elsewhere? LoL

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

Mack Brown had notable career success at North Carolina before receiving an offer to be the Texas Longhorns head coach. Mack was one of the best recruiters in the business plus he walked the walk and talked the talk similar to the revered Darrell Royal. Texas fans believed the Messiah had arrived.

While was a ace recruiter, he was not a particularly good coach. He was, however, a seasoned veteran in the coaching business. He hired Gene Chizik as his offensive coordinator and Will Muschamp as defensive coordinator. Mack was in business and the winning began.

Great management begins with a manager smart enough to hire assistants whose value is support the manager and be the team that develops success at the highest level.

Mark does have a good staff though Neal Brown left for a head coaching position, Brad Peveto left for LSU special teams coach and right away the coaching staff was requiring replacements. That is disruptive when two of your most important coaches leave. Add to those issues the fact top coaches are not exactly beating down your door for employment.

At the end of the day, Mark has one of the most difficult jobs in college football and plays in the most difficult conference other than the NFL. We should perhaps give Mark a little slack and support. He is our only hope Obi Wan Kenobi.

 

[pickled cat]

Mack Brown had notable career success at North Carolina before receiving an offer to be the Texas Longhorns head coach. Mack was one of the best recruiters in the business plus he walked the walk and talked the talk similar to the revered Darrell Royal. Texas fans believed the Messiah had arrived.

While was a ace recruiter, he was not a particularly good coach. He was, however, a seasoned veteran in the coaching business. He hired Gene Chizik as his offensive coordinator and Will Muschamp as defensive coordinator. Mack was in business and the winning began.

Great management begins with a manager smart enough to hire assistants whose value is support the manager and be the team that develops success at the highest level.

Mark does have a good staff though Neal Brown left for a head coaching position, Brad Peveto left for LSU special teams coach and right away the coaching staff was requiring replacements. That is disruptive when two of your most important coaches leave. Add to those issues the fact top coaches are not exactly beating down your door for employment.

At the end of the day, Mark has one of the most difficult jobs in college football and plays in the most difficult conference other than the NFL. We should perhaps give Mark a little slack and support. He is our only hope Obi Wan Kenobi.

Finally, A man who gets it!!

 

[LadyCaytIL]

You know what makes me laugh through out the day? Just a few weeks ago people were afraid Miami would offer Stoops. [roll]

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

Miles hires the best of the best...

I mean half his staff has HC experience...In addition to those names listed above, I'm pretty sure Steve Kragthorp still helps out in some capacity...

That is absolutely what Stoops needs to do...

there are plenty of guys out there...Hell you got Guy Morris right here in Kentucky coaching HS...get his *** on staff...go get Sylvester Croom...maybe Frank Beamer would like a little retirement gig...find out what Randy Shannon is making at Florida and offer him 20% more...Al Golden needs a job...Tommy Bowden is out there somewhere and was the OC here a coon's age ago...Norm Chow could be QB coach and/or skill position assistant, the list of guys he's coached and developed is pretty impressive...June Jones is out there...if Mark Richt gets canned CMS, Mitch, and Joe Craft need to fly down on Cal's jet and help him with the move...

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

I agree with having a lot of coaches out their looking for work many of these guys have been successful in their profession and have a lot of knowledge and connections to Juco's, HS's and academies where we can get sec level players.


You shell out the money and they will listen to ur offer.

Years ago someone from ND told me in football that the head coach needs to be the best recruiter on the staff / PR man and the OC and DC needs to be the best coaches and making both sides of the ball work.
The head coach is the closer with recruits and the recruiting coordinator and position coaches actually get the kids all excited about coming. finally meeting the head coach in the end and when they meet the coach will tell them how they are needed and they need his commitment cause their are 4 others that are wanting that spot right now but your holding it for you to decide before it's given to them.

Heard that years ago but I'm sure it's still the same today.

 

[screwduke]

Come on now. Comparing Stoops to Les Miles?

You'd have a point if that's what the OP actually did.