Should Collins revamp the offense?

DaCat

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It's been downright painful watching our offense the past few years. Collins' offense doesn't work to generate a lot of open looks and easy baskets, which would be nice. We were in a similar situation in football around 1999, when Randy Walker decided to do a complete makeover from Smash Mouth football to The Spread.

In basketball, there's an interesting new offense that Collins should look into, though he's probably aware of it already. St. Joseph's of Maine went to a positionless system with 5 spacing the floor, and saw their offensive production jump from 0.87 points per possession to 1.06. Revolutionary. Would this work against Big Ten competition? See the link.

 

Titanium999

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We need speed at the point guard position. We get that,we will be solid! Turner can't be bringing the ball up the court. Hope we solved that question this year. That is pretty much all we need
 

TheC

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It's been downright painful watching our offense the past few years. Collins' offense doesn't work to generate a lot of open looks and easy baskets, which would be nice. We were in a similar situation in football around 1999, when Randy Walker decided to do a complete makeover from Smash Mouth football to The Spread.

In basketball, there's an interesting new offense that Collins should look into, though he's probably aware of it already. St. Joseph's of Maine went to a positionless system with 5 spacing the floor, and saw their offensive production jump from 0.87 points per possession to 1.06. Revolutionary. Would this work against Big Ten competition? See the link.


Would this work against a zone defense? Also, what happens if 1 or 2 guys aren't really a threat from 3? The D can sag off them which might interfere with some of what the offense wants to do. Finally, this really also relies on having a multitude of guys who can dribble penetrate, which gets harder as you move up levels because for Power5 you need more size for defense and you're facing quicker defenders.
 

DaCat

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Would this work against a zone defense? Also, what happens if 1 or 2 guys aren't really a threat from 3? The D can sag off them which might interfere with some of what the offense wants to do. Finally, this really also relies on having a multitude of guys who can dribble penetrate, which gets harder as you move up levels because for Power5 you need more size for defense and you're facing quicker defenders.

The video shows the offense against zone defenses. I think this offense would work with the type of players that Collins prefers. You got a lead guard, 3 athletic wings, and a big -- if you spread the floor effectively in this offense, you'll get either open looks or opportunities to find cutters for layups and dunks. There's even a "dunker" spot the floor :).
 

IdahoAlum

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Just recruiting a shooter or two might help. Other than Pardon, we had one guy shoot over 40 percent last year. I don't care what offense you run, you still have to have guys who make shots.
 

JournCat

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How many guys on the team can create off the dribble? Install whatever offense you want. Until that number rises from zero, it’s a waste of time.
 

Medill90

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How many guys on the team can create off the dribble? Install whatever offense you want. Until that number rises from zero, it’s a waste of time.

Agree.

Another part of that is who can handle the ball and direct the offense so that opportunities
regularly pop up in which an offensive player has an advantage. Our bar right now is for the offense to get it over half court and make a few passes in the motion offense.

Problem is, majority of the Big Ten teams are more physically gifted so by the time we get into our offense they are pretty well positioned to defend for 15 seconds until we take a difficult three.

I exaggerate here and there for effect.
 
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DaCat

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How many guys on the team can create off the dribble? Install whatever offense you want. Until that number rises from zero, it’s a waste of time.

That's the beauty of this offense -- you don't really need to create off the dribble. The position-less offense with anyone able to bring the ball up is a good fit for our personnel.
 

NURoseBowl

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I don't know why this popped into my head, but Mo Hachad would've been good in this type of offense, no?
 

EvanstonCat

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It's been downright painful watching our offense the past few years. Collins' offense doesn't work to generate a lot of open looks and easy baskets, which would be nice. We were in a similar situation in football around 1999, when Randy Walker decided to do a complete makeover from Smash Mouth football to The Spread.

In basketball, there's an interesting new offense that Collins should look into, though he's probably aware of it already. St. Joseph's of Maine went to a positionless system with 5 spacing the floor, and saw their offensive production jump from 0.87 points per possession to 1.06. Revolutionary. Would this work against Big Ten competition? See the link.



Can he hire Mick McCall?

I mean I don't think that will help us in hoops, but I think Collins should take one for the team. I mean, he already brought in a lacrosse player, so why not a football coach? McCall wouldn't have any 5 star talent to ruin in hoops. I think running the ball up the gut may actually work a bit on the hardwood, if the proper picks are set. And in hoops, his game planning of incessantly short passes would be a better fit. I don't think even an FCS team will hire him away to be a head coach, which would otherwise be our only hope to resurrect a once proud offensive legacy in NU football. So, we've got to think outside the box a bit on this one.