Was John Calipari not considered the slimiest coach in all of basketball when we hired him? Has he been this horrible person since he's been here? Do people not praise what a great guy he is now? I don't want a Dave Bliss or Jerry Sandusky but honestly, why do you give a flying hoot if we hired a coach who cheated on his wife or was an a-hole? Do you know the intimate workings of Petrino's marriage? Maybe stuff was going on and maybe it wasn't. Who cares. You think Barney would pass on Belicheck or Saban cause they are slimy? Belicheck is a known cheat. I mean, can we not just hire a winner. You can't send a minnow into a shark tank. You know why Tom Jurich has made great hires at almost every turn? He is a shark, sharks know other sharks. Stoops might be worse than Joker honestly. Stoops has all these "good players" but wins at the same kind of rate as Joker and hasn't even had a season as good as Joker's bowl season. Point being we need a new football coach and we need someone else besides Barnhart to hire them.
Slimiest Coach In The Game
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OK, ok,....I'll talk to Mitch in the morning and tell him to read this thread and see if I can talk him into luring Petrino over to UK to finish out our season.
If you looked at the facts then it was easy to see that Cal was not responsible for any of the stuff that he was misguidedly blamed for . Petrino was directly responsible for everything that happened to him , that difference is worlds apart and flat out makes this the worst comparison on the Internet .
He comparison is valid in my mind because of one angle, maybe not the whole pie, but one angle.
MOST UK fans thought cal was just as dirty as the next, they just won't admit it. Because they figured we would actually have a shot at landing him, and returning to a "top 5 team" (pun intended Hubert), it made them not care anymore.
If UK fans thought for a second Mitch would have gone after Petrino, they would have done the same. It's human nature.
Because so many UK fans had to deal with lousoville fans in life, and knew we weren't going after Petrino in the end, they went full Indiana basketball on the idea.
And we are suffering for it.
But it's over.
I'll keep my morals and lose.
Thank you.
MOST UK fans thought cal was just as dirty as the next, they just won't admit it. Because they figured we would actually have a shot at landing him, and returning to a "top 5 team" (pun intended Hubert), it made them not care anymore.
If UK fans thought for a second Mitch would have gone after Petrino, they would have done the same. It's human nature.
Because so many UK fans had to deal with lousoville fans in life, and knew we weren't going after Petrino in the end, they went full Indiana basketball on the idea.
And we are suffering for it.
But it's over.
I'll keep my morals and lose.
Thank you.
my original point was not to say Cal=Petrino. My point was perception is reality. When we hired Cal there were literally people on ESPN saying we would "hire Hitler if it meant winning" a lot of our own fans frowned at the idea of Cal as coach. Guess what, Cal isn't a terrible person. He definitely did shady stuff at Memphis though. All coaches do it, at that level on the come up, hell some guys still do it at big jobs. You want to say he didn't know about Derrick Rose, fine, what about Robert Dozier not being let in to Georgia because they invalidated his SAT score and then Memphis let him in? What about the shady school Dozier, Dorsey, Shawne Williams, Robert Sallie, and Antonio Anderson, all came from. Listen to Gary Parrish talk about it some time. Cal would always say I don't know about the kids from there or that school as ask Tony(Barbee). Cal isn't a saint but I always wanted him as our coach. I won't deny i wanted to hire Petrino, he is a great coach. My point now is not that i want to go back and hire and Petrino or try to get him or whatever just to say the next time we look for a coach we need to be open to everyone not just Mitch's squeaky clean choir boys. If we can get the ghost of Mother Theresa as our coach and she wins great but I'll take Martin Shkreli as our coach too. People say say stuff Petrino around here(Musburger did the other night as well apparently), but nationally the talk is wow UL could be playoff dark horse and win the ACC. I'd take that.
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Players being from questionable high schools is not even remotely similar to the unbelievable stuff Petrino has himself done . Petrino is a sorry *** person that only a sorry school would hire . We've witnessed that Louisville has run entirely amok with scandals and corruption , are they the guiding light we should strive to be ? If destroying everything UK is the type of AD we need to get a Petrino then I'll pass , it's just not worth it . Me getting pulled over by the cops for a speeding ticket is not the same as them following OJ down the freeway , similarly the comparisons between Cal and Petrino are nothing alike .
I guess you didn't read my second post in this thread that said I'm not comparing the 2 specifically, I'm saying that which ever way you slice it tarnish is tarnish. In fact if we were talking about any other profession that doesn't have publicity like college sports it would be totally flipped. If you're the president of a company you would not lose your job for having an affair, you could possibly lose it if you had an affair within the company(ala Arkansas) but that would be for the higher ups to decide. On the other hand if you were the president of a company and you got all company's earnings taken away for 2 years (UMass and Memphis) and were putting constant pressure on the business because people thought you were embezzling, or insider trading, or whatever you would lose your job 100%. So everyone views things differently. The Petrino train has come and gone, I just don't want to make the same mistake again. Cal was not squeaky clean and it worked out and people think Cal is a great guy now.(Newsflash he's always been a good guy but perception is different now) whoever we hire next needs to be the best candidate and not the best candidate who is also squeaky clean. hire the best guy period.
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I get exactly what you're saying and you're 100% correct. No one is comparing them by actions, we're talking about the optics involved. Unless you've been living with your head in the sand, Cals name was every bit as bad as petrino's when we hired him. Now we might not like it but it's a fact. It's worked out well and we could do the same in football. I'm not talking about Petrino, but this holier than thou Indiana basketball mentality will see us sit at the bottom of the gutter until we get over it. Much like we did in basketball.
What's this IU basketball mentality you keep bringing up? They worshipped Bobby Knight for 30 years so they're nothing but hypocrites if they claim any high morality.
Go read Peegs. There is almost no difference in this faux outrage toward morality that guys like you keep pumping.
IU fans chirped a lot of UK fans over last 6-7 years saying they would rather have choir boy Crean than slimy Cal because he does things the right way and they'd rather lose with a "good guy" than win with a "bad guy". Obviously gigantic hypocrites but they might also say that Bobby wasn't a bad guy and that mercilessly berating and torturing 18-22 year olds isn't as bad as a kid taking a gold chain from an agent or leaving after one year of college
You still want to use the comparison which is wrong , tarnish is not all the same . If it was then Joe Paternos situation would be the same as Mumme except that it's not . Dave Bliss would would the same as Pete Carroll but it's not . Cal having a bad rep is not equivalent to Petrino having a bad rep , there are degrees in severity that you are overlooking .
You don't hire a complete loser just because another coach in a different sport has been incorrectly labeled , that makes no sense . In fact you are ignoring the part where I mentioned that UL is a cesspool and the only school in all of America that would hire Petrino but you think that is a good idea .
Nothing UL is doing is good , they are in trouble from multiple angles . A school is not going to jeopardize their school for a coach like Petrino , no matter how much irrational fans want them to . You only care about one single aspect at any cost , the university can't take that approach . If a football coach that has been mislabeled such as Cal comes along then hire him but Bobby Petrino was not mislabeled , he is a detriment waiting to happen .
We need Louisville to get hit. They are gaining popularity and now have a P5 conference to recruit to. If nothing comes of it, they're going to win, and all we're gonna have is "well you're dirty but got away with it". It will only matter to UK fans.
UL has advantages that UK will never have , namely in schedule . Proximity is the only reason fans keep comparing the two programs , it's apples and oranges . They also have a better recruiting base in Louisville , which produces more talent most years than the rest of the state combined . The have zero morals and operate as a rogue institution , UK has adults in place that won't allow the school to become corrupted . I wouldn't take UL's success to be in their position right now , what they've done in football is not enough to take on that .
if you read my first post where i literally said obviously you can't hire a Dave Bliss or Jerry Sandusky then i don't know why you'd be saying this. Petrino is a scum bag, I fully get this and agree with you. But we think about his actions differently. I think a guy freaking off on his wife is a bad thing but I don't care about it to the degree you do. I think there are things much much worse, and that I absolutely wouldn't hire someone whose morals I thought were questionable to a degree that you seem to think Petrino's are and I respect your right to view him as such. You are saying "don't hire a complete loser" I assume you mean this in the since that you think Petrino is a bad guy and not that he is a "loser" of a football coach. I guarantee you if UL didn't hire him he would of gotten another good job after beating the doors off everyone at Western for a few more years.
We made the right move by passing on him , I don't care if he can win some games if he is a loser of a person that would leave as soon as he could get a better job . Western was the only school that took a chance , that's bad when a supposed winner had to beg for a job . I'm not sure but didn't the sec blackball Petrino from being hired . Its irrelevant now , he will leave UL again when he repairs his reputation .
yea sure would hate a freaking Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl trophy in the case. multiple 10+ win seasons, wins over good SEC teams, undefeated vs my rival. the argument of UL in the SEC and they wouldn't be this good are futile. they would 100% be better than us. If you can't see that you are blind. We are far behind them and have zero players on the roster the quality of Lamar Jackson or Jawon Pass that can be that important for a program going forward. I hate getting on here and having some of our own fans be so blinded by whats going on that I have to take stances where i openly praise UL and a scum bag like Petrino. Honestly, a big part of my opening post was more to say that Barnhart can't be trusted to swim with the big boys in terms of hiring because he himself is not a big boy. Tommy Turtleneck for all anyone wants to say about him is probably the best football AD in the country. He made 1 mistake with Kragthrope other than that 5 star home run hires. 15 years running. Hopefully hiring a Petrino isn't what it takes. However if a guy like Art Briles would consider UK(doubtful,don't see him leaving the state of Texas) we need to hire someone like that because clearly Mitch can't find the Petrino's(when he was a OC) John L's, the Charlie Strong's of the world.
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I don't fully disagree with some of this, but f*** what the SEC blackballs. They play in the mud, recruit thugs yearly, and don't give damn about Uk's doormat status. They could afford to blackball a guy like that, or any guy like that for the matter. Uk doesn't have that luxury.
When UL pulls all of that off in the sec let me know because UK does not play in an average at best conference that UL was in when they got that done . That awesome AD has his basketball program on probation for hookers , if you praise him for hires then ding him for troubles of which they have a lot . His coaches display terrible behavior off the court but that doesn't matter to cutthroat Tommy , you can't have sex in restraunts at UK .
I'm not in awe of UL or anything they have , I don't want all the scandals here . You pay too much attention to what UL does , you may be more concerned about a rivalry that your own program . I don't deal with many UL fans on a regular basis and therefor they or their program don't matter much to me . But I am admittedly a basketball first fan and we beat their *** like a drum so that could be at play as well .
True but I don't know how going against the grain would impact UK , it probably didn't matter as I don't think uk wanted to hire Petrino sec or not .
you're right living in Louisville is big part of it. You're also right that he let Pitino get away with stuff you can't. Although Pitino was doing stuff like he does at UL at UK he was just wasn't as sloppy here. If he just took care of Sypher that never exists. I'll leave it where it lies, but suffice to say that we're both cat fans we just disagree about some morality of coaches. Go big blue.
He's got a point. Nobody's advocating that we hire Petrino at this point in time, but we need to learn the lesson that very few coaches are lily white in perception or reality. If we hired Cal, why would we not hire Tressel or Briles?
I guess in my mind it comes down to do you want a really good man leading up your program, but not winning many games, or do you want a maybe not so good man who wins a lot of games? Ideally I'd like someone who's a really good man who wins games, but right now I think I and a lot of UK football fans just want someone who wins games. Saturday's collapse has me thinking we're not going to win many games under Stoops. Might I feel different if we beat Florida? Sure, but that is not going to happen this year. I wonder sometimes if it will ever happen again.
I'm not advocating Petrino....
However, it is quite obvious that some UK fans hold UK coaches to a higher moral standard than that to which they hold their own President, or even themselves. And that's pretty effed up. It's flipping football. Get over yourselves.
However, it is quite obvious that some UK fans hold UK coaches to a higher moral standard than that to which they hold their own President, or even themselves. And that's pretty effed up. It's flipping football. Get over yourselves.
LET'S BE REAL AND HONEST HERE?...At KENTUCKY the "basketball only" crowd will tolerate a hire like Cal because it's "KENTUCKY BASKETBALL" and we MUST win vs it is only "kentucky football" and we must stay the high ground and it dosen't really matter anyway because not enough people really care anyway...just listen to certain people on morning radio and you will be enlightened!!
Bottom line is if a coach here did what Pitino or Petrino did, they would be fired, caught with other women in public while married, the state university can't condone activities like that and carry on with like it didn't happen, Louisville is and has been desperate to win in football and basketball since Jurich has been there. Pitino and Petrino are still there, in the ACC they are in a basketball conference so being in the upper echelon in football isn't that hard to do when you take problem players on their former teams because they couldn't follow the rules there. They are the new Miami, no discipline, few rules, just win baby, based on what's happened in the recent past, I would say the slimiest are the two ul coaches mentioned above.
Our AD was told Richt was out and who the next head coach was after our UF game last year. He was also told if he screwed things up he was gone too. Our AD wanted Mullens from MS ST. because our AD was the ticket counter at UF when Mullen was the OC/QB coach at UF. At least that is the word we got, 4 very large booster met at the airport in Jax after the game and things were set before they left. All that was left was to finish out the season and for Kirby to sign. We will know in a couple years if it was a good move or not.
"UKFB" would have to hire a cheater to win in short order. The alternative is the Brooks route of under-hiring and allowing him to develop a program, which isn't proving very successful for coaches, admin or fan base.
We have nothing to offer a morally-righteous man, worth his salt, whom possesses the necessary coaching skills to be immediately effective at UK that any other school doesn't have to offer besides some money, a new facility and the proven outcome of eventually devaluing that coach's career.
EDIT: Maybe cheater is a bad word here. The term "coach with some baggage" provides a nicer umbrella.
Ahh, just like the good ole days. :smiley:
I'm not sure UK has FB boosters with those kinds of handles. Or cojones. I mean, I'm sure we have some that think they do, but not like that. Not for lowly FB.
Stoops is great man and mentor to these kids. I had the pleasure of meeting him personally a couple years back and believe me when I say you will not find a football coach with better morals. He'll get this ship turned around the only variable is time.
Actually Petrino hasn't been in any kind of trouble at Louisville during his first 4 years here nor in this 2.5 year run so far.
Louisville hired a "choir boy" head coach before. His name was Kragthorpe. He was a great character, moral guy right up til his firing.