Shot Clock

docrugby1

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The game clock changes by the 10th of a second but the shot clock changes by the second. The two are linked electronically so when the shot clock reads one , it could actually be .8 or .2 and thus could change to zero in less than one second. The game clock started correctly when the ball was touched and the shot clearly expired before the shot was taken. The refs arbitrarily gave IU the full second and did not consider that one second on the shot clock actually could be less as was the case last night.

Dan Dakich said on ESPNU radio that Buie was fouled in the act of shooting-the video confirms this. Was Greer within 2 feet of the shooter when he was called for a foul. Audige 's arm was "touched " on his airball but no call

I usually don't mention refs but the shot clock was clearly interpreted incorrectly. NU had a 7 point lead with less than 2 minutes in OT#1 and 5 point lead with less than 1 minute left in OT#2. I am not sure that NU could have managed the clock any worse than they did. I knew we were toast when Audige missed the front end of a one and one. I cannot understand not running your motion offense at game's end rather then dribbling near mid court until 6 seconds are left and not getting a decent shot
 

HawkCat

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I cannot understand not running your motion offense at game's end rather then dribbling near mid court until 6 seconds are left and not getting a decent shot
This is what drives me nuts about our approach in these situations. It always ends up in a wasted possession.
 

TheC

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May 29, 2001
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This is what drives me nuts about our approach in these situations. It always ends up in a wasted possession.
We have done this the entire tenure of Coach Collins. As I mentioned in another post, even the great BMac failed on so many last second possessions because of this approach. The only thing I can think to explain this is that this is how they do it in the NBA. Collins is a product of the NBA. He learned most of his basketball from his dad - a long time NBA coach. He learned the next most from Coach K - though not an NBA coach - has NBA talent that can pull off the iso and score situation. He also has a former NBA coach as his top assistant and timeout play designer.

The last second iso approach works in the NBA. It doesn't work as well in college, especially with a team of non-stars. Northwestern HAS to have a team approach to everything it does to be successful.
 

hdhntr1

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The game clock changes by the 10th of a second but the shot clock changes by the second. The two are linked electronically so when the shot clock reads one , it could actually be .8 or .2 and thus could change to zero in less than one second. The game clock started correctly when the ball was touched and the shot clearly expired before the shot was taken. The refs arbitrarily gave IU the full second and did not consider that one second on the shot clock actually could be less as was the case last night.

Dan Dakich said on ESPNU radio that Buie was fouled in the act of shooting-the video confirms this. Was Greer within 2 feet of the shooter when he was called for a foul. Audige 's arm was "touched " on his airball but no call

I usually don't mention refs but the shot clock was clearly interpreted incorrectly. NU had a 7 point lead with less than 2 minutes in OT#1 and 5 point lead with less than 1 minute left in OT#2. I am not sure that NU could have managed the clock any worse than they did. I knew we were toast when Audige missed the front end of a one and one. I cannot understand not running your motion offense at game's end rather then dribbling near mid court until 6 seconds are left and not getting a decent shot
Like you said, they are linked. So it game clck( which was in .1s of seconds was correct, so was the shot clock going off. Clock is supposed to start as soon as the ball is touched by a player in bounds. Only whestion is do they have to be on the ground befor it starts as he had jumped up to grab the in bounds pass
 

Enduro

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Aug 7, 2002
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Clock starts as soon as a player in play touches the ball - on the ground, in the air...doesn't matter. At the time it seemed like an egregious and ridiculous reversal to award the points. Now, with docrugby1's clock explanation it seems even more so. Still should have won the game, but that was awful and incompetent officiating.
 

CappyNU

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Clock starts as soon as a player in play touches the ball - on the ground, in the air...doesn't matter. At the time it seemed like an egregious and ridiculous reversal to award the points. Now, with docrugby1's clock explanation it seems even more so. Still should have won the game, but that was awful and incompetent officiating.
Not only that, but when I rewatched it, on the initial play the shot clock went off at 3.7 seconds remaining. On the next play, the ball was still in his hands at 3.7 but the refs decided that he should've had a full second from 4.2 even though that's not how the previous play went. Adding on top that they just decided to count the basket even though a horn blew? Egregious on all levels.
 

hdhntr1

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Clock starts as soon as a player in play touches the ball - on the ground, in the air...doesn't matter. At the time it seemed like an egregious and ridiculous reversal to award the points. Now, with docrugby1's clock explanation it seems even more so. Still should have won the game, but that was awful and incompetent officiating.
Even so it taks an absolute minimum of 0.3 seconds to put up a shot and this did not meet that minimum and was over 0.5 sec. 0.1 to tip it but it was not a tip