Shooting and Mass Casualties - Part 2
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Christianity is a religion. Would you consider its teachings to be dangerous? If so, how?
Hitler said "By defending myself against the Jews, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
So who was that "Lord?" Couldn't have been Christ, because Hitler believed the Jews created Christianity. Hitler left the Catholicism of his childhood because he considered it a religion for slaves.
He actually called a Christianity a "scourge" in his writings, and said "Let's be the only people who immunized against this disease (Christianity)." He also said, "through the peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity."
Hitler merely used Christianity for his own purposes, which is bizarre when one considers the hundreds of Christian clergy he either imprisoned or executed. He was more interested in Nordic and Teutonic legends than he was the actual teachings of Christ. So no, he wasn't a Christian, unless one considers "Christian" to mean one who claims the faith while at the same time publically promoting its eventual eradication.
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By any logical measure, Lucifer, who is also known as Satan, is the hero of the bible- at least for a while. When human beings did not have knowledge, he gave them knowledge. When Jesus was fasting in the desert, he offered Jesus an apple. It must have transpired that, in the time before the Garden of Eden, Lucifer, as the son of the morning, had finally had enough with God’s pretentious ********. So he said, “You know what? I’m outta here.” And God, being the spiteful, vengeful, jealous, infantile being that he is, condemned Lucifer to be the ruler of a realm called hell. Thus far, it appears that Lucifer has not raised an objection to this treatment. Getting away from God must have been a blessing.
Christians view Lucifer as the cause their cognitive dissonance. They view Lucifer as tempting them towards disobeying God. The statement which goes, “The devil made me do it,” is the ultimate intellectual cop-out. It is a statement in which a person refuses to accept responsibility for their own actions, instead blaming their behavior (somehow) on the devil who (somehow) has made it his business in life to steer everyone away from Christianity.
Satan worshipers, aside from the whole sacrificing of children thing, appear to be more rational than Christians. Among one of their tenets is, “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.” In others, God demands obedience to his commands. Satan says, “Eh, do whatever you want.”
At about the 7:50 minute mark of this video gets down to logic:
But honestly there will be no over take of heaven, because it's not there. Because out of the infinite universe why would some one worry about one species of primate on one planet, in one galaxy. Que the "then why do we still have monkeys"...the same reason we still have tigers when we have house cats (although we share more DNA then they do) bc we have a common ancestor.
Also of note: I love how if your agnostic or atheist your labeled liberal....when it's pretty clear, you as I, are Libertarians. The Free Mind, Free Market, Logic/common sense party. I don't think some people even know what their parties represent, or maybe just what they've turned them into.
I see we've gone from mass shootings to who is a tr0000 Christian.
We've reached a consensus the bad eggs in Islam grab them the world title for craziest religion.
So who is the US. Champion? Which Christian sect is the craziest? Snake handlers? Amish? The ones who flop around like dead fish and speak in tongues? Catholics and their saints and kiddie rape? Lutherans being AAA Catholic? Baptists and their hatred of evil stuff like music and dancing?
Seems like a good thread for:
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We've reached a consensus the bad eggs in Islam grab them the world title for craziest religion.
So who is the US. Champion? Which Christian sect is the craziest? Snake handlers? Amish? The ones who flop around like dead fish and speak in tongues? Catholics and their saints and kiddie rape? Lutherans being AAA Catholic? Baptists and their hatred of evil stuff like music and dancing?
Seems like a good thread for:
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What do you consider a "large portion"?
And what do you mean by they have "declared war"?
ncukcat called for genocide
the other guy said that the idea of nazis as mass murderers is a "meme" and that they preferred deportation
these are despicable people that you're aligning yourself with
Lololol no I didn't. I said we should kill everyone that shares the same views as Isis.
Thats not what the guy said about Nazi's, I wrote they had killed 6 million jews. He said that number was high, that while the number was high, the Soviets had over done the actual number killed. Which sounds entirely plausible.
As for the other guy, he's pissed, and so are a lot of people. What we are doing to combat the problem isn't working, and it isn't going to work.
Over half of all Muslims (in pollable locations, IE ones where westerners won't be immediately captured and beheaded) are in support of, to some extent, Sharia Law.
Keep in mind, these are only the numbers for those that OPENLY admit to these beliefs (a core belief in Islam is that of Taqiyya, or the belief that lying and deceiving infidels/nonbelievers is perfectly acceptable to further the goals of spreading the word of Muhammad). Imagine how many do and just don't openly announce it to Pew researchers.
I consider 20-30% of the Worlds muslim population to be a large portion, wouldn't you?
I am a Christian. I have enough of my own problems/issues to judge or figure out everybody else's issues. Glad you have it all figured out. For the record, I don't blame anybody, except for myself, when I fall short of what I feel is Christian behavior(which I do daily).
Be the light Matthew 5:16
You know what's awesome about post-enlightenment Christianity? He can hold that belief, attach a picture of Jesus swilling beer at a strip club, and not be decapitated, stoned to death, lit on fire, drowned, or thrown off of buildings to his death by Christians! What a novel concept!
ALL religions have their crazies. Just like there are whack-job Christians who other Christians point to as being "not one of us", there are Muslims who feel the same way. Believing otherwise and saying "ALL Muslims are like that" makes just as much sense as saying "ALL Christians are like that" when some moron shoots up a black church or an abortion clinic.
Can't wait for part 3!!! Lot's of healthy discourse when it comes to the paddock and gun laws. Riveting stuff!
It would be nice if for once if the president showed as much passion about stopping and defeating Isis as he did for blaming republicans and gun supporters like it's our fault. When terrorism occurs he can't wait to get a podium and scold us like five year olds and tell us how it's our fault. I'm personally sick of it. Do what needs to be done. Quit putting innocent people at risk because you want to fight for gun control. Hint Mr. President it's not our fault it's due to your lack of control on Isis, you know that that JV team we have under control who seemingly keeps killing people.
Wow, you intolerant bigot! Turn over your guns to the Obama administration so he can then ship them overseas to peaceful, tolerant, moderate Muslims who will use them for noble, freedom fighting goals!
Gotta love people who don't know the bible from a hole in the ground claiming they know the answers to the bibles teachings, and how the universe was formed.
Putting trust in humans - hells anthem.
The Christian one says a lot a crazy stuff too, especially in Part I, but I think the old one doesn't count anymore. Or maybe it does. Who the hell knows?
Part 1 was bad ***. Part 2 was just too PC for me.
Part 1 might not count but there are preachers still going to it when they want to condemn gay people.
Here's a good article on Muslims' gay problem
https://newrepublic.com/article/134311/orlando-exposed-islams-huge-homophobia-problem
Here's a good article on Muslims' gay problem
https://newrepublic.com/article/134311/orlando-exposed-islams-huge-homophobia-problem
GUNS!
Not that this guy would know anything: Frederic Lemieux, Professor and Program Director of Bachelor in Police and Security Studies; Master’s in Security and Safety Leadership; Master’s in Strategic Cyber Operations and Information Management, George Washington University
But by all means, enjoy your hobby.
Not that this guy would know anything: Frederic Lemieux, Professor and Program Director of Bachelor in Police and Security Studies; Master’s in Security and Safety Leadership; Master’s in Strategic Cyber Operations and Information Management, George Washington University
But by all means, enjoy your hobby.
We've really spent two pages arguing over whether or not radical islamists are dangerous? This is peak partisan cheerleading. Of course theyre dangerous. But the left will never admit it, because they dont Trump to get a bump in the polls.
Sad, because theyre willing to sacrifice the safety of women and LGBT (two of their biggest supporters) just to win this election. Even sadder, those same groups are cool with it.
Sad, because theyre willing to sacrifice the safety of women and LGBT (two of their biggest supporters) just to win this election. Even sadder, those same groups are cool with it.
Did you read the two pages? I didn't see anyone arguing for radical Islam. Geez. Yeah there was definitely some partisanship. Along with your post.
Whats partisan about my post? Its hilarious to think its now political or bigoted to say radical islamists are dangerous; and/or that they have particular disdain for the two groups I mentioned.
It isnt partisan. It isnt bigoted. Its common sense. And its the truth.
What's partisan is you coming into the thread and assuming it's been a bunch of idiots arguing for Islam. When it's been mostly pro gun dudes jerking each other off mixed in with some Christian bashing. Your partisanship is on full display in your post with your opportunity to bash the other side. Both sides have polarized the issue to the point that you can't even have a damn discussion without being called a racist or antiamerican. Yes there are radical Muslims who want to murder everyone. And that's a legitimate existential issue. Not a left vs right issue. Eff Obama and anyone else that doesn't want to say it. Mass shootings are also an issue. But we can't come up with solutions in this country because everyone wants to cling to their ideology.
Apples and oranges. When was the last Christian theocracy in any nation? Meanwhile, there are actual nations predicated on Islamic extremism.
As for the abortion clinic element, it's such a stretch to even compare those attacks to what we're seeing in the world today regarding radical Islam. Can you cite even three attacks by Christians in the last half-decade in our country? People want to make an even comparison, but it's a difficult to do so when pressed for real facts.
Are there maniacs who claim Christianity? Absolutely. But they are rare and their actions are overwhelming condemned by Christians worldwide. Radical Islam, however, is not rare. Yes, it's still the exception to the rule, but it's a growing exception spearheaded by actual theocratic nations shared by hundreds of thousands of people.
Over half of all Muslims (in pollable locations, IE ones where westerners won't be immediately captured and beheaded) are in support of, to some extent, Sharia Law.
Keep in mind, these are only the numbers for those that OPENLY admit to these beliefs (a core belief in Islam is that of Taqiyya, or the belief that lying and deceiving infidels/nonbelievers is perfectly acceptable to further the goals of spreading the word of Muhammad). Imagine how many do and just don't openly announce it to Pew researchers.
Good find.
Can you provide the Christian equivalent to those stats, due to the fact that some are attempting to draw an even parallel between radical Christianity and radical Islam?
Oh, you'd have to go back to the Inquisition of 300 years ago or the Crusades of 700 to 1,000 years ago? I see....
You can't even use the Crusades as negative rhetoric against Christianity because they were originally conducted retaliatory to end the persecution of Christians living in the Levant region.
"But we can't come up with solutions in this country because everyone wants to cling to their ideology." - Precisely why humanism has and will continue to fail in our world.
Good point. By modern standards, about 1 million people died in the name of Christianity over the course of 2,000 years if one factors in exponential population growth and combines the witch killings, inquisition, and crusades. As you noted, the crusades were largely a defensive measure (although they certainly were not without their fair share of atrocities). The 20th Century alone constituted for around 100 million deaths in the name of secular and/or atheistic regimes.
People often tend to blame Christianity for historical wrong doings (rightfully so) but strangely try to negate the mass killings of the 20th Century that were perpetuated through the various secular/atheistic governments.
Noone is arguing for Islam, per se. Its much more subtle than that. When the main focus is on the gun (which now is reported it wasnt even an AR-15; and no details released on whether or not he even used the Sig rifle at all); guns in general; or any other topic besides the dangers of radicalized lone wolf Muslims.
The attacks in Chattanooga and Fort Hood were "workplace violence". The one in Cali a few months back caused the left to get on the soapbox about guns, until it was released he was also a recently radicalized islamist.
Ive never owned a gun, and probably never will. But Im open to solutions that will actually stop these attacks; not just score political points. Restricting gun ownership will do nothing but rally a base. Before anything fruitful can be done, there needs to be an honest understanding of the facts (which gun was bought, used, and that it wasnt an assault rifle) and an frank discussion about the dangers of radicalized islam. That will never happen.
Fwiw, sounds like you and I dont disagree much on this topic.
Fair enough. And it does sound like we don't disagree much. I just wish both sides would calm the eff down and work together because it's a problem that's only getting worse.
How about we just stop killing each other. Who cares who was the worst/best at it. I don't care if you're a Christian, Muslim, atheist, or Sikh. Stop murdering people in the name of something.
Cant have that. Must rally the base for maximum political impact. Sad but true.