SIAP: Cincinnati was 4th in total plays this year. Kentucky was 107th

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If he's hired three spread offense coordinators who were known for running lots of plays prior to coming here and are unable to once they got here, who do you think applied the brakes?

Can't run a lot of plays if you are going 3 and out frequently.

Obviously, changing that is job 1 for Gran.

Yep. Im sure Stoops would love to get more plays in. But that requires moving the ball and getting first downs, something we've struggled with.
 
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Sure there is a chance you can go 3 and out and put the defense back on the field by running the hurry up offense. Don't you think there is also a chance that by running a hurry up offense that we can catch the defense off guard and potentially complete more passes or have some more big runs? You all are automatically assuming running a hurry up offense will lead to more 3 and outs and not more positive plays by not giving the defense time to sub or adjust. Being an underdog requires you to take chances and not play like the more talented teams and just be able to milk the clock and win.
 

CATFANFOLIFE87

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Did you see that the other guy called me a retard before I said any name calling at all? Did you just not reply to my post with personal attacks during your very first reply to me before discussing anything? Let's all take a look at the pot calling the kettle black yall. Did I ever use a word as offensive as the word retard like the other guy did before I came with any personal attacks towards him? Didn't make an attack towards him or you until you all did first. The people on this board are so biased and ridiculous if you don't share the same opinions as them its crazy. Then they try coming up with nonsense to make them look like like the bigger man when in fact you're just making yourself look dumb as hell.

I pretty much scanned over what you typed after the first sentence. You're telling me we had to learn an ENTIRELY NEW OFFENSE??????? I just can't value your opinion any longer after a statement like that. Either that or you just don't follow Kentucky football to know any better but if that's the case then why make such statements? All I heard about in the preseason, and many of the fans on this board. Is how Dawson's offense was a very easy smooth transition from Browns offense just a few different things and a lil bit of different terminology (towles preseason quote btw) but the consensus in the preseason from the coaches and players is that there was literally no transition at all between Browns offense and Dawson's offense. The stuff people on this board say, can't make it up. You seriously just said "an entirely new offense" and you said it with confidence too how hilarious.

You're acting as if we were transitioning from a spread offense to a triple option offense. Hate to break it to you, buttercup. But it wasn't an entirely new offense we had to learn. We just transitioned from a spread offense.... To a spread offense. And the same sentiment was voiced by the players and coaches before the season when they made statements such as there being no transition between the OCs (huge reason Dawson was hired btw is because there would be no transition phase with the offense from Browns offense, at least according to stoops that was one of Dawson's pluses in the preseason). Expect the same with gran, little to no transition phase, definitely not going to be dramatic by calling it an "entirely new offense" as if we haven't ran a spread offense the last 3 years! How dumb. Just sounds like an excuse for you to use for stoops sake in case things don't pan out. With all the excuses stoops came up with this year, at least he didn't use "an entirely new offense" as one of them. Because that wasn't the issue. And he knows the fans aren't that damn naive, except for a couple (example: you).

With statements such as we had to "learn an entirely new offense" to me just makes you sound like one of the most hardcore stoops apologists this board has to offer. What an excuse man. Haven't heard that one yet. Pure gold.
Yes preseason it was said the the offense wouldn't be a tough transition but when push came to shove the offense was nothing like Brown's. Brown's offense is predicated on short routes to the perimeter. Hitches and outs mostly and it was more effective in hiding the weakness of our offensive line that was incapable of holding long blocks.

Dawson's offense was predicated on vertical passing routes off of play action. Plays that took much longer to develop and it exposed the weaknesses of our offensive line and crippled our ability to sustain drives. That's probably the biggest reason why we weren't able to play fast.

The offense was nothing like Brown's and anyone with remedial knowledge of football could see that. For someone that knows so much about football I didn't see anything in your response that would hint that you know a thing about it. More attacks with no substance as usual. I don't post much in the lair anymore because of trolls like you. Everything devolves into a pissing match
 

DaBossIsBack

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Lol you're an ******* with no common sense how nice. My 'conjecture' was based on the FACTS that his 2 spread OCs ran way less plays than they were supposed to. If you watched the games and saw how conservative the play calling got once we had the lead and watched how we tried our best to dwindle the clock down, that's not the way these coordinators were brought up. Neal brown has never coached that way, Dawson was new to the gig but I highly doubt since he was a spread coordinator that his coaching philosophy had anything to do with being conservative. Stoops on the other hand is a very conservative football mind. So why are these spread coordinators all of a sudden out of nowhere becoming so conservative? Did they just one day wake up and decide to change their philosophy on the sport they've coached their whole lives? Or did stoops instill a little bit of his philosophy into their game plan? I'll let you decide.

You can call it conjecture if you want but to me it's pointing out the absolute obvious using simple logic with the facts at hand. You're an absolute idiot if you want to believe that if stoops tells a coordinator to go conservative, that they're not going to do what their employer tells them to do. Yes he does keep hiring spread coordinators, I'll give you that for whatever that's worth? But am I going to sit here and pretend he doesn't interfere with the pass happy offenses these OCs like to run? I mean there's gotta be a reason these offenses run the ball way more than they've ever had in their entire careers once arriving here. And you keep reiterating the fact stoops keeps hiring spread coordinators so that's the kind of offense he wants? I don't believe for an effing second that stoops has a clue what he's doing right now outside of recruiting.

As far as in game coaching goes I think the man is as clueless as the sport has ever seen. So to use that as your evidence, to me, is completely irrelevant because I quite frankly don't know what the hell stoops wants out of an offense. Did you see an offensive identity this year? Yea me neither. And that's up to the HEAD coach to establish an identity for his team by recognizing his teams strengths and weaknesses, that's the head coaches job believe it or not. So since I am a firm believer that Stoops doesn't even know what he wants with his offense, why on gods green earth would I think you know what he wants with his offense? Unless taking a lead then going conservative is an identity to you then sure I'll let you have that one. None of these OCs coach that way though. Were we supposed to have a damn good offense this year? That's at least what the coaches told us. Why during the beginning of the year did we go with the deep ball on a fairly consistent basis, why is it by midseason that wasn't even an option?

I guess these OCs just changed their philosophies over night as you say. GD moron right here. To think people can't use simple facts to come up with real conclusions by calling it conjecture then you're going to live a very clueless life. If everybody lived life like this then there would never be crimes solved and murder would almost be legal because motives are all 'conjecture'. For example say a wife kills her husband for insurance purposes so she can collect a big life insurance check or will money or what have you, the prosecutor can't use the motive of her wanting her husbands money as evidence because it's conjecture? Please get real for only a second, look in the mirror, and realize how much of an idiot you are. And it's funny because you actually think you're all knowing when you type. Comical.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha:joy::joy:[roll]:eek:kay:
 
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wildcatdon

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This whole stoops doesn't want this style is the dumbest thing on this board. If he doesn't want to run this style then why has he hired three spread coordinators who were known for running a lot of plays? It's unbelievable. The whole argument is completely baseless and one of the dumbest things I've heard on this entire board.
Agree. Where some of these people have come up with this is beyond me...It is like a wildfire out west the way this myth keeps spreading..
 
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wildcatdon

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Why did these coordinators numbers of called plays drastically decrease under stoops? Coincidence or maybe stoops has something to do with it? Probably just a coincidence you're right man.
Couldn't make first downs..Play calling was atrocious. That has as much to do with it as anything. And Stoops wasn't calling the plays. Idiot Dawson was.
 
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Yes preseason it was said the the offense wouldn't be a tough transition but when push came to shove the offense was nothing like Brown's. Brown's offense is predicated on short routes to the perimeter. Hitches and outs mostly and it was more effective in hiding the weakness of our offensive line that was incapable of holding long blocks.

Dawson's offense was predicated on vertical passing routes off of play action. Plays that took much longer to develop and it exposed the weaknesses of our offensive line and crippled our ability to sustain drives. That's probably the biggest reason why we weren't able to play fast.

The offense was nothing like Brown's and anyone with remedial knowledge of football could see that. For someone that knows so much about football I didn't see anything in your response that would hint that you know a thing about it. More attacks with no substance as usual. I don't post much in the lair anymore because of trolls like you. Everything devolves into a pissing match
As I said. You words are that we had to learn an entirely new offense. You are wrong, no we didn't. There may have been some different wrinkles and stuff like that but it wasn't an entirely new offense. And you were the one who started the personal attack? I was just being honest.
 
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Faster pace can help an offense if they can execute it. It makes everything worse if they can't execute.
That's really the bottom line. Playing fast when you don't execute well and can't consistently move the chains just means more snaps for your defense. Even with the seemingly endless depth we have on the D line, that's a recipe for disaster.....
 
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You're too stupid to insult. The entire basis of the offense was different it wasn't a "wrinkle". An offense that's predicated on RPO and throwing vertically off of play action vs an offense that rarely throws 20 yards down field or uses the middle of the field. Just because they line up in a spread formation doesn't mean it wasn't a completely different offense. Did you watch the games? Maybe you should rewatch them and get a pen and paper so you can take notes. High school is back in session for you on Monday right? You shouldn't be home alone unsupervised
I'm not going to read all of this because after the first 2 sentences it's just proving how unintelligent you are. The team, the coaches, the players, ALL SAID THERE WAS LITTLE TO NO TRANSITION, PATRICK TOWLES, OUR QB LAST SEASON EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF, STOOPS EVEN SAID IT WAS A BIG REASON FOR DAWSONS HIRING. These coaches came up with every excuse possible during the season saying things such as "if the play worked we'd be geniuses" just a bunch of sore loser stuff like that thru out the entire season. But not even the coaches used transition as a reason for our offensive struggles. So no matter what you say, that doesn't mean it's true! In fact it's a proven lie because every player and coach just about said themself that there was no transition. Who should I believe, what our coaches and players say, or what some guy that goes by catfanfolife says? Tough decision. I don't think the players and coaches were lying, maybe you think stoops and towles and all of our players were lying. But I'm just not going to say that because I'm not going to make a complete dumbass of myself. Youre saying this stuff as if it's a fact which is so funny to me, as I said we went from a spread offense to a spread offense. Towles himself said there was no transition just a few wrinkles and a little bit different terminology. Instead of listening to you, I'm going to listen to towles and the coaches.

Yes there was more downfield passing during the first few games of the season I agree (middle to end of season downfield passing was nonexistent), but does that make it an entirely new offense like you claim? Again. As I said, as the coaches said, as the players said, there was no transition. We went from a spread offense to a spread offense. We didn't go from a spread offense to a triple option or pro style. We went from a spread to a spread, and you're trying to call it an entirely new offense? And at the same time you're trying to come at mewith personal attacks trying to act like I'm dumb? When I, the coaches, and the players all disagree with you? If you're calling me dumb for not believing in your very irrelevant, very wrong, and very ridiculous opinion that the coaches and players have already disproved themselves before the season even started. Then you're also calling the coaches and players dumb for not agreeing that there was no transition. You absolutely can't make this stuff up.
 

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This whole stoops doesn't want this style is the dumbest thing on this board. If he doesn't want to run this style then why has he hired three spread coordinators who were known for running a lot of plays? It's unbelievable. The whole argument is completely baseless and one of the dumbest things I've heard on this entire board.

This is correct.
 
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CATFANFOLIFE87

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I'm not going to read all of this because after the first 2 sentences it's just proving how unintelligent you are. The team, the coaches, the players, ALL SAID THERE WAS LITTLE TO NO TRANSITION, PATRICK TOWLES, OUR QB LAST SEASON EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF, STOOPS EVEN SAID IT WAS A BIG REASON FOR DAWSONS HIRING. These coaches came up with every excuse possible during the season saying things such as "if the play worked we'd be geniuses" just a bunch of sore loser stuff like that thru out the entire season. But not even the coaches used transition as a reason for our offensive struggles. So no matter what you say, that doesn't mean it's true! In fact it's a proven lie because every player and coach just about said themself that there was no transition. Who should I believe, what our coaches and players say, or what some guy that goes by catfanfolife says? Tough decision. I don't think the players and coaches were lying, maybe you think stoops and towles and all of our player are lying. But I'm just not going to say that because I'm not going to make a complete dumbass of myself. Youre saying this stuff as if it's a fact which is so funny to me, as I said we went from a spread offense to a spread offense. Towles himself said there was no transition just a few wrinkles and a little bit different terminology. Instead of listening to you, I'm going to listen to towles and the coaches.

Yes there was more downfield passing during the first few games of the season I agree (middle to end of season downfield passing was nonexistent), but does that make it an entirely new offense like you claim? Again. As I said, as the coaches said, as the players said, there was no transition. We went from a spread offense to a spread offense. We didn't go from a spread offense to a triple option or pro style. We went from a spread to a spread, and you're trying to call it an entirely new offense? And at the same time you're trying to come at mewith personal attacks trying to act like I'm dumb? When I, the coaches, and the players all disagree with you? If you're calling me dumb for not believing in your very irrelevant, very wrong, and very ridiculous opinion that the coaches and players have already disproved themselves before the season even started. Then you're also calling the coaches and players dumb for not agreeing that there was no transition. You absolutely can't make this stuff up.
Before the season started.. Read that to yourself again.. BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.. Anyone with half of a brain will tell you that Dawson's offense was not what he advertised it to be. Rendering all comments from coaches, players, and Dawson BEFORE THE SEASON completely useless as a basis for debate. If Dawson had run the offense that he claimed he was going to run he'd still be here. Honestly did that offense look ANYTHING like what Brown ran to you? Your answer will tell me whether you actually know what a football looks like
 
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Before the season started.. Read that to yourself again.. BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED.. Anyone with half of a brain will tell you that Dawson's offense was not what he advertised it to be. Rendering all comments from coaches, players, and Dawson BEFORE THE SEASON completely useless as a basis for debate. If Dawson had run the offense that he claimed he was going to run he'd still be here
I'm not saying Dawson isn't the worst OC I've ever seen call plays in my entire life. Because he is. An absolutely horrible hire by stoops that makes him look way in over his head. But did they have to learn an entirely new offense? Was the offense they practiced week in and week out completely different? Nope. Just because the offense sucked, means there was a transition phase? Obviously brown is better than Dawson. But was there a transition? Nope. Just because it was inept doesn't mean there was a transition phase. And I keep wondering why is it he went from a bunch of downfield passing to conservative midway thru the season and midway thru games when we had the lead. I guess overnight he just changed his offensive philosophy.
 

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Then what about Brown? I bet his plays were way down when he came here. I don't think it is a coincidence. You don't let up on teams like we did after halftime all the time unless you want to.

[roll] Jalen flipping Whitlow was the QB in Stoops first year. We couldn't run a snails paced offense let alone a high paced offense. Good Lord

[pfftt]
 

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I contend that The HC decided early on (pre-season) that this year's offense was not going to be an uptempo offense. That is something that has to be the very fabric of your team to be successful and has to start with the first snap of practice and continue. You can't sorta run it no more than you can sorta run Air Raid, Triple Option, Spread Option and be successful.

There were no detectable signs that was the case here. We were at best a conventional paced team from the start.
 

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I think Stoops would like to have an up tempo offense. That's why we've hired the coordinators we have. We didn't have the team to be able to do that unfortunately. I think one reason we weren't able to go up tempo like we wanted was the defense. With the defense not being very good Stoops and Co. tried to protect the defense. Going up tempo on offense can put a ton of pressure on the defense if the offense has to punt after 3-5 plays.