Snodgrass

Beatle Bum

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Twitter suggests he is still on campus. Why come back for the spring semester if you plan to transfer? Practically, you would want to get into your new school and get two springs of practice while you RS. Now that Dawson is gone and there are all new coaches that impact the WR position, except Stoops, is there a chance he stays?
 

Panther09!

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Hmm that is interesting. It's weird because I was thinking about him earlier and wondered if he just had some conflict with the coaches who are no longer on the staff.
 

WildCard

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Twitter suggests he is still on campus. Why come back for the spring semester if you plan to transfer? Practically, you would want to get into your new school and get two springs of practice while you RS. Now that Dawson is gone and there are all new coaches that impact the WR position, except Stoops, is there a chance he stays?
That is true only if you know where you are going. I suspect he does not. The worst thing you can do is sit out the spring.

While you do get the benefit of an extra spring practice leaving for your new school mid year does not accelerate your eligibility. You must spend 2 main semesters (i,e, spring and fall) at your new school to meet the residency requirement. So even if you transfer in the spring you must still sit out the fall.

And yes, I suppose there is a chance he rethinks his transfer decision.

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As a UK student, I see him walking around campus almost every day. I thought it was very odd for him to still be here, but thought maybe it had to do with some rules and regulations of a transfer. Now that he's here for the spring semester, it does make me think there's a chance he stays. Like you posted, why wouldn't he want to get a head start on practices/weight room while he redshirts? With Mainord and Dawson gone, who knows? Maybe he's coming back to the team?

He was a 4 star WR coming out of high school with a ton of upside. I talked to Mike Edwards about 2 years ago or so when they were playing in their senior seasons, and their teams scrimmaged one day. He said Thad was the only guy that could make a play on him on the field. Beat him for 2 TDs that scrimmage, and it got me pretty excited for Thad to be here. Maybe he just didn't develop at all when he got here and didn't take the strength and conditioning program seriously. He's still way too skinny, but he could be a great player in 2 years.
 

3kidsandme

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Could explain why the staff didn't push for that 3rd wr. There for a while it looked like a 3rd wr would be signed.
 

Beatle Bum

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That is true only if you know where you are going. I suspect he does not. The worst thing you can do is sit out the spring.

While you do get the benefit of an extra spring practice leaving for your new school mid year does not accelerate your eligibility. You must spend 2 main semesters (i,e, spring and fall) at your new school to meet the residency requirement. So even if you transfer in the spring you must still sit out the fall.

And yes, I suppose there is a chance he rethinks his transfer decision.

Peace

No doubt, but two springs in an offense are better than one.
 

WildcatofNati

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Would love it if he decided to stay. For one thing, he would be our only senior receiver in his class, at least as far as scholly receivers go. We lose a LOT of guys after '17.
 

Mr Schwump

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Even if he did come back and is still in school I seriously doubt he's on scholarship.
 
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If he returns, that will illustrate serious weakness in Dawson

Because this behavior should have otherwise been totally unacceptable with the way he quit in his team. If they say "I get it. Welcome back" then that says a TON about Dawson
 

Comebakatz3

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That is true only if you know where you are going. I suspect he does not. The worst thing you can do is sit out the spring.

While you do get the benefit of an extra spring practice leaving for your new school mid year does not accelerate your eligibility. You must spend 2 main semesters (i,e, spring and fall) at your new school to meet the residency requirement. So even if you transfer in the spring you must still sit out the fall.

And yes, I suppose there is a chance he rethinks his transfer decision.

Peace

Those are some solid points. However, Snodgrass quit the team and announced that he was going to transfer on or around October 22nd of last year. That means that he had almost 2 months to decide where he was going to transfer to. Also, many coaches will help a player find a new school if they need one. So, he could have quite easily found his way to another school. It was not as though he was on a very short time frame and just couldn't make up his mind. He could be just waiting to make sure of where he wants to go, but I think he had a good amount of time to decide, and if I decide to transfer I might be looking at options before I even call it quits at the current school. If I quit a job it is usually because I have another job lined up and not because I am just tired of this one.

You mention that the worst thing that he can do is sit out the spring. If he stays here then he will be sitting out the spring. If he is not going to be at Kentucky next year then I highly doubt that the coaches would allow him to practice with them. So, he will just be going to school.

Right now there could be any number of logical explanations. Could be that he is not going to leave or that he is just sticking around to continue his education or that he hasn't found the right school. Just too many possibilities to really speculate, but I do like the fact that he is still here and the current players could possibly talk him to coming back to the team.
 

screwduke

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I have him on twitter and he still posts pro UK things time to time. He does post quite a bit about OSU though too, but maybe he wanted to transfer to OSU but Urban didn't want him? I don't know, just guessing.
 

Rhavic

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Dec 15, 2014
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If he returns, that will illustrate serious weakness in Dawson

Because this behavior should have otherwise been totally unacceptable with the way he quit in his team. If they say "I get it. Welcome back" then that says a TON about Dawson

Dawson isn't even at Kentucky anymore.......

Ultimately, it'll be up to Stoops and Gran. Gran has said several times he believes in giving people chances if they're deserved. I'm not going to say whether or not Snodgrass deserves a chance or not, it's not my place, nor is it yours, or anybody else on this board. If his teammates like him, if the staff likes him, and the feeling is mutual and he really wants to be at UK, then he should be on the team. It's no mystery that very, very few wide receivers liked Shannon Dawson, but that problem was extinguished.
 
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UKSanders_rivals37733

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Dawson isn't even at Kentucky anymore.......

Ultimately, it'll be up to Stoops and Gran. Gran has said several times he believes in giving people chances if they're deserved. I'm not going to say whether or not Snodgrass deserves a chance or not, it's not my place, nor is it yours, or anybody else on this board. If his teammates like him, if the staff likes him, and the feeling is mutual and he really wants to be at UK, then he should be on the team. It's no mystery that very, very few wide receivers liked Shannon Dawson, but that problem was extinguished.

I haven't heard this? What were the rumored reasons for this?
 

CatDaddy4daWin

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That'd be a nice little surprise if we got Snodgrass back. Really thought he had some great potential. Getting a 4 star WR back is never a bad thing :)
 

jgraf1

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I haven't heard this? What were the rumored reasons for this?

baker, bone, and many others pretty much celebrated the firing on twitter, it has been hinted many times he always blamed them for everything and no part of the offensive struggles were because of QB play.
 

bigbluejon

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Would be awesome to keep a wide out of his caliber around. Been waiting to hear that name come across the P.A.
 

Mr Schwump

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Snodgrass came in early then RSed then missed last year so he hasn't played in 2+ years. After seeing the struggles of last year's WRs if he couldn't move ahead of those guys it's doubtful as to how much he could help this team. If he wishes to play I hope he can find somewhere but I don't think UK is it.
 

Blue Decade

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Snodgrass came in early then RSed then missed last year so he hasn't played in 2+ years. After seeing the struggles of last year's WRs if he couldn't move ahead of those guys it's doubtful as to how much he could help this team. If he wishes to play I hope he can find somewhere but I don't think UK is it.

You are missing the picture. It isn't a question of whether Snodgrass could earn a playing role. He is a big time talent. He was good enough to make the depth chart last August ahead of some other receivers who ended up playing a lot in the fall. If he hadn't gotten hurt in preseason camp in 2014, he might not even have been redshirted. When the 2015 season began, the coaches were planning to use Snodgrass in our passing attack. But something happened in September that caused the coaches to lose confidence in him, and it wasn't about his talent or ability. Stoops talks all the time about the team as a family, and about the type of people he wants in the program. If Stoops wanted Snodgrass to continue in the program, then Snodgrass would have been on the field playing a role for our team. It's possible that Dawson had something to do with this. But Snodgrass isn't gone because of lack of ability, and I don't think he will be back.
 

Beatle Bum

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I think Stoops would have helped him transfer. I think there is more to this story. Gonna wait and see how it plays.
 
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Mr Schwump

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You are missing the picture. It isn't a question of whether Snodgrass could earn a playing role. He is a big time talent. He was good enough to make the depth chart last August ahead of some other receivers who ended up playing a lot in the fall. If he hadn't gotten hurt in preseason camp in 2014, he might not even have been redshirted. When the 2015 season began, the coaches were planning to use Snodgrass in our passing attack. But something happened in September that caused the coaches to lose confidence in him, and it wasn't about his talent or ability. Stoops talks all the time about the team as a family, and about the type of people he wants in the program. If Stoops wanted Snodgrass to continue in the program, then Snodgrass would have been on the field playing a role for our team. It's possible that Dawson had something to do with this. But Snodgrass isn't gone because of lack of ability, and I don't think he will be back.

Not missing the picture at all....UK needs football players who make football plays. Can Snodgrass? Lots of time has passed since he played last, don't think that question will be answered at UK.
 

Blue Decade

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Not missing the picture at all....UK needs football players who make football plays. Can Snodgrass? Lots of time has passed since he played last, don't think that question will be answered at UK.
Yes you are. Snodgrass is a talent. He can make plays at this level. That's why he finished 2015 preseason camp on the 2nd string, pushing our starters. Something happened off the field in September.
 

Mr Schwump

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Yes you are. Snodgrass is a talent. He can make plays at this level. That's why he finished 2015 preseason camp on the 2nd string, pushing our starters. Something happened off the field in September.

OK he's a talent, a talent that's been idle for 2+ years. If he's not on the field his talent is irrelevant. UK needs playmakers and it's unlikely he's the answer.
 

Blue Decade

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OK he's a talent, a talent that's been idle for 2+ years. If he's not on the field his talent is irrelevant. UK needs playmakers and it's unlikely he's the answer.
He isn't the answer, because Stoops got rid of him. LOL! That's why he won't be on the field. And Snodgrass isn't the only SEC level athletic talent who didn't make it. This isn't the 1st time it has happened.
 

Mr Schwump

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He isn't the answer, because Stoops got rid of him. LOL! That's why he won't be on the field. And Snodgrass isn't the only SEC level athletic talent who didn't make it. This isn't the 1st time it has happened.

And you know this how? Do tell.
 

Mr Schwump

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What is to with you? You have over 10,000 posts. So have you figured out yet how a college football team works?

Look, the guy was a 4* but didn't pan out for whatever reason. Maybe it's on Stoops, maybe assts, maybe himself or a combination or some other factor. Bottom line is he's no longer on the team. Maybe he'll stay at UK as a student, maybe he'll move on to play elsewhere. I want guys at UK who can help win games and right now that doesn't include him.
 

Blue Decade

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Look, the guy was a 4* but didn't pan out for whatever reason. Maybe it's on Stoops, maybe assts, maybe himself or a combination or some other factor. Bottom line is he's no longer on the team. Maybe he'll stay at UK as a student, maybe he'll move on to play elsewhere. I want guys at UK who can help win games and right now that doesn't include him.
I never suggested it was Stoops' fault. I only said Snodgrass had talent but lost the confidence of the coaches. Any reasonable person can see that when a redshirt freshman is pushing the starters hard at the end of April and August, then freefalls off the depth chart during the 2 opening out of conference games, it's an injury or an off-field problem. Snodgrass was injured in 2014, but he was healthy in 2015. I can't explain it any clearer.
 

WildcatofNati

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I never suggested it was Stoops' fault. I only said Snodgrass had talent but lost the confidence of the coaches. Any reasonable person can see that when a redshirt freshman is pushing the starters hard at the end of April and August, then freefalls off the depth chart during the 2 opening out of conference games, it's an injury or an off-field problem. Snodgrass was injured in 2014, but he was healthy in 2015. I can't explain it any clearer.
By process of elimination, then, he had an off-field problem. That's a fairly harsh conclusion unless you have actual information supporting that theory. Sometimes even talented players just fall behind. Sometimes receivers, even talented receivers, just start dropping passes in practice. Sometime guys just get behind in terms of learning the playbook. Sometimes talented players (example, M. Newton) just regress. There are plenty of reasons as to why he may have been passed up other than having off-field issues.
 

Mr Schwump

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I never suggested it was Stoops' fault. I only said Snodgrass had talent but lost the confidence of the coaches. Any reasonable person can see that when a redshirt freshman is pushing the starters hard at the end of April and August, then freefalls off the depth chart during the 2 opening out of conference games, it's an injury or an off-field problem. Snodgrass was injured in 2014, but he was healthy in 2015. I can't explain it any clearer.

I never it said it was Stoops' fault either. I have no earthly idea why he's off the team and really don't care. One thing for sure...a guy who can't help UK win has received far too many comments on NSD.
 

Blue Decade

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By process of elimination, then, he had an off-field problem. That's a fairly harsh conclusion unless you have actual information supporting that theory. Sometimes even talented players just fall behind. Sometimes receivers, even talented receivers, just start dropping passes in practice. Sometime guys just get behind in terms of learning the playbook. Sometimes talented players (example, M. Newton) just regress. There are plenty of reasons as to why he may have been passed up other than having off-field issues.
That's goofy. Please don't turn around what I said. I did not criticize Snodgrass. I defended Snodgrass against the other guy who was criticizing his talent level. But there is speculation in the thread that Snodgrass might be back. And that just ain't in the cards. So just to goofy proof this, when a redshirt freshman is pushing the starters for their starting jobs at the end of April and September, then suddenly drops like a piece of granite off the depth chart in the middle of September, what is your logical conclusion? He didn't lose all his talent in 2 weeks. He was healthy in 2015. And he didn't " fall behind". "Fall behind" is what happened to Timmons. Snodgrass was shown the exit chute. See what I mean?
 

CATFANFOLIFE87

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Dawson, Mainord, and Towles were largely the problem with the discontent amongst the receivers and the QBs. Mainord lost the respect of the receivers and was no longer able to effectively coach them. Dawson refused to use more than three receivers despite their struggles catching the ball. Dawson also became very buddy buddy with Towles and his QBs. Many of the receivers thought Barker deserved a shot because Towles had played long enough without being effective. Towles blamed the receivers and the receivers blamed Towles and instead of taking control of the situation Dawson took sides. Stoops did the right thing cleaning house. It's hard to blame a guy like Snodgrass for wanting to transfer if the guys ahead of you are dropping balls and you aren't getting a shot. Bone is a very talented guy that nearly transferred because of the situation as well. Eddie Gran and Lamar Thomas will be a breath of fresh air for these receivers. After the secondary it's our deepest most talented position group so I expect a big spike in production this year out of that group
 

loose rhythm

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I heard early on, even back in Neal Brown days, that the coaches were wanting to convert him into a DB... That alone speaks volumes. I dont recall him pushing anyone for PT, and was behind several walk-ones on the depth chart. Maybe this one was just a big swing and a miss !