Siemian looking great vs. the Titans
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Kid can sling it! I almost got to feel what it's like to be on the wrong end of a Trevor Siemian Cardiac Saints comeback.
^ So that's what you took away from the game and not the missed PATs, the fumble on a kickoff, penalties/dropped passes and that roughing the passer penalty which took away a Saints int? Lol
Yeah, maybe Trevor should have tried to thrown it away, but that also leaves the chance of getting hit and losing the ball while trying to throw it out of bounds (the interior of the Saints O-line with Ruin did no favors fir Siemian today).
Despite 2 tough losses (in games the Saints should have won), wouldn't be surprised if Sean is thinking in the back of his mind (even if Jameis resigns and comes back healthy) that maybe he should stick with Trevor (stated a while ago that with experience, TS had the chance to be the best QB in his draft class).
If not, there are some teams that could use a starting QB, such as the Steelers.
While the Steelers O-line is a work in progress, they have the weapons to make Siemian's medium passing attack work, along with Harris running the ball.
Yeah, maybe Trevor should have tried to thrown it away, but that also leaves the chance of getting hit and losing the ball while trying to throw it out of bounds (the interior of the Saints O-line with Ruin did no favors fir Siemian today).
Despite 2 tough losses (in games the Saints should have won), wouldn't be surprised if Sean is thinking in the back of his mind (even if Jameis resigns and comes back healthy) that maybe he should stick with Trevor (stated a while ago that with experience, TS had the chance to be the best QB in his draft class).
If not, there are some teams that could use a starting QB, such as the Steelers.
While the Steelers O-line is a work in progress, they have the weapons to make Siemian's medium passing attack work, along with Harris running the ball.
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No that’s not what I took away from it. Trevor played great. Would love for the Bears to sign him as Field’s backup for next year. having said that, to this day he exhibits some of the same flaws that made him a less than ideal fit to play QB at NU with the talent that was surrounding him at the time.
You have to admire Trevor’s persistence and his composure. In some ways being a backup QB is the best gig in the NFL - good pay, no hits and no media pressure. He has risen to the occasion in NO after getting an opportunity that he didn’t expect to have - good decisions, protecting the ball and throwing accurately. Though he’s a “veteran”, his future looks bright whether with the Saints or elsewhere. And Trevor is a great guy. I think Sean Payton is probably very pleased to have added him to his roster.
In late 2020, Sean Payton was looking for a quarterback to replace the aging Drew Brees... He asked his receivers "who was the best quarterback to ever throw you a pass?" They all said "Drew Brees."
Except for one guy - a receiver named Austin Carr.
Carr said "Trevor Siemian."
"Better than Brees?"
"Oh yeah, absolutely."
"Didn't you go thru a preseason with the Patriots?"
"Yup. Siemian's better than Brady"
So Sean Payton tracked down Trevor Siemian and signed him to a contract...
and promptly waived Austin Carr.
Except for one guy - a receiver named Austin Carr.
Carr said "Trevor Siemian."
"Better than Brees?"
"Oh yeah, absolutely."
"Didn't you go thru a preseason with the Patriots?"
"Yup. Siemian's better than Brady"
So Sean Payton tracked down Trevor Siemian and signed him to a contract...
and promptly waived Austin Carr.
no, its total BS.... I just felt like making something up that would amuse NU fans.
Why? Do you dislike Trevor?
My goals for him: 1) don't get any more injuries 2) be financially set when he retires. It would be cool if he develops into a multi-year starter at this point (he's nearly 30!!) but I'm mostly interested in him not being beaten up too badly.
We were discussing TS and his play. The other stuff sucked for the Saints fans and was out of TS control. He was pointing out the up and down nature of TS play which was under his control. Fact is that he is still doing some of the same things now as he did when he was here and those things are what keeps him as more of a backup than being the guy.
He was really good when he was at QB for NU.
What deficiencies are you specifically talking about?
Just curious.
Trevor looked surprisingly good. I think he is better than Hill (good QB). Trevor didnt even have Alvin but the team believed in him and it was great. Titans are good as tannyhill may be a top 5 qb. But trevor is looking solid as heck.
He was good in a limited role. But he had a gunslinger mentality and often put the ball in harms way. Very lucky that he did not have a LOT of balls intercepted as he threw them into defenders arms several times a game. Probably had a lot to do with him being the change of pace guy rather than the #1 that the D had prepared for. . He also had limited mobility so his holding on to the ball too long, trying to make the big play ... These are the reasons that for much of his time here, he was best in limited doses.
I am glad he was here and he often gave a spark coming off the bench but I also understand why he was not the starter for most of his time here.
He has now had 6 more years of 100% time on FB and some of these issues have been overcome but not all of them
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It has nothing to do with disliking him. Just recognizing his limitations.
And as far as your goals for him, financially he is likely to do just fine. Not sure that he will be a multi year starter but he will have opportunities as he is a solid backup. And being the backup for the most part is likely to have him retiring relatively healthy
Siemian was the starter his junior and senior years. He split time with Colter when he (Siemian) was a sophomore.
I think your memory of him is not so accurate.
I was being sarcastic about why would anyone wish for him to play for the dysfunctional org that is the Bears?
He still shared time with Colter in 2013, although Kain was nicked up a lot and missed a couple of games and parts of others. Remember Kain got clocked by that Cal punk at the very beginning of that game. See CFB reference link
I think if you check, TS was not really the starter his Jr year. KC was untill injuries thrust TS into starting role. He got to the starting role in games do more to injuries to KC. than anything else. He got a fair amount of playing time but not really as the starter for most of the year as our base O was more run oriented and KC was better suited to that. But injuries limited KC and that eventually put TS in to the starting role later in the year.
TS was given the reigns his senior season but even that was cut short as he got injured after the ND game (Purdue on QB sneak). And his record as a starter, really not that good (but that was more the whole team). During those two years he actually threw more INTs than TDs including 7 tds and 11 INTS in 2014 (he had 11 tds and 9 INTs as a jr as he got away with a lot of throws into defenders hands)
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^ As we have seen with Mahomes' recent struggles, QBs tend to turn the ball over when they need to do more to make up for the points that the D is giving up, esp. behind a bad O-line.
Is Mac Jones the more talented QB than Trevor Lawrence?
Lawrence is playing without much talent around him, whereas Jones is being protected by the Pats D, a run game and literally protected by their O-line (only 3 pressures last Sunday).
Remember, the 2013 and 2014 teams were riddled with injuries, and yet for the 2014 season, Trevor led the Cats in beating Penn State, Wisky, Notre Dame and but for incompetent coaching, would have gotten the quad-fecta with Michigan.
Bacher gets underrated as well due to his TD to INT ratio, but he had to take risks to try to score points.
Now, back to Siemian.
Is Mac Jones the more talented QB than Trevor Lawrence?
Lawrence is playing without much talent around him, whereas Jones is being protected by the Pats D, a run game and literally protected by their O-line (only 3 pressures last Sunday).
Remember, the 2013 and 2014 teams were riddled with injuries, and yet for the 2014 season, Trevor led the Cats in beating Penn State, Wisky, Notre Dame and but for incompetent coaching, would have gotten the quad-fecta with Michigan.
Bacher gets underrated as well due to his TD to INT ratio, but he had to take risks to try to score points.
Now, back to Siemian.
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Which is nothing compared to numerous other backups who aren't as good as Trevor.
Frickin Mike Glennon has earned nearly $32 million in career earnings.
Every QB has flaws - Brady has 4 INTs in his last 2 games.
Why would Siemian come to the Bears to be a backup for a system that wouldn't suit him?
Much less to play behind a mediocre O-line, albeit the Saints O-line isn't quite as good as it used to be (particularly the interior).
If Trevor keeps on playing the way he has, wouldn't be surprised if we see another QB battle in NO next season (but this time, btwn Trevor and Jameis).
Also wouldn't be surprised if a team in need of a starting QB (like the Steelers) show interest in signing Siemian.
Payton's WC-based O is a tricky O for a QB to learn and master and Trevor has spent less than a year with NO, spending last season as the scout team QB and getting only few snaps in OTAs, camp and the pre-season this season, much less having reps throwing to the starters.
It took Matt Ryan and Rodgers a full season and 2 camps under their belts to get comfortable with Shanahan's and LaFleur's respective WC schemes.
Always stated that a scheme like Payton's is well suited to Trevor, requiring the QB to make quick decisions and to spread the ball around, and that Trevor, given time and experience, would become a reasonable facsimile of a Brees, Brady and Manning (QBs that relied upon their intellect and knowledge of the game moreso than their physical talents).
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My memory of Trevor Siemian at NU... when he had time to throw, he rarely threw a bad pass.
And I discussed TS. (but somewhat true of both players)He threw A LOT into defenders arms. He got away with a number of them, perhaps because the D did game preparation for KC.This thread is about Trevor, not Marty.
/s/.
Again, look at his last two years. Threw more INTs that TDs. That means he threw a number of bad balls. Whether that was lack of time or whatever, he threw them and a lot more that could/should have been picked off. If it was lack of time then you see why KC was the starter as his mobility gave the added dimension that was necessary with the OL.
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He may have led us to those three wins but he also led us to a number of losses as well. As a starter he lost more than he won
And no one is saying that he hasn't made strides since he left NU. He has had 6 years of focusing on FB.
When the QB is better than his receivers, you have to blame the receivers more than the QB. Siemian had to throw into tight windows all the time.
We are all very proud of Trevor. I wish him ongoing success. But - let's not pretend that, while at NU, he was the best QB we ever had simply because he's done well in the NFL. Blame Fitz, blame the WR's, blame the system, whatever. I don't see him as a top 10 NU QB even amongst the ones I've seen in person, so, say, starting with Kerrigan.
I see Persa, Thor, Baz, Kustok, Ramsey, Schnur, Kafka as clearly better, and some others as good or better. Didn't really get to see Lenny Williams much in the pre-ESPN era. CJ had better weapons but a lot of production. Colter was unable to pass but was productive and won games. Trevor clearly better than Kerrigan, Schwab, Greenfield, Hoffman, Hughes, O'Brien, Bradshaw, and the 2019 and 2021 mess.
Steve Tasker was a very exciting player in limited duty for the Cats, let's not pretend he was an all time great Wildcat because he played in the NFL for 13 years.