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Meh. I think if you're the individual with the concealed firearm, sure.
If you're not the one with the gun, though, the odds of you benefitting from it are fairly slim. Take the odds of being near an active shooter....multiple those by the odds of having a concealed weapon in the crowd....and multiply those by the odds of that concealed weapon doing any good. Pretty insignificant benefit overall, IMO. But I suppose it's theoretically there.
Obv this doesn't include federal Air Marshals, etc
If you're not the one with the gun, though, the odds of you benefitting from it are fairly slim. Take the odds of being near an active shooter....multiple those by the odds of having a concealed weapon in the crowd....and multiply those by the odds of that concealed weapon doing any good. Pretty insignificant benefit overall, IMO. But I suppose it's theoretically there.
Obv this doesn't include federal Air Marshals, etc
Not safer, or necessarily any less safe either.
I'm all for carrying, though. I don't personally, but if cowboy Joe wants to take out a threat, then go for it. Just don't miss and get ya boy shot up.
I'm all for carrying, though. I don't personally, but if cowboy Joe wants to take out a threat, then go for it. Just don't miss and get ya boy shot up.
I don't really ever feel in danger to have a feeling of safe or not depending on if others have guns. Whether someone has a gun or not really doesn't effect me, or cross my mind.
I don't understand the gun culture in this country. I don't understand the whole conceal carry thing. Just don't get it, and never will. Think its pretty dumb. But, I also don't really care that much. Its about #1000 on a list of things I actually think about, so whatever.
A few more unsuspecting "bad guys" getting shot while trying to take advantage of what appeared to be harmless victims is a good thing. It's time we had a little more blood letting. Give 'em something to think about before they pull their BS.
As a "numbers guy" your post got me to thinking. Of course these are all assumptions, with likely a big margin of error.
Odds of being near an active shooter = 10,000,000:1
Odds of having a concealed weapon in the crowd (assuming you are in a state that permits it) = 50:1
Odds of the concealed weapon doing any good = 2:1 (doing any good could be shooting/stopping the shooter, distracting him so you others can get away, or scaring him off, also this includes the chance of more than 1 concealed weapon is nearby)
Odds of benefit = 100,000,000:1
But I think a better way to look at it is, given you are near an active shooter, what are the odds that a concealed weapon in the crowd would benefit you? And that odds of benefit (under these assumptions) would be 100:1.
In contrast what is the harm? I guess you could get shot by friendly fire, but I have to think those are less than the above stated odds (I would estimate 1/2). I don't think you can say that more bad guys or crazy people will have guns, because those are people who don't obey laws anyway.
^rack all of it.
The other thing is that I'm way more likely to get a gun pulled on me when there isn't anybody else around anyways (mugging, etc)
I know a guy who carries to church on Sundays because he thinks muslims will attack during the service. I know another who carries at all times and often talks about race wars and the illuminati. Put me down as "even less safe".
As others stated, if the C&C people are anything like those that frequent this board then no, I don't feel safe.
Given the hypothetical odds up above, it's much more likely for something less than "anything good" to happen with a C&C in a crowd than being targeted by an "active shooter".
Given the hypothetical odds up above, it's much more likely for something less than "anything good" to happen with a C&C in a crowd than being targeted by an "active shooter".
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Most people that have a concealed carry permit don't actually carry a weapon on their body.
They may have one in the glove box of their car, because that requires a concealed carry as well. Without a concealed permit the weapon must be in view at all times.
They may have one in the glove box of their car, because that requires a concealed carry as well. Without a concealed permit the weapon must be in view at all times.
"The 31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rateand a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons."
I have my conceal carry but rarely carry mine..I would never pull mine unless it was apparent and obvious chaos like in an 80s action film. Otherwise it's staying concealed. If your being held up at gun point in an alley and I see it...sucks to be you because A. My luck the guy holding you up is actually an undercover cop arresting you and I def don't want to shoot a cop and B. if you needed help you should have gotten a conceal carry yourself..dumbass.
Even if it is accurate, the old saying "Correlation isn't causation" might apply. Maybe the states that allow C&C aren't the highest crime states in the first place.
Very true. To best assess you would need before and after rates in both types of states over the same time period.
But simple common sense seems to lead one to think that laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons couldn't hurt, and would probably help (at least a little), reduce crime rates.
Ky has always allowed you to have a gun in your glove compartment, without any ccw. And just in the past few years they extended that to consoles, map pockets or any other factory compartment.
The only thing ccw does is allow you to carry concealed on your person.
I have one because I have rental properties in the worst end of town, and collect 10-12k at a time. The only time I've had to use it was on a pit bull that was going to eat me. Hopefully that's the only time I will ever have to use it.
Like others, I don't feel any less safe because people carry, but I doubt anyone other than myself will ever help me in a precarious situation.
No, why in the hell would I, unless I'm the one carrying the gun? (I don't carry)
The chances of Billy Joe trying to get his gun unholstered and find the safety switch or Peggy Sue fumbling around in her purse without shooting herself in the foot in enough time to benefit me is right between slim and ain't gonna happen, provided Billy or Peggy is anywhere near me in the first place. (They probably won't be)
Honestly, in that situation I can only hope that a professional (law enforcement) is close enough to save my sorry *** (thank you sir or mam) or I can run to safety or bum rush psycho person without dying in the process. That's it. Those are my choices.
The chances of Billy Joe trying to get his gun unholstered and find the safety switch or Peggy Sue fumbling around in her purse without shooting herself in the foot in enough time to benefit me is right between slim and ain't gonna happen, provided Billy or Peggy is anywhere near me in the first place. (They probably won't be)
Honestly, in that situation I can only hope that a professional (law enforcement) is close enough to save my sorry *** (thank you sir or mam) or I can run to safety or bum rush psycho person without dying in the process. That's it. Those are my choices.
I wasn't aware of that, I was under the impression it was similar to the open carry law.
Thanks for clearing that up
I voted no. I don't feel safer unless I'm in a place that could get bad and I'm carrying, which is not often.
I went to the Peach drop in Atlanta about 15 yrs ago and I told my wife I would never do that again without have an AK47 in my hand. I had never seen so many thugs in one place in my life.
I went to the Peach drop in Atlanta about 15 yrs ago and I told my wife I would never do that again without have an AK47 in my hand. I had never seen so many thugs in one place in my life.
I can't wait for the mock thread that will be titled "Hard Pole" so we can all then make jokes about our pee pee's!!!!