So a fellow NATO member country just shot down a Russian jet

[JHB4UK]

Turkey engaged & shot down a Russian Sukhoi-24 either over or near is border with Syria. This is kind of a big deal, what with us being in NATO with the Turks, and all kinds of entangling defense and support agreements that entails. Syria & everything/everyone involved there is going to get a whole lot messier before it ever even gets close to some kind of resolution.

From a cold examination of the event though, it is interesting that the Turks flying one of our old obsolete F-16's had no trouble shooting down one of the Russkies top of the line fighters. Putin ought to be pretty alarmed at that, knowing the kind of scarily advanced aircraft the US Air Force hauls around in these days.

 

[80 Proof]

WWIII

When does it become official? Do we have to wait for an Asian nation to jump in too?

 

[JHB4UK]

the idea that Armageddon will happen at Megiddo ain't looking like such a crazy biblical prophesy these days

 

[Pope John Wall II]

I for one will welcome our new Russian overlords and the founding of the next great world empire behind the recently resurrected Caesar.

 

[Mattox]

I'm sure we'll issue a formal apology to Russia and a stern public lecture to Turkey.

 

[TortElvisII]

Turkey is not exactly a great ally. A few F22's would splash most of the Ruskie AF.

 

[goose41]

It was certainly not a top of the line Russian fighter. Su-24's have been around since the late 70's. Its a serviceable old bomb truck, akin to an F-111 or Tornado. Also the "obscelete F-16" that shot it down is currently the most common fighter type of the USAF. We've even sold them some of the most advanced air to air missiles in the world. We have only 1 better type of fighter that's operational, the F-22, and in very limited numbers.

This will be interesting to see how this pans out. Even the Turkish radar track only shows that the fighter was in Turkish airspace for maybe 30 seconds. I'm sure the Russian radar track will show something different. So it will fall down to he said vs she said. The Turk sponsored rebels that killed the downed airmen also did Turkey no favors.

 

[JHB4UK]

welp I'm sure if Vlad was unhappy at his plane being shot down, the reports that the pilot/nav parachuted safely only to be executed will not help his mood or decisions

 

[GrandePdre]

 

[thecatsareback#8]

Putin is about to cook the biggest Thanksgiving Turkey ever.

Ill see myself out

 

[wkycatfan_rivals376690]

I keep waiting for Israel to bomb Iran's nuke sites.

 

[qwesley]

Reports of Syrian rebels shooting down Russian rescue copters as well.

 

[UKserialkiller]

[laughing] and some think Turkey is "moderately muslim"

 

[kyhusker2]

There is video of Syrian rebels shooting at one of the pilots as he's parachuting down. And another video of them standing around his dead body.

 

[KentuckyStout]

The idiots that killed the airmen are the reason this will escalate beyond sabre rattling between Turkey and Russia.

Return the airmen safe and this issue fades away as Russia is not going to war over a '70s era bomb truck getting shot down.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

[laughing] and some think Turkey is "moderately muslim"

There's literally no such thing.

 

[starchief]

[laughing] and some think Turkey is "moderately muslim"

The only difference between a moderately Muslim country and all the rest is that their women are not required to wear a burka.

 

[funKYcat75]

So, Turkish jets (rightfully) engage and shoot down a Russian jet. Then Syrians shoot at the pilots and rescue helicopters. Who does Russia go after? Just all of the places with sand?

 

[KentuckyStout]

So, Turkish jets (rightfully) engage and shoot down a Russian jet. Then Syrians shoot at the pilots and rescue helicopters. Who does Russia go after? Just all of the places with sand?

My understanding is that it was a Syrian rebel group the Russians were already fighting that murdered the pilots.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Eff. This is going to have big consequences.

It's like those stereotypical action movies where someone kills the brother of the baddest mother toucher out there. Wrath will be handed out.

 

[TransyCat09]

Russia is playing a dangerous game. They are militarily pretty weak, but seem to be hell bent on going full crazy. Putin is a lunatic. A lunatic with a plan, but a lunatic nonetheless

 

[kyhusker2]

My understanding is that it was a Syrian rebel group the Russians were already fighting that murdered the pilots.

My understanding as well. So there really can't be any kind of escalation there. It's Turkey shooting down the plane that is going to cause some issues.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

so basically it's gonna be the entire world against ISIS? I feel pretty good about that.

The native European populace and Assad are the two groups most suffering from all of this; Hopefully all this **** restore some semblance of European nationalism and Assad's sovereignty in Syria.

 

[CatsBy90_rivals30112]

Obama urges no escalation on the part of the Russians in response to this incident. I cannot wait for this POS to be out of office.

 

[kyhusker2]

Now Turkey is saying the pilots are alive and in a secure location. Apparently the video of people shooting at one of the pilots is from last April.

 

[Pope John Wall II]

Obama urges no escalation on the part of the Russians in response to this incident. I cannot wait for this POS to be out of office.

Seriously. God forbid there be any repercussions for any military actions taken over the last 8 years.

 

[ShoesSwayedBlue]

The whole Putin/Russia love fad is sickening. The Russians aren't even going to think about doing **** to Turkey. The USAF has a base there with about a hundred nukes, and even if they might not be used, they certainly won't be endangered by the GD Russians getting frisky anywhere near them.

That would be seen as an act of war, even by Obama, and would be dealt with accordingly. Putin can bluster all he likes but that's much too big a bite for Russia to chew on and he knows it.

 

[80 Proof]

Putin has slapped Obama around on the international diplomacy stage, he's obviously overly proud and cocky. I would not be surprised at all to see him react strongly to this.

Meanwhile, France is pressuring us to step up and be more involved with them and Russia, now we are in a tough spot because our other allies in the region will be pulling in the other direction. I do not envy the position Obama is in, but unfortunately it affects us all.

Sort of ironic that Russian rebels shot down a civilian plane only a little over a year ago.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Now Turkey is saying the pilots are alive and in a secure location. Apparently the video of people shooting at one of the pilots is from last April.

Turkey is stalling and scrambling right now trying to find two look-a-likes. "I swear dis is dem."

 

[JHB4UK]

so basically it's gonna be the entire world against ISIS? I feel pretty good about that.

Would that it were so simple, but it isnt.

Russia is there to prop up the dictator Assad. Same for Iran, via their proxies Hezbollah terrorists out of Lebanon. We want to defeat both ISIS and Assad, then have some moderate happy government emerge. Since that Clinton/Obama plan worked so brilliantly for Libya. Meanwhile Israel is right there, mightiest military force in the region but happy to watch ISIS and Assad use shock troops to kill each other - unless anyone get to close to their turf, in which case they liquidate them as they have done some Iranians. Turks are playing their own game, more concerned with attacking Kurds, who are fighting ISIS in northern Syria & Iraq.

What is our countries goal? Defeat of Assad & ISIS? What are we doing to cause that to occur? Dropping bombs on safe locations where noone dies?

No end is in sight for this freaking mess, more powers sticking their fingers in are only going to make it last longer and get messier and expand beyond Syria.

 

[starchief]

The whole Putin/Russia love fad is sickening. The Russians aren't even going to think about doing **** to Turkey. The USAF has a base there with about a hundred nukes, and even if they might not be used, they certainly won't be endangered by the GD Russians getting frisky anywhere near them.

That would be seen as an act of war, even by Obama, and would be dealt with accordingly. Putin can bluster all he likes but that's much too big a bite for Russia to chew on and he knows it.

Naah.

 

[UKserialkiller]

The only difference between a moderately Muslim country and all the rest is that their women are not required to wear a burka.

Yeah, those are the muslims that will tell you what you want to hear.

 

[DSmith21]

There was talk last week that France would drag NATO ground troops into the Isis fight by declaring that it had been attacked. The Bamster quickly sent word to France that we wouldn't honor such an action. If it comes down to it, Turkey is on her own. Barry doesn't want to be treated like one of Charlie Sheen's trannys again by Putin.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Yeah, those are the muslims that will tell you what you want to hear.

Willy, you're well educated. Explain to me why liberals are so apologetic for Islam and constantly make excuses? I don't recall them doing that for Christians at all.

How can one be for LGBT, feminism, freedom to do whatever you want and then support Islam? Totally conflicting ideologies that they never seem to acknowledge at all.

 

[DSmith21]

It was certainly not a top of the line Russian fighter. Su-24's have been around since the late 70's. Its a serviceable old bomb truck, akin to an F-111 or Tornado. Also the "obscelete F-16" that shot it down is currently the most common fighter type of the USAF. We've even sold them some of the most advanced air to air missiles in the world. We have only 1 better type of fighter that's operational, the F-22, and in very limited numbers.

195 F-22s have been built and are operational. 165 F-35 have been built but most of these are undergoing a training. The Marines do have one combat operational squadron of F-35s.

The F-16 isn't quite obsolete. A new F-16V (viper) variant has just been introduced which incorporates many of the F-22's advanced (radar/targeting/cockpit) features into it. The Air Force is considering buying additional F-16s and F-15s rather than some of the planned F-35s due to cost and slow fielding rate of the F-35.

http://www.asdnews.com/mobile/news-...com&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[thecatsareback#8]

Willy, you're well educated. Explain to me why liberals are so apologetic for Islam and constantly make excuses? I don't recall them doing that for Christians at all.

How can one be for LGBT, feminism, freedom to do whatever you want and then support Islam? Totally conflicting ideologies that they never seem to acknowledge at all.

They are for whatever gets the votes, not a stance.

 

[UKserialkiller]

They are for whatever gets the votes, not a stance.

This is the correct answer Heisman. Votes keep power. Right now, Hill dawg is using the social justice warrior movement to establish a base. She'll use these Millennials to spearhead the approach because they are the loudest and most vocal, yet have enough innocence and inexperience from the mean cruel world to actually believe her.

She could pick up right where Tipper Gore left off. If freedom of speech wasn't endanger then, it will be now.

 

[Chuckinden]

195 F-22s have been built and are operational. 165 F-35 have been built but most of these are undergoing a training. The Marines do have one combat operational squadron of F-35s.

The F-16 isn't quite obsolete. A new F-16V (viper) variant has just been introduced which incorporates many of the F-22's advanced (radar/targeting/cockpit) features into it. The Air Force is considering buying additional F-16s and F-15s rather than some of the planned F-35s due to cost and slow fielding rate of the F-35.

http://www.asdnews.com/mobile/news-...com&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

You guys are forgetting that the F-18 Super Hornet is a very formidable fighter ranked by many as the 2nd best fighter in the world behind the F-22 Raptor.

 

[TortElvisII]

Russia is playing a dangerous game. They are militarily pretty weak, but seem to be hell bent on going full crazy. Putin is a lunatic. A lunatic with a plan, but a lunatic nonetheless

Your average Ruskie don't take a dump without a plan son.

 

[GhostVol]

Big picture, guys. Putin doesn't want to take on Turkey (NATO) directly. He wants the price of oil to go up. That's why that sacrificial lamb Su-24 was sent in to get shot down/test Turkey's resolve. Unlike Obama, they take their borders seriously. France just got pimpslapped by ISIS and the French took their wakeup call seriously.