Shula has become the new Muschamp....

[Piscis]

Shula is being blamed for all of the shortcomings of the offense and Seller's apparent regression. I'm not arguing that Shula was great, or even good, but, I don't see him as the root cause of the problems. OCs run the offense the head coach wants them to run. Shula didn't get cart blanche to do whatever he wanted to do. Beamer met with him and told him what he wanted to see on offense. I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do on offense. The offense under Beamer has never had a real identity so it is hard for an OC to make much difference.

I have noticed a definite trend among gamecock fans. When the team is not doing well, fans always find a villain to blame everything on. It is generally a coach or coordinator that is no longer here. Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Holtz's age, Spurrier quitting mid season (this is despicable), Muschamp, Satterfield, Teasley and now Shula have all been blamed exclusively for the failures of the team after they were fired or left. The replacement is always going to be the savior and never is. There is also a tendency to think the coaching jobs at South Carolina are somehow coveted among big time coaches, they are not. Fans say "let's get _________ as OC" like all that has to happen is for Donati or Tanner or whoever to pick up the phone and call __________ and offer them a job and that coach will throw down whatever he is doing and jump at the chance to coach at South Carolina. The reality is, South Carolina is not a very desirable destination for coaches as far as their future is concerned. Who was the last head football coach who was hired away? I'll give you a minute to think on this one.

Gamecock fans become so invested in the pre season hype surrounding the coaches and players, they refuse to consider that the players simply aren't as good as what has been sold to the fans and that the coaches might be getting the best they can out of them. Fans still talk about Sellers like he is some sort of special QB talent. He is not. He really isn't that good of a QB. He is a great athlete but he is not a good QB. Stewart is good, but he isn't special. Thomas is arguably better than Stewart. Two years ago, the fans were crowing about the great talent coming in at OL but they have turned out to be very mediocre.

Why gamecock fans do this to themselves over and over is a mystery. South Carolina football has never been really good outside of the three year stretch with Spurrier. None of the factors that have held gamecock football back have gone away and aren't going to go away. Gamecock fans should practice some self help and stop putting unrealistic expectations on the team every Spring and Summer only to have their hopes dashed shortly into the season. Enjoy the wins and the game day experience with friends and family and shrug off the losses. The prior coach or coordinator is not the devil who cursed the team. Let go.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Yes and No to the above, responding in order:

"I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do..." Not limited to offense, he just has a Clayton White who's doing fine with the defense.

When the team isn't doing well there is someone or some, who are at fault. That doesn't mean there is a belief that the next man up is a guaranteed fix. It's just that when you know what you have doesn't work you move on. But also when you hear some of these dudes talk, yeah they're the villain. Satterfield was a dolt.

Concur on the "let's get this coach for _______" Sentiment. Have never understood this. Good example was how Matt Campbell's name used to be thrown around alot for HC. He would have never come to SC imo.

I think most here didn't buy into the hype for 2025. Traditionally optimism among fans has been an unexplained & unwarranted mainstay. It still exist, but if this board is representative of the fanbase as a whole that blind optimism is circling the drain as it should. However regarding this season - while there should not have been blind optimism there also was no reason to expect the disaster on offense we've seen this year. The bowl game from last season could be pointed to but bowl games for a while have not been an indicator of the coming season.

 

[Guy in the Back]

Shula is being blamed for all of the shortcomings of the offense and Seller's apparent regression. I'm not arguing that Shula was great, or even good, but, I don't see him as the root cause of the problems. OCs run the offense the head coach wants them to run. Shula didn't get cart blanche to do whatever he wanted to do. Beamer met with him and told him what he wanted to see on offense. I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do on offense. The offense under Beamer has never had a real identity so it is hard for an OC to make much difference.

I have noticed a definite trend among gamecock fans. When the team is not doing well, fans always find a villain to blame everything on. It is generally a coach or coordinator that is no longer here. Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Holtz's age, Spurrier quitting mid season (this is despicable), Muschamp, Satterfield, Teasley and now Shula have all been blamed exclusively for the failures of the team after they were fired or left. The replacement is always going to be the savior and never is. There is also a tendency to think the coaching jobs at South Carolina are somehow coveted among big time coaches, they are not. Fans say "let's get _________ as OC" like all that has to happen is for Donati or Tanner or whoever to pick up the phone and call __________ and offer them a job and that coach will throw down whatever he is doing and jump at the chance to coach at South Carolina. The reality is, South Carolina is not a very desirable destination for coaches as far as their future is concerned. Who was the last head football coach who was hired away? I'll give you a minute to think on this one.

Gamecock fans become so invested in the pre season hype surrounding the coaches and players, they refuse to consider that the players simply aren't as good as what has been sold to the fans and that the coaches might be getting the best they can out of them. Fans still talk about Sellers like he is some sort of special QB talent. He is not. He really isn't that good of a QB. He is a great athlete but he is not a good QB. Stewart is good, but he isn't special. Thomas is arguably better than Stewart. Two years ago, the fans were crowing about the great talent coming in at OL but they have turned out to be very mediocre.

Why gamecock fans do this to themselves over and over is a mystery. South Carolina football has never been really good outside of the three year stretch with Spurrier. None of the factors that have held gamecock football back have gone away and aren't going to go away. Gamecock fans should practice some self help and stop putting unrealistic expectations on the team every Spring and Summer only to have their hopes dashed shortly into the season. Enjoy the wins and the game day experience with friends and family and shrug off the losses. The prior coach or coordinator is not the devil who cursed the team. Let go.

You can put me in the Shula hurt Sellars crowd. Not because I dislike Shula, but Sellars’ have changed once he was in charge. The way Sellars played the bowl game was a drastic change in the way he had played games 1-12. The major change…Loggains for Shula. That style of play continued this year. That style of play did not maximize Sellers’ talent.

And while Beamer may tell the OC the style of offense he wants, I’m not sure he is as hands-on. Even he complained early in the season that we had abandoned the QB run game.

Sellars is a good QB. He is not a pocket passer that we tried to make him this year. He is very good on the move. The best pass he threw Saturday, he was moving to his right.

i don’t think Stewart is a generational talent, but he is pretty good. Needs to add weight. Nothing against Thomas, but do you think he gets what he gets if Stewart isn’t on the DL?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

I think it's at the legislative level and the BOT level.

This level of mediocrity is planned and coordinated. It's no accident.

 

[Anon1742573506]

Shula is being blamed for all of the shortcomings of the offense and Seller's apparent regression. I'm not arguing that Shula was great, or even good, but, I don't see him as the root cause of the problems. OCs run the offense the head coach wants them to run. Shula didn't get cart blanche to do whatever he wanted to do. Beamer met with him and told him what he wanted to see on offense. I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do on offense. The offense under Beamer has never had a real identity so it is hard for an OC to make much difference.

I have noticed a definite trend among gamecock fans. When the team is not doing well, fans always find a villain to blame everything on. It is generally a coach or coordinator that is no longer here. Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Holtz's age, Spurrier quitting mid season (this is despicable), Muschamp, Satterfield, Teasley and now Shula have all been blamed exclusively for the failures of the team after they were fired or left. The replacement is always going to be the savior and never is. There is also a tendency to think the coaching jobs at South Carolina are somehow coveted among big time coaches, they are not. Fans say "let's get _________ as OC" like all that has to happen is for Donati or Tanner or whoever to pick up the phone and call __________ and offer them a job and that coach will throw down whatever he is doing and jump at the chance to coach at South Carolina. The reality is, South Carolina is not a very desirable destination for coaches as far as their future is concerned. Who was the last head football coach who was hired away? I'll give you a minute to think on this one.

Gamecock fans become so invested in the pre season hype surrounding the coaches and players, they refuse to consider that the players simply aren't as good as what has been sold to the fans and that the coaches might be getting the best they can out of them. Fans still talk about Sellers like he is some sort of special QB talent. He is not. He really isn't that good of a QB. He is a great athlete but he is not a good QB. Stewart is good, but he isn't special. Thomas is arguably better than Stewart. Two years ago, the fans were crowing about the great talent coming in at OL but they have turned out to be very mediocre.

Why gamecock fans do this to themselves over and over is a mystery. South Carolina football has never been really good outside of the three year stretch with Spurrier. None of the factors that have held gamecock football back have gone away and aren't going to go away. Gamecock fans should practice some self help and stop putting unrealistic expectations on the team every Spring and Summer only to have their hopes dashed shortly into the season. Enjoy the wins and the game day experience with friends and family and shrug off the losses. The prior coach or coordinator is not the devil who cursed the team. Let go.

You're a gamecock fan from pre 1990... correct? Right with ya.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Shula is being blamed for all of the shortcomings of the offense and Seller's apparent regression. I'm not arguing that Shula was great, or even good, but, I don't see him as the root cause of the problems. OCs run the offense the head coach wants them to run. Shula didn't get cart blanche to do whatever he wanted to do. Beamer met with him and told him what he wanted to see on offense. I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do on offense. The offense under Beamer has never had a real identity so it is hard for an OC to make much difference.

I have noticed a definite trend among gamecock fans. When the team is not doing well, fans always find a villain to blame everything on. It is generally a coach or coordinator that is no longer here. Sparky Woods, Brad Scott, Holtz's age, Spurrier quitting mid season (this is despicable), Muschamp, Satterfield, Teasley and now Shula have all been blamed exclusively for the failures of the team after they were fired or left. The replacement is always going to be the savior and never is. There is also a tendency to think the coaching jobs at South Carolina are somehow coveted among big time coaches, they are not. Fans say "let's get _________ as OC" like all that has to happen is for Donati or Tanner or whoever to pick up the phone and call __________ and offer them a job and that coach will throw down whatever he is doing and jump at the chance to coach at South Carolina. The reality is, South Carolina is not a very desirable destination for coaches as far as their future is concerned. Who was the last head football coach who was hired away? I'll give you a minute to think on this one.

Gamecock fans become so invested in the pre season hype surrounding the coaches and players, they refuse to consider that the players simply aren't as good as what has been sold to the fans and that the coaches might be getting the best they can out of them. Fans still talk about Sellers like he is some sort of special QB talent. He is not. He really isn't that good of a QB. He is a great athlete but he is not a good QB. Stewart is good, but he isn't special. Thomas is arguably better than Stewart. Two years ago, the fans were crowing about the great talent coming in at OL but they have turned out to be very mediocre.

Why gamecock fans do this to themselves over and over is a mystery. South Carolina football has never been really good outside of the three year stretch with Spurrier. None of the factors that have held gamecock football back have gone away and aren't going to go away. Gamecock fans should practice some self help and stop putting unrealistic expectations on the team every Spring and Summer only to have their hopes dashed shortly into the season. Enjoy the wins and the game day experience with friends and family and shrug off the losses. The prior coach or coordinator is not the devil who cursed the team. Let go.

Couldn't squeeze another paragraph in?

 

[Go Gamecocks]

The major change…Loggains for Shula.

Rocket Sanders...

 

[18IsTheMan]

Shula is being blamed for all of the shortcomings of the offense and Seller's apparent regression. I'm not arguing that Shula was great, or even good, but, I don't see him as the root cause of the problems. OCs run the offense the head coach wants them to run. Shula didn't get cart blanche to do whatever he wanted to do. Beamer met with him and told him what he wanted to see on offense. I don't think Beamer really knows what he wants to do on offense. The offense under Beamer has never had a real identity so it is hard for an OC to make much difference.

Just now read this, but I just posted in another thread asking if we are having trouble landing an OC b/c there is a perception that OCs are failing here b/c of how Beamer runs things or that he meddles too much in the offense. Maybe Beamer thinks he knows more about offense than he really does.

All good leaders know what they don't know and surround themselves with people who DO know. We can hate on Dabo all we want, but as he grew into the HC role, he was able to identify high quality assistants who knew what he didn't know. EVERY successful coach has to do this.

If Beamer's mindset is that he knows offense and how he wants the offense to run, we might just be screwed.