Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory

freewillie07

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I still like this team, but man was that hard to watch.

Just in the OT:

- Beran gets his arm caught needlessly in the arm of a WF player. And-1.
- Roper misses a second-chance layup at the rim (one of several we missed point-blank tonight)
- Greer misses a wide open 3 to extend the lead
- Boo mishandles the inbounds

Ugh. When we get Audige back and hopefully play ourselves into the middle of the Big Ten pack, this will be one we wish we had.
 

cat inkansas

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I still like this team, but man was that hard to watch.

Just in the OT:

- Beran gets his arm caught needlessly in the arm of a WF player. And-1.
- Roper misses a second-chance layup at the rim (one of several we missed point-blank tonight)
- Greer misses a wide open 3 to extend the lead
- Boo mishandles the inbounds

Ugh. When we get Audige back and hopefully play ourselves into the middle of the Big Ten pack, this will be one we wish we had.
Yep. Have to make baskets.
 
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Feels like every single NU team ever, minus the miracle year. These losses are all different yet feel strangely the same. Part of me wants to applaud the guys for a gutty road effort, and that perhaps they can learn from the loss…but I’ve been telling myself that story a lot.
 

rwhitney014

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I'm coming onto the side of we're greatly improved. But we've been so downtrodden that even greatly improved may not be enough. Audige can hopefully raise us to the next level. I'm cautiously optimistic but this is a tough one from what was a good opportunity, there for the taking.
 

benoitdenizetl

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Greer tensed up so much on that 3, wasn’t his normal release at all. The Beran foul was silly and costly. Surprised we played Roper as much as we did down the stretch; I know he was in for defense but I like Simmons more in that situation, if we’re going to play a freshman. Surprised Berry wasn’t in more, too. And, yeah, having Williams on bench during most of overtime was weird since he had one of our better games.

All that said, the ridiculous no-call on the great Williams pump-fake cost us the game in regulation.
 

freewillie07

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Feels like every single NU team ever, minus the miracle year. These losses are all different yet feel strangely the same. Part of me wants to applaud the guys for a gutty road effort, and that perhaps they can learn from the loss…but I’ve been telling myself that story a lot.
This team is legitimately deep -- probably more than any that CCC has ever had outside the tourney squad.

The simple fact is that we did not shoot well enough to win tonight (37.7% to WF's 45.8%). Boo and Nance were combined 10 for 30. Several of those misses were from within 5 feet.
 

cats_man_too

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Greer tensed up so much on that 3, wasn’t his normal release at all. The Beran foul was silly and costly. Surprised we played Roper as much as we did down the stretch; I know he was in for defense but I like Simmons more in that situation, if we’re going to play a freshman. Surprised Berry wasn’t in more, too. And, yeah, having Williams on bench during most of overtime was weird since he had one of our better games.

All that said, the ridiculous no-call on the great Williams pump-fake cost us the game in regulation.
I thought the kid pinned Beran's arm to draw the foul. The kind of play that the NBA is trying to get rid of. Totally agree on the Williams no call and confused why Berry and Williams or Young didn't hardly play late when we couldn't score. Thought Berry played great D on their Williams in the 1st half, then was pulled off that assignment and nobody else slowed him down.
 
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I'm coming onto the side of we're greatly improved. But we've been so downtrodden that even greatly improved may not be enough. Audige can hopefully raise us to the next level. I'm cautiously optimistic but this is a tough one from what was a good opportunity, there for the taking.
Maybe, but for now, we are 5-2 and will have zero quality OOC wins. WF isn’t good and that venue wasn’t intimidating. Decent team wins that game IMO. Maybe they put it together in conference play but I am absolutely not getting my hopes up.
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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I thought the kid pinned Beran's arm to draw the foul. The kind of play that the NBA is trying to get rid of. Totally agree on the Williams no call and confused why Berry and Williams or Young didn't hardly play late when we couldn't score. Thought Berry played great D on their Williams in the 1st half, then was pulled off that assignment and nobody else slowed him down.
The short answer as to why Williams and Young and Berry sat and watched 3 inferior players play is that Collins is really bad at this.

Collins, without a doubt, cost us that game. Shouldnt have been close.
 
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I still like this team, but man was that hard to watch.

Just in the OT:

- Beran gets his arm caught needlessly in the arm of a WF player. And-1.
- Roper misses a second-chance layup at the rim (one of several we missed point-blank tonight)
- Greer misses a wide open 3 to extend the lead
- Boo mishandles the inbounds

Ugh. When we get Audige back and hopefully play ourselves into the middle of the Big Ten pack, this will be one we wish we had.
For sure this season we’ll win some we “shouldn’t” and lose some we shouldn’t. Job now is take this game and Providence and close out the latter category.
 

clarificationcat

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I still like this team, but man was that hard to watch.

Just in the OT:

- Beran gets his arm caught needlessly in the arm of a WF player. And-1.
- Roper misses a second-chance layup at the rim (one of several we missed point-blank tonight)
- Greer misses a wide open 3 to extend the lead
- Boo mishandles the inbounds

Ugh. When we get Audige back and hopefully play ourselves into the middle of the Big Ten pack, this will be one we wish we had.
We missed at least 5 uncontested layups not counting Roper’s. And our bigs, including Nance, struggled to finish at the basket. We should have won that game. It should not have gone to overtime. We kept coming back but were never able to extend any lead. Roper’s miss and foul was the back breaker. A 4 point turnaround. How they respond against Maryland will define the season, I think.
 

Styre

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This team is legitimately deep -- probably more than any that CCC has ever had outside the tourney squad.

The simple fact is that we did not shoot well enough to win tonight (37.7% to WF's 45.8%). Boo and Nance were combined 10 for 30. Several of those misses were from within 5 feet.

They're deep, yes, but the talent at the top end isn't going to blow anyone away. Nance, Buie, and Young are Big Ten-caliber starters, but Nance and Buie can disappear for long stretches of any game, and Collins doesn't like to play Young for whatever reason (defense, I assume). Everyone else is a role player. They didn't shoot well enough, no - but that's been a problem for years with this group so I'm not surprised by that.

Wake also blew a bunch of easy shots, and you can't give us our easy shots back without giving Wake theirs. Ultimately, we played a close, even game against a mediocre ACC team. Our performances thus far suggest we're somewhere in the 90-100 range nationally, even if the computer rankings currently suggest otherwise.
 

MCC_Cat

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Too many misses at the rim, every time we had a chance to put some space on the lead it seemed we just couldn't get the layups and put backs to fall. Really felt like this was our game to win or lose. The pluses were that we responded to all their runs and hit almost all our FT's down the stretch. That's a good sign, on the road. We need our watershed moment and I agree we need that to be Sunday.
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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We missed at least 5 uncontested layups not counting Roper’s. And our bigs, including Nance, struggled to finish at the basket. We should have won that game. It should not have gone to overtime. We kept coming back but were never able to extend any lead. Roper’s miss and foul was the back breaker. A 4 point turnaround. How they respond against Maryland will define the season, I think.
We were the better team (talent-wise). We lost because the coach benched Young, Berry and Simmons (who should be starters) for the last 10 minutes of the game.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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You don't have to be a genius to know who to put on the floor.
This is why we have lost at least TEN straight for 3 consecutive years.
Do you even watch games or just pull you pull out your beloved minutes argument after every game? If you was so easy we would just have a Poindexter on the end of the bench in every coaches ear telling him who to play. Stats in a vacuum 101.

We make even a few of those easy bunnies we win. Nance and Boo shoot even average we win. It was obvious why the lineup was what it was at the end. Defense! Don’t act like you don’t know. If I was CCC I would have had a few offense for defense switches on the last possession’s.

as I have said, the depth is better than ever, but we still don’t have that guy that can be counted on to get, take, and make a shot at a critical time.
 

SDakaGordie

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I think the biggest issue with the game was our “help” defense. Not sure why we do it the way we do, but it left open way too many uncontested 3s, and shooting %s show it. I think Buie is the biggest culprit on this, but others do as well. To PWB’s stats - look at how many points Buie gave up when he was in the lineup. IMO, the points for/against stats have too many variables to draw simple conclusions. What was obvious to me was our help defense lost the game.
 

JournCat

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Do you even watch games or just pull you pull out your beloved minutes argument after every game? If you was so easy we would just have a Poindexter on the end of the bench in every coaches ear telling him who to play. Stats in a vacuum 101.

We make even a few of those easy bunnies we win. Nance and Boo shoot even average we win. It was obvious why the lineup was what it was at the end. Defense! Don’t act like you don’t know. If I was CCC I would have had a few offense for defense switches on the last possession’s.

as I have said, the depth is better than ever, but we still don’t have that guy that can be counted on to get, take, and make a shot at a critical time.

If he chose Beran for defense, he chose poorly. Beran lost Laravia early in the game on wide-open threes and couldn't bother him with his length at the end. Wasn't Williams playing his second most minutes this season implicit proof of that?
 

GatoLouco

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Do you even watch games or just pull you pull out your beloved minutes argument after every game? If you was so easy we would just have a Poindexter on the end of the bench in every coaches ear telling him who to play. Stats in a vacuum 101.

We make even a few of those easy bunnies we win. Nance and Boo shoot even average we win. It was obvious why the lineup was what it was at the end. Defense! Don’t act like you don’t know. If I was CCC I would have had a few offense for defense switches on the last possession’s.

as I have said, the depth is better than ever, but we still don’t have that guy that can be counted on to get, take, and make a shot at a critical time.
So you’re suggesting Roper was there for defense? Explain how he is so much better on defense compared to Berry, who should have been there, or even Simmons, who, like Roper, and unless being hot on offense, should have not been there?

Are you suggesting Beran was there for defense? Is Williams a liability with 2 less inches on defense when he had a great game and is bound to not be shaking his knees at the end? Or, god forbid, Nance was on Laravia while Young was on, they would never go to him, mediocre, Walton?

I am not pointing this out after that fact. When in hindsight it’s easier to see mistakes. I pointed it out during the game. Williams was there at the end of regulation for example.

You keep downplaying the +/-. And I do agree there are limitations to that stat. Especially the fact they can’t capture who on the other team is on the floor. But it’s game after game, after game. At some point you need to just admit Young is a heck of of a ball player.

Finally, stop the non sense of missed bunnies, or that this or that player shot poorly. The suggestion that it was just a game, a fluke, we are fine, and it does not normally happen, so we will win games. For every stupid miss we have, or cold player, the other team has the same happening. Maybe High Point is still wondering if they’d have beaten a P6 school on the road if their stud did not go cold in the 2nd half. We are not the unluckiest team out there who just misses bunnies while others don’t. We just don’t pay that close attention to other’s misses or cold/poor shooting performances.

The conclusion is that CC makes baffling decisions. I am not one to say he cost us the game. Not one game, as we can never know what would have happened. But it’s game after game after game. And that I can say he ends up costing us games over a stretch.
 

NUCat320

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There are definitely more players who belong in the Big Ten than at any time in program history.

All those young wings look like they’ve got a chance to be pretty good players (Simmons, Berry, Roper), Greer belongs, etc., etc., but even when they’re clutch (that inbounds give and go was beautiful) , they can’t *remain* clutch.

Everyone except the only one whose opinion matters can see that #31 is pretty low on the spectrum of guys who belong. But he was a great recruit.
 

PurpleWhiteBoy

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Do you even watch games or just pull you pull out your beloved minutes argument after every game? If you was so easy we would just have a Poindexter on the end of the bench in every coaches ear telling him who to play. Stats in a vacuum 101.

We make even a few of those easy bunnies we win. Nance and Boo shoot even average we win. It was obvious why the lineup was what it was at the end. Defense! Don’t act like you don’t know. If I was CCC I would have had a few offense for defense switches on the last possession’s.

as I have said, the depth is better than ever, but we still don’t have that guy that can be counted on to get, take, and make a shot at a critical time.
Your apologist schtick is so tiresome.
You win games by putting your best players on the floor.
Collins refuses to do that.
He cost us the game last night, as sure as you are breathing.

The arguments you try to make (with zero evidence) about defense are simply preposterous.
Berry and Young are probably our best defenders.
The one guy who got praise repeatedly from the broadcast team was Ryan Young - on BOTH ends of the floor. Ryan Young is the clutch player you claim we don't have.

And Robbie Beran is a poor defender. You truly have no idea what you are blabbering about.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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So you’re suggesting Roper was there for defense? Explain how he is so much better on defense compared to Berry, who should have been there, or even Simmons, who, like Roper, and unless being hot on offense, should have not been there?

Are you suggesting Beran was there for defense? Is Williams a liability with 2 less inches on defense when he had a great game and is bound to not be shaking his knees at the end? Or, god forbid, Nance was on Laravia while Young was on, they would never go to him, mediocre, Walton?

I am not pointing this out after that fact. When in hindsight it’s easier to see mistakes. I pointed it out during the game. Williams was there at the end of regulation for example.

You keep downplaying the +/-. And I do agree there are limitations to that stat. Especially the fact they can’t capture who on the other team is on the floor. But it’s game after game, after game. At some point you need to just admit Young is a heck of of a ball player.

Finally, stop the non sense of missed bunnies, or that this or that player shot poorly. The suggestion that it was just a game, a fluke, we are fine, and it does not normally happen, so we will win games. For every stupid miss we have, or cold player, the other team has the same happening. Maybe High Point is still wondering if they’d have beaten a P6 school on the road if their stud did not go cold in the 2nd half. We are not the unluckiest team out there who just misses bunnies while others don’t. We just don’t pay that close attention to other’s misses or cold/poor shooting performances.

The conclusion is that CC makes baffling decisions. I am not one to say he cost us the game. Not one game, as we can never know what would have happened. But it’s game after game after game. And that I can say he ends up costing us games over a stretch.
Why do you insist on turning this around like I have something against Young? I think he is a fine player and would certainly have had him in more at the end for his offensive game. However, this is an average to below average defensive team. Young fits that description on defense and anyone with a modicum of basketball knowledge can see that. He is not alone in that island. I have said I would have done some offensive/defensive substitutions down the stretch with Young and Berry coming in. I could have lived with defensive game as well if CCC chosen to do so. I just don’t think it is as clear cut decision as you and PWB tout every single post. Can the decision’s be questioned? Of course, but to say they are baffling is ridiculous.

Yes, I think Roper was in there for defense. Greer too. They aren’t great offensive threats, so why do you think CCC has them out because he thinks they are worse defensive players than Berry? Maybe he wants to lose? Maybe he should hire those two savants of basketball wisdom from Wildcat report to straighten him while he snoozes in practice. It doesn’t matter what you think or I think, but it matters what CCC thinks. I know your answer is CCC doesn’t play the correct lineup because you say or imply it 95% of your posts.
 

usopen30

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I still like this team, but man was that hard to watch.

Just in the OT:

- Beran gets his arm caught needlessly in the arm of a WF player. And-1.
- Roper misses a second-chance layup at the rim (one of several we missed point-blank tonight)
- Greer misses a wide open 3 to extend the lead
- Boo mishandles the inbounds

Ugh. When we get Audige back and hopefully play ourselves into the middle of the Big Ten pack, this will be one we wish we had.
They left it all on the court, the above comments notwithstanding. That has not been the case for the past couple of years and they seem way more cohesive as a team minus Kopp. Also like what we are seeing so far from the first-year guys and Williams.
 

Purple Pile Driver

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Your apologist schtick is so tiresome.
You win games by putting your best players on the floor.
Collins refuses to do that.
He cost us the game last night, as sure as you are breathing.

The arguments you try to make (with zero evidence) about defense are simply preposterous.
Berry and Young are probably our best defenders.
The one guy who got praise repeatedly from the broadcast team was Ryan Young - on BOTH ends of the floor. Ryan Young is the clutch player you claim we don't have.

And Robbie Beran is a poor defender. You truly have no idea what you are blabbering about.
Defending CCC can be tiresome. I don’t think he is perfect by any means. If you think I am an apologist for NU, go read the football board. You clearly have an agenda


what I am done with your playing time in a vacuum 101 speech tgat you trout out here every post . Dude, you are not John Wooden. Put your calculator down.

Now your source to support your Young argument Are the announcers. Comical. You want me to play back announcer praise for your whipping boys Beran and Boo? Means and proves nothing.

There used to be good dialogue on the BB board. You have almost single handedly crushed that with your hyper posting of the same thing over and over and over and over. Do you happen to notice that the people that used to regularly have something to say rarely contribute? Yes, people that are WAY closer to the inside that you and your circle jerk of 4-5 others that bully the board by condescension. Of course, you wouldn’t notice because you you landed here a year ago to spout off on Matt Nicholson’s playing time which might have been the worse supported case in history of bad takes.

Its damn near impossible to any decent give and take on this board. The posters that were doing have just said it isn’t worth their time. Yes, I can give you a dozen names if I wanted too. I can’t even comment to your post without your bodyguard Gato jumping in to defend you. All you need is Turk and his imaginary friend Ned to have the holy Trinity.

So, all of you can sharpen your knives and come at me. It is way more amusing that listening to your constant bitching about everything!
 

willycat

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This team is legitimately deep -- probably more than any that CCC has ever had outside the tourney squad.

The simple fact is that we did not shoot well enough to win tonight (37.7% to WF's 45.8%). Boo and Nance were combined 10 for 30. Several of those misses were from within 5 feet.
Also can someone let us know how many turnovers Boo committed.
 

willycat

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So you’re suggesting Roper was there for defense? Explain how he is so much better on defense compared to Berry, who should have been there, or even Simmons, who, like Roper, and unless being hot on offense, should have not been there?

Are you suggesting Beran was there for defense? Is Williams a liability with 2 less inches on defense when he had a great game and is bound to not be shaking his knees at the end? Or, god forbid, Nance was on Laravia while Young was on, they would never go to him, mediocre, Walton?

I am not pointing this out after that fact. When in hindsight it’s easier to see mistakes. I pointed it out during the game. Williams was there at the end of regulation for example.

You keep downplaying the +/-. And I do agree there are limitations to that stat. Especially the fact they can’t capture who on the other team is on the floor. But it’s game after game, after game. At some point you need to just admit Young is a heck of of a ball player.

Finally, stop the non sense of missed bunnies, or that this or that player shot poorly. The suggestion that it was just a game, a fluke, we are fine, and it does not normally happen, so we will win games. For every stupid miss we have, or cold player, the other team has the same happening. Maybe High Point is still wondering if they’d have beaten a P6 school on the road if their stud did not go cold in the 2nd half. We are not the unluckiest team out there who just misses bunnies while others don’t. We just don’t pay that close attention to other’s misses or cold/poor shooting performances.

The conclusion is that CC makes baffling decisions. I am not one to say he cost us the game. Not one game, as we can never know what would have happened. But it’s game after game after game. And that I can say he ends up costing us games over a stretch.
How many loses did B.C. lose with his indecisions cost us?
 

GatoLouco

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Why do you insist on turning this around like I have something against Young? I think he is a fine player and would certainly have had him in more at the end for his offensive game. However, this is an average to below average defensive team. Young fits that description on defense and anyone with a modicum of basketball knowledge can see that. He is not alone in that island. I have said I would have done some offensive/defensive substitutions down the stretch with Young and Berry coming in. I could have lived with defensive game as well if CCC chosen to do so. I just don’t think it is as clear cut decision as you and PWB tout every single post. Can the decision’s be questioned? Of course, but to say they are baffling is ridiculous.

Yes, I think Roper was in there for defense. Greer too. They aren’t great offensive threats, so why do you think CCC has them out because he thinks they are worse defensive players than Berry? Maybe he wants to lose? Maybe he should hire those two savants of basketball wisdom from Wildcat report to straighten him while he snoozes in practice. It doesn’t matter what you think or I think, but it matters what CCC thinks. I know your answer is CCC doesn’t play the correct lineup because you say or imply it 95% of your posts.

You implicitly have something against Young. Or you would not be so opposed to the +/-. Because those numbers point to Young needing to play more. A lot more. Furthermore, you have nothing against Young but try to sell him as a (huge) liability on defense? Oh, how hyperbolic we are "modicum basketball knowledge", the type of argument no one can go against, so powerful that one would not dare challenge it. I don't know if I am worthy of such praise as to beat a modicum knowledge level. I played organized basketball for 15 years. I was not great, but I was good enough to make it to a youth national team. Played semi professionally 2 years. And I can flat out tell you you are wrong about Young's defense. 100% wrong. Can he guard a player with penetration ability? No. Can he guard Walton from Wake Forrest? Yes, and better than Nance. Everyone will modicum basketball knowledge can see it. I feel so eloquent now.

What kind of argument is it that CC does not want to lose? Is there any coach who wants to lose? Does that imply they make good decisions? I have no doubt CC, or any coach, makes the decisions he thinks are best for the team. But what a stretch to try to tie that to actually having made the right choices.

You are getting desperate with your arguments by suggesting hiring savants from message boards. Is that the alternative? Anyone with a modicum knowledge of just about anything can tell you it's not. And it's not just the lineups, far from it. Last night's game makes apparent something I have argued for a long time. Our style of play is not the best for the type of players we have.

Funny thing is I often wonder if you truly think CC is that competent. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. What I have known for a long time is that you get triggered by my opinions. And now there's a second guy with some of the same views. And he triggers you too. That's obvious. So who knows, maybe this is about CC, maybe it's not. I surely will continue to voice my opinions without being triggered by anyone. If I bother you that much I suggest, as I have done in the past, that you just ignore me.
 

JournCat

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Defending CCC can be tiresome. I don’t think he is perfect by any means. If you think I am an apologist for NU, go read the football board. You clearly have an agenda


what I am done with your playing time in a vacuum 101 speech tgat you trout out here every post . Dude, you are not John Wooden. Put your calculator down.

Now your source to support your Young argument Are the announcers. Comical. You want me to play back announcer praise for your whipping boys Beran and Boo? Means and proves nothing.

There used to be good dialogue on the BB board. You have almost single handedly crushed that with your hyper posting of the same thing over and over and over and over. Do you happen to notice that the people that used to regularly have something to say rarely contribute? Yes, people that are WAY closer to the inside that you and your circle jerk of 4-5 others that bully the board by condescension. Of course, you wouldn’t notice because you you landed here a year ago to spout off on Matt Nicholson’s playing time which might have been the worse supported case in history of bad takes.

Its damn near impossible to any decent give and take on this board. The posters that were doing have just said it isn’t worth their time. Yes, I can give you a dozen names if I wanted too. I can’t even comment to your post without your bodyguard Gato jumping in to defend you. All you need is Turk and his imaginary friend Ned to have the holy Trinity.

So, all of you can sharpen your knives and come at me. It is way more amusing that listening to your constant bitching about everything!

The mute button is every Rivals poster's best friend ...
 

Purple Pile Driver

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You implicitly have something against Young. Or you would not be so opposed to the +/-. Because those numbers point to Young needing to play more. A lot more. Furthermore, you have nothing against Young but try to sell him as a (huge) liability on defense? Oh, how hyperbolic we are "modicum basketball knowledge", the type of argument no one can go against, so powerful that one would not dare challenge it. I don't know if I am worthy of such praise as to beat a modicum knowledge level. I played organized basketball for 15 years. I was not great, but I was good enough to make it to a youth national team. Played semi professionally 2 years. And I can flat out tell you you are wrong about Young's defense. 100% wrong. Can he guard a player with penetration ability? No. Can he guard Walton from Wake Forrest? Yes, and better than Nance. Everyone will modicum basketball knowledge can see it. I feel so eloquent now.

What kind of argument is it that CC does not want to lose? Is there any coach who wants to lose? Does that imply they make good decisions? I have no doubt CC, or any coach, makes the decisions he thinks are best for the team. But what a stretch to try to tie that to actually having made the right choices.

You are getting desperate with your arguments by suggesting hiring savants from message boards. Is that the alternative? Anyone with a modicum knowledge of just about anything can tell you it's not. And it's not just the lineups, far from it. Last night's game makes apparent something I have argued for a long time. Our style of play is not the best for the type of players we have.

Funny thing is I often wonder if you truly think CC is that competent. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. What I have known for a long time is that you get triggered by my opinions. And now there's a second guy with some of the same views. And he triggers you too. That's obvious. So who knows, maybe this is about CC, maybe it's not. I surely will continue to voice my opinions without being triggered by anyone. If I bother you that much I suggest, as I have done in the past, that you just ignore me.
You liked my use of the word modicum I see.

I actually have never been all the triggered by you. White Boy, I admit to getting triggered by because he is a one trick pony. You ***** about CCC all the time, but at least you rotate your complaints. You “trigger” me when you come in on your white steed to answer questions directed at him. If you can’t tell, he isn’t bashful about telling us what CCC is doing wrong and proclaiming every Pearl of wisdom as fact.
 

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For the record, I don't know GatoLuoco, nor do I know any of the players.

I post factual information and then voice my opinions.

Sometimes the data refutes my own impressions. Then I revise my opinions.

I suggest to many on here that this approach is the proper one.

Or you could just wing it and assume things like "coaches never make mistakes," then use that patently bogus assumption to reach other conclusions like "if Beran is starting, then he deserves to start."

It is a classic human weakness to hold an opinion, then when confronted with contrary evidence, to dispute or ignore the evidence itself.
 
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This was my first look at this year’s squad and came away impressed with their scrappy play. They were down by double digits early and came back to close the gap in the first half. Too bad they gave up that late basket to close the half. I’ve been more of a San Diego State basketball fan- the program now has a national
prominence. Our mens and womens basketball programs at UC San Diego were successful at DivII, now transitioning to D1 now that we have 40,000+ undergrads. Our UCSD mens basketball team beat Cal at Berkeley a few weeks ago which was very satisfying. Remember that Cal fan “droski” who posted crap on the football board about Cal’s superiority in athletics and academics?
 

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Not sure but he had 7 dimes
5 turnovers, 7 assists. 4 of 11 from the floor, 0 of 3 from 3pt, Not his best game
He was a net negative 9, most importantly.
On the bright side, his bad play was all with Beran and Nance (-14) so without that albatross around his neck, he played a winning game.
 

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They're deep, yes, but the talent at the top end isn't going to blow anyone away. Nance, Buie, and Young are Big Ten-caliber starters, but Nance and Buie can disappear for long stretches of any game, and Collins doesn't like to play Young for whatever reason (defense, I assume). Everyone else is a role player. They didn't shoot well enough, no - but that's been a problem for years with this group so I'm not surprised by that.

Wake also blew a bunch of easy shots, and you can't give us our easy shots back without giving Wake theirs. Ultimately, we played a close, even game against a mediocre ACC team. Our performances thus far suggest we're somewhere in the 90-100 range nationally, even if the computer rankings currently suggest otherwise.
Deep enough that someone gets hot. Beran and Berry both seemed dialed in during the first half. Boo seemed like he was taking lots of terrible shots and missing. I remember one three from NY early in the clock - drove my nuts!!! So play Greer, or Boo, or Roper - but not all three - none of them were on fire.

And the WF big men screamed beef up our lineup. Nance at the five got pushed around under the basket at both ends. I don't care if they play Williams at the five - he looks beefier and stronger than Nance - but bring in the beefcakes.

This one is on CCC.
 

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Do you even watch games or just pull you pull out your beloved minutes argument after every game? If you was so easy we would just have a Poindexter on the end of the bench in every coaches ear telling him who to play. Stats in a vacuum 101.

We make even a few of those easy bunnies we win. Nance and Boo shoot even average we win. It was obvious why the lineup was what it was at the end. Defense! Don’t act like you don’t know. If I was CCC I would have had a few offense for defense switches on the last possession’s.

as I have said, the depth is better than ever, but we still don’t have that guy that can be counted on to get, take, and make a shot at a critical time.
Stats are for losers. Well except one. We really embraced the suck in the only important stat - the L. The other stats probably explain why we lost - but who cares, right PPD? Simple enough, CCC hired to run a winning program - he is not. Why or how is not important to you. Fine. Program is a loser. Doesn't have to be. Some folks could explain where they believe the problem lies but...let's just leave it to loser program.

Now you start with admissions, history, blah blah blah and I reply that we spend too much on a program destined to lose. Pick a lane. High budget program - then figure it out. Other high brow institutions have. Too hard, then stop spending, heck, go Ivy. Now you explain it will never happen (which I know but do not have to quietly accept) because of the benjamins. And my recent new argument - great NU, the house of paupers dependent on the B1G revenue - nice model of success... and then we go quiet...

Hope I saved us some time. Let me know if some to argument adds to the rotation. Cuz these discussions are as boring and predictable as PF's offense.
 

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If he chose Beran for defense, he chose poorly. Beran lost Laravia early in the game on wide-open threes and couldn't bother him with his length at the end. Wasn't Williams playing his second most minutes this season implicit proof of that?
If only we had a tall stretch four a little more athletic than Beran to cover that guy...
 

xxxbobxxx

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You implicitly have something against Young. Or you would not be so opposed to the +/-. Because those numbers point to Young needing to play more. A lot more. Furthermore, you have nothing against Young but try to sell him as a (huge) liability on defense? Oh, how hyperbolic we are "modicum basketball knowledge", the type of argument no one can go against, so powerful that one would not dare challenge it. I don't know if I am worthy of such praise as to beat a modicum knowledge level. I played organized basketball for 15 years. I was not great, but I was good enough to make it to a youth national team. Played semi professionally 2 years. And I can flat out tell you you are wrong about Young's defense. 100% wrong. Can he guard a player with penetration ability? No. Can he guard Walton from Wake Forrest? Yes, and better than Nance. Everyone will modicum basketball knowledge can see it. I feel so eloquent now.

What kind of argument is it that CC does not want to lose? Is there any coach who wants to lose? Does that imply they make good decisions? I have no doubt CC, or any coach, makes the decisions he thinks are best for the team. But what a stretch to try to tie that to actually having made the right choices.

You are getting desperate with your arguments by suggesting hiring savants from message boards. Is that the alternative? Anyone with a modicum knowledge of just about anything can tell you it's not. And it's not just the lineups, far from it. Last night's game makes apparent something I have argued for a long time. Our style of play is not the best for the type of players we have.

Funny thing is I often wonder if you truly think CC is that competent. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. What I have known for a long time is that you get triggered by my opinions. And now there's a second guy with some of the same views. And he triggers you too. That's obvious. So who knows, maybe this is about CC, maybe it's not. I surely will continue to voice my opinions without being triggered by anyone. If I bother you that much I suggest, as I have done in the past, that you just ignore me.
I trigger him too. 🤷‍♂️