I think surrender is probably the wrong word for it. The point is this wasn’t at face value a very costly turnover. If you want to say that korsak would’ve pinned them further in, fine, but starting them starting the drive at the 8 vs the 3 wasn’t really an issue. In the realm of the game, this pick was nothing at all like the one Vedral threw at the end of the Illinois game that literally cost us the game.
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I think surrender is probably the wrong word for it. The point is this wasn’t at face value a very costly turnover. If you want to say that korsak would’ve pinned them further in, fine, but starting them starting the drive at the 8 vs the 3 wasn’t really an issue. In the realm of the game, this pick was nothing at all like the one Vedral threw at the end of the Illinois game that literally cost us the game.
I'm not so sure about that. The offensive line was not creating much room to run and Vederal's lack of arm strength and confidence to get the ball down field probably would not have served us much better.
It's a turnover. Watch the play again. If he had the ability to the throw the ball better, it would have been a touchdown. Instead, the ball was given to them.
College football at the highest level is extremely competitive. Greg knows that we're not going to improve much further with the QBs we have and that there's no "easier" way to make huge strides next year than nabbing a talented QB from the portal ("hard" to get one of those, but if we do, then the improvements could be "easy" to realize).
That’s not fair. It wasn’t like that. He was totally beat on an intended run play that went south. He was forced to make a snap decision with two defenders heading right at him. The run play designed had no shot of working. He didn’t have time in this situation to scan the field for an open receiver regardless of his throwing ability. His options were throw it up for grabs, take the sack or throw the ball away. I don’t think throwing it up for grabs was that horrible a decision vs taking a sack or throwing it away. All 3 were disappointing as we failed to execute.
Like I said, he did not have a good game but there was enough blame to go around. He was not the only problem in this one. (A beat up team playing their 9th conference game with no bye week was the biggest). I will not stop posting my opinion because that is what a forum is for. If you disagree and it bothers you, stop visiting this site.
EDIT: You can also put me on ignore.
Plenty of blame to go around. However, what a poor game plan by the OC that totally misused our QB's strengths. Huskers passing defense was not simply not exploited with a over reliance on check passes.
At the end of the day, Artur had two wins in limited time and Vedral had one win. What would have helped both is a powerful running game, which was missing. Focus needs to be in improving the offensive line, because that’s our biggest weakness.
Greg said the other day that DL is second most important position behind QB . He f3els these are must haves to win. Having said that you know he is going all in on both positions @nd won sit idle with what we have.
Obviously the least tainted of a not too good batch of QB's.Can't play in this competition without a very good QB as the foundation.
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Art was off last night, you could tell early his passes seemed to lack zip. It was a tale of two qb's, one dynamic and making plays and mistakes and one plodding and missing some passes but not getting intercepted. Eventually plays need to be made to score and win, which Martinez did. With Art clearly off not sure why Snyder did not see time or at least the series when they went with Langan. He went 3/3 in his one showing last year, if he did that again this series maybe we score and tie it. Better runner than Art and better arm than Vedral, maybe a better decision maker than both but we don't know.
W/O putting labels on these guys. ,I think that we can all agree that we are in great need of a very good QB.
Art did improve.Just as a D student improves when he moves up to a C-. BTW, Gleeson has positively been a huge improvement over past OC's but there are times when I wonder about too many of his play calls.It is all in GREG'S hands to bring in better talent in positions of need and evaluate his staff's perfomance. I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN HIM DOING SO.
Art was "off"? Next time the temp drops below 20°F, take a fully inflated football outside. Take a walk for a half hour, throw the ball at a target a dozen times, take another walk, throw another dozen balls. Let us know how you did.
I'm not sure if you were referring to the Langan int here. If you were, Langan rolled out to the right and seemed to be throwing to a targeted area (with an RU receiver). Had he thrown the ball 5 yards deeper, he would have hit the receiver in stride for a td. Instead, the underthrown ball was picked off. And I agree, even if thrown up in the air, not a bad decision for trying. But a better pass, if possible, would have been a TD.
I didn’t realize the Nebraska QB wasn’t throwing in the same weather?
As many posters have said on this board, the coaches did not see this in practice. Otherwise, he would have been on the field.
Absolutely--the defense was on the field for over 70 plays . That's ridiculous . Also , combine that with the many injuries the defense has suffered and key personnel not playing at all or in limited spots and you have a defensive collapse. People forget that Rutgers had an enormous depth problem , especially on the DL and at safety. When this is your 9th straight Big Ten game it catches up with you. Nebraska exposed Rutgers .....
I don't know about that. Fogg shows-up all over the field, and often in places you don't expect him. Thompson had Meekins and Foster in front of him cleaning-up the trash. That's a huge advantage for a MLB where you can get punished without good DL up front. Remember that Thompson leap over the pile vs North Carolina? A thing that made that possible was Meekins crushing the OL and letting Thompson fly over the top unopposed. Fogg hasn't really be able to maximize career due to Ash mode for defense (schematics vs Schiano free ranging and swarming - a Fogg quote). Thompson (built like a safety) was a better runner since he was a RB in HS and was smaller than Fogg. Thompson's INT run vs L'ville showed how good a runner he was. Fogg on the other hand really blasts ball carriers and you want something like that from a LB (and RU has been short on punishing LBs for a long time, Even Greene wasn't like that). On the other hand Thompson was meaner and notably tenacious
Nice observation. Give it a try, sport.
Besides, where one QB may show competency under low temps, another under the exact same conditions, may slip. My point is throwing effectively in 18° temps is not easy. Again, try it.
I also saw more than a few dropped passes with RU receivers, at no fault of our QB. I also saw quite a few turnovers via Neb offense.
Art Sitkowski is a very fine kid , a very good spokesman and by all appearances a credit to his family. But he is not a starting Big Ten QB. His lack of mobility is a problem. But his biggest issue is his inability to read defenses , go through his progressions and pass to anyone other than his primary receiver. Teams knew this and overplayed his primary target. Combine all of that with his not handling pressure well and forcing the ball , and you have numerous interceptions.
What did Lucas say? because we did virtually nothing with the many turnovers caused.
The defense got no breaks and RU was never able to get up two scores. Instead of ramming it down our throats like Neb did with their run game they would have tried to pass the ball to come back and RU chances to pull out the victory would have gone way up.
Overall season was a success even though we let three more victories slip through our fingers.
Also from my vantage point RU will move on from Art. He was given a chance to prove he could lead an efficient offense last night and it didn’t happen.
Best for Art to move on and for another qb to come in and take Vedral’s spot as a starter and make him a back up.
GO RU
Bingo.
A low performing Offense comes into Rutgers Stadium and gains 600 yards ?
If not for all the gift turnovers by Nebraska this game is not even close.
Greg has bigger worries than his QB.
I thought Sit was fine last night. I think he was playing well and the huge drop by Pacheco zapped all our momentum. I think the Langan short yardage package killed us at least twice and probably more times than that. I think our inability (or unwillingness, we'll never really know for sure) to run the ball between the tackles hurt us all year. Art isn't great, but I think he was way better than 2018. Someone above said a D student improved to a C-. That's ridiculous. He was straight Fs in 2018 and was a solid C last night. As a teacher, I know any student that goes from Fs to Cs has made huge strides. Will he win us a Big 10 championship? Obviously not. But he can easily be a QB to lead us to 6 wins and a bowl game. For now, I'm ok with that.
The fact that we stayed in games with that stat is a very good sign. There is no question Schiano is going to tighten up the defense over the next couple of years. This turns the close games into wins