SHU Mt Rushmore power players (Big East era)
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Bryant and Delgado are no brainers. McCloud is also a solid choice. And Sandro would be my fourth.
My feeling is that a one year player doesn’t make the cut (as you could easily replace McCloud with Gaze). For that reason Griffin isn’t there.
Pete, Gaze was a wing.
As for Griffin...I did not like him personally. He was an incredibly derisive and selfish player. But what he did on the court in one year at the Hall as well as then being a lottery pick IMO is a reason you can't leave him off the list.
I misread the original request...thought it was frontcourt. Wasn't McCloud a wing also?
My feelings about Griffin as a person didn't enter into the equation. If we are talking Mr. Rushmore, you need to have at least two seasons at SHU, and even that is pushing it.
If we are talking true 4's and 5's, then I stick with Angel, Bryant, Mamu and add Jerry Walker. Great players, great leaders and they stayed here for four years.
McCloud had the body of a SF but in his day he played mostly as a 4. Nowadays he would probably be a three with an (hopefully) improved handle.
Griffin is no doubt a controversial choice for many reasons. Here's his stats below ending in the Big East ROY award and NBA lottery pick.
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Griffin is no doubt a controversial choice for many reasons. Here's his stats below ending in the Big East ROY award and NBA lottery pick.
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| Season | Team | Conf | Class | Pos | G | GS | MP | FG | FGA | FG% | 3P | 3PA | 3P% | 2P | 2PA | 2P% | eFG% | FT | FTA | FT% | ORB | DRB | TRB | AST | STL | BLK | TOV | PF | PTS | Awards |
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| 2000-01 | Seton Hall | Big East | FR | F | 30 | 30 | 32.6 | 6.9 | 16.0 | .429 | 1.4 | 4.3 | .320 | 5.5 | 11.7 | .469 | .472 | 2.7 | 3.6 | .734 | 3.1 | 7.6 | 10.8 | 1.6 | 0.9 | 4.4 | 2.2 | 2.4 | 17.8 | |
| 2000-01 | 30 | 30 | 32.6 | 6.9 | 16.0 | .429 | 1.4 | 4.3 | .320 | 5.5 | 11.7 | .469 | .472 | 2.7 | 3.6 | .734 | 3.1 | 7.6 | 10.8 | 1.6 | 0.9 | 4.4 | 2.2 | 2.4 | 17.8 |
Whitney is interesting since he was pretty much a double double for 4 years. More consistent than most others that took a year or two to develop.
McCloud was just before my time so I'm going to skip him.
The first two seem easy with Delgado and Bryant.
I think I'd go with Bryant, Delgado, Griffin, Avent.
Whitney, Mamu, Walker and Pope are probably next in that order for me.
i think walker is up there with bryant and angel. maybe a step below but at that level of import to shu. and avent is my fourth guy. jerrys career - three yrs of natl rankings, treated like one of the stawarts of college hoops for those 3 yrs, e8, s16 2 BET!!!!!!!!!!!!
i saw whitney in the jsbl before his frosh yr. he already had the up and under and just a great knowlege of how to play offense in the post.
i saw whitney in the jsbl before his frosh yr. he already had the up and under and just a great knowlege of how to play offense in the post.
Yes, Kelly is interesting. Bryant, Delgado and Walker are my 1-3 locks. Offense, defense, rebounding, intangibles and longevity. Mamu and Whitney are pretty close IMO. I leaned Sandro as he continued to improve each year and parlayed it into an NBA career.
You're probably correct. A little unfair to Jerry that he had Dehere on his teams. In their best year, Jerry put up less shots per game than the rest of those we'd consider at the 4/5. Give him 3-4 more shots per game and it would be an easier call that he belongs there.
These conversations are always interesting because there are no "correct" answers as there is no criteria on how and who to choose -- just people's opinions.
I tend to view the Mt. Rushmore conversation through a historical lens, with an anti-recency bias if you will. My NBA MR would likely not include LeBron James or even Michael Jordan but would lean more towards Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain.
For this discussion, I also considered team accomplishments.
To me, Bryant is as much of a no-brainer as there is. Walker isn't far behind. After that there are a number of options.
We've gone 12 posts in this thread without Ramon Ramos being mentioned and I would include him here. My last spot goes to Delgado, a walking double-double.
I'd consider Avent and Dalembert and maybe Sandro as well. Griffin fits from a statistical purpose but playing just one year for an underachieving team cancels things out.
I tend to view the Mt. Rushmore conversation through a historical lens, with an anti-recency bias if you will. My NBA MR would likely not include LeBron James or even Michael Jordan but would lean more towards Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain.
For this discussion, I also considered team accomplishments.
To me, Bryant is as much of a no-brainer as there is. Walker isn't far behind. After that there are a number of options.
We've gone 12 posts in this thread without Ramon Ramos being mentioned and I would include him here. My last spot goes to Delgado, a walking double-double.
I'd consider Avent and Dalembert and maybe Sandro as well. Griffin fits from a statistical purpose but playing just one year for an underachieving team cancels things out.
Anthony is on my mount
and i want more than 2 yrs so i didnt pick sam.
ramon, a huge error to not have him in the discussion from the getgo
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Ramon was an early name I thought of. Not in the top four but definitely in that next group.
Mount Rushmore of seton hall shotblockers..Ike, dalebart, Gill and Eddie griffen. Crazy how pairs of 4 best shot blockers of all time played together.
Mark Bryant
Angel Delgado
Walter Dukes (played center right?)
Eddie Griffin (probably the most gifted big we ever had)
Angel Delgado
Walter Dukes (played center right?)
Eddie Griffin (probably the most gifted big we ever had)
Mark Bryant
Angel Delgado
Jerry Walker
And Mamu for that 4th spot. The guy was here 4 years, 3 NCAAT teams, BE RS champs, and BE POY. Huge credential talking about BE era, no? He is proving to have one of the better NBA careers of an SHU alum. I’d go with him over Dalembert, Griffin, Ramos, Whitney, Avent, or Melvyn Oliver (lmaooo).
Angel Delgado
Jerry Walker
And Mamu for that 4th spot. The guy was here 4 years, 3 NCAAT teams, BE RS champs, and BE POY. Huge credential talking about BE era, no? He is proving to have one of the better NBA careers of an SHU alum. I’d go with him over Dalembert, Griffin, Ramos, Whitney, Avent, or Melvyn Oliver (lmaooo).
Eliminate Walter Dukes as this is for players during the Big East era only.
if mamu could finish like whitney he would have averged 5 point more a game. mamu waa very good, so skilled - loved watching him play, but in the paint, too many shots got blocked
Luther didn't start his decline until he got to SLC. Should have stayed for his senior year.
Russell, Wilt, Jerry West and Oscar Robertson.
As I stated in my original post I look at it from a historical perspective. The above are among the players that laid the foundation for players like Jordan.
That doesn't mean I don't think Jordan is arguably the greatest player in league history.