And you'd be wrong. If he had done the facilities 5 years ago like he should have, we wouldn't be here now. He destroyed the football program single handedly.
Should Mitch be fired if Stoops fails?
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And you'd be wrong. If he had done the facilities 5 years ago like he should have, we wouldn't be here now. He destroyed the football program single handedly.
Yes, but how is he doing with the transsexual underwater treasure hunting team?
Which still doesn't answer my point. Previous failure is not an excuse for future failure. If you can't build a football program, then don't take the million dollar salary that goes with it. Million dollar jobs don't get to use excuses. Win or get the hell out of the way.
That horse left the barn when Barney signed away $18,000,000 of UK's money to Stoops with no strings attached.
Do you call Claiborne, Mumme, Morris a success like Kumar?
Also name one UK coach that took UK to 4 straight bowls? Rich Brooks.
Old, hackneyed argument. Bowls had just inflated like the dollar, there are dozens of them now, any 6-6 rinkydink team can go to a bowl.
The SEC record is a much more accurate measure.
Ignore 4 straight bowls his last 4 years....his first three years were rough. No doubt. But he left on a high note at UK (winning season). Most coaches leave this program involuntarily, right?
Well, you're not the ruler of the message board, so I'll post as a I please.
With that said, if you read my whole post, I said that football is by far the most important part of an athletic department. I was just disputing WC's claim that Barnhart is pretty much average by all measurements.
"Old hackneyed argument"? Really? So you're telling me you'd rather have joker, Stoops, Claiborne, etc, than Brooks?
I'd take Brooks right now in a heart beat. His team's played hard, played with heart, and his players improved individually from their freshman year to their senior year.
And in year 3, everyone and I mean everyone wanted him ran out of town. Mark Story waged a personal war against the "Oregon Boys" as he called them. After all, UK should aspire to rise to Oregon's level or anything.
Barnhart was also roundly criticized for not giving Guy Morriss a multi million dollar deal to match Baylor. Where is Guy these days? Which high school is it?
2/3 of all teams make
bowls now because there are so many of them. Brooks, who I like but was so past his prime here, benefitted from dumbing down the schedule coupled with so many new bowls created and a fan base that travels. this is not how I define success. you are free to define it however you like.
MB was fortunate to take the AD job at the same time the SEC network came online. That contract has generated millions to the UKAA ($31.2 mm in 2015), which he has used to hire coaches and improve facilities. I know it's impossible to analyze, but imagine for a moment what he would have accomplished with zero SEC network $, as CM Newton was forced to do.
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Barnhart wanted to put his stamp on things. well, he sure has. Here for nearly 15 years and he still hasn't had a coach produce as good a record as Guy did his last season.
You talking about his last year at UK or when he went back to high school? Surely you are not arguing that he should have paid the ransom for Morris
Lol. Pick two players out of hundreds that played for Brooks. C'mon - if you don't think Brooks developed players then I don't really know what to tell ya.
Straw man. Brooks was a good coach but he wasn't 'great.' Try reading for comprehension.
Brooks basically retired under protest because Barnfart wouldn't keep his promises of upgrading the facilities.
Brooks was really good. He also surrounded himself with really good coaches. Wished he had the facility upgrades they have now and coach Marrow on his staff. No telling where this program would have gone under him. He was tough as nails and his teams played like it.
This is nonsense. The #1 by far revenue generating sport is a turd. The rest is window dressing. It's no wonder he's considered a top AD by others - his football program is no threat to anyone.
Mitch has done a very good job with just about all aspects of the athletic department.......except for football.
A few notes though:
-Before Brooks, UK was not a "mediocre program." Mediocre implies in the middle or average......basically .500. Since the Bryant era ended UK had won about 4 games a yr on average........that's below mediocre. Brooks winning 7 games a yr.....regardless of how he got the wins was an improvement.
-Sure, the Joker HCIW concept was a bad decision......but Mitch seemed to take care of that in fair time.
-Just about everyone liked the Stoops hire when it was announced. At the time, UK landed a "name" coach who was one of the hottest coordinators in college football. If it doesn't work out, I won't hold it much against Mitch if he handles it well from here on out.
A few notes though:
-Before Brooks, UK was not a "mediocre program." Mediocre implies in the middle or average......basically .500. Since the Bryant era ended UK had won about 4 games a yr on average........that's below mediocre. Brooks winning 7 games a yr.....regardless of how he got the wins was an improvement.
-Sure, the Joker HCIW concept was a bad decision......but Mitch seemed to take care of that in fair time.
-Just about everyone liked the Stoops hire when it was announced. At the time, UK landed a "name" coach who was one of the hottest coordinators in college football. If it doesn't work out, I won't hold it much against Mitch if he handles it well from here on out.
On the brink of another UK football fan revolt news is coming out about changes. It's not official yet, but is being heard behind the scenes that current University of Kentucky athletics director Mitch Barnhart is soon to announce to the wildcat faithful that a new state of the art Curling rink is in the works. The location is still undecided, however it has also been leaked that it will be located adjacent to two other fantastic campus additions. The new Table Tennis and Rhythmic gymnastics forums. Nose plugs are apparently expensive so the synchronized swimming team is on hold.
I only watch women's curling. And women's volleyball, although I can't figure out why. Can I score some tickets?
Nobody's disagreeing with that, but that doesn't make him 'great.' He never did better than 4-4 in the SEC, and only did that once.