Unfortunate for him that we just completed what is arguably the most difficult 4 game stretch in school history. Welcome to the Big 12. Boykin reminded me of Pat White last night. A testament to the impact a single player can have on a team. Pat White made RichRod. Some are pining for RR to return. And who knows, it is possible now that the AD has changed (although it would piss off a lot of donors....probably make some happy too). But he wasn't all that until he found the diamond in the rough that was Pat White. Personally, I don't want him back but I'm sure I warm to him again if he brought us back to where we were before (tall order... the Big 12 ain't the BE). Anyway, I think we'll have a new coach next year. How about you jackasses?
So....does Dana need to win out to keep his job?
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This team would lose to uConn, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville of old. But RedBull sure can recruit the *'s.
I think it still depends on how we finish. We win out, he stays for sure. We struggle to win 1 or 2 more and don't get to .500, then he could very well be gone.
It's the lack of development at QB that really has me dissapoitned in Dana. This far into it and we don't have a QB to show for it.
It hasn't helped this year we've been hit hard with injuries, but our offense is just awful.
It's the lack of development at QB that really has me dissapoitned in Dana. This far into it and we don't have a QB to show for it.
It hasn't helped this year we've been hit hard with injuries, but our offense is just awful.
Usually, if you're for it, I'm against it. But not this time.
I've had enough. Time for someone who knows what the hell he's doing.I believe I made posts on here a few weeks ago but it might have been somewhere else. I expect Dana to "voluntarily" leave after this season. I fully expect WVU going through a coach search this offseason. And no, it won't be RR.
Dana is not Shane Lyons hire and if he was winning or other intangibles with the program being better, Lyons would keep him. But as it is, there is too much pressure and I expect a change. Of course, I've been wrong many times before and I will be again but this is how I see it at the moment.
Dana is not Shane Lyons hire and if he was winning or other intangibles with the program being better, Lyons would keep him. But as it is, there is too much pressure and I expect a change. Of course, I've been wrong many times before and I will be again but this is how I see it at the moment.
Lyons knew Dana before coming to WVU, and I don't think he felt Ollie made the right hire. But with Dana not being his hire he won't have issues letting him go I think.
I do think he has to win out to keep his job, and I don't think he'll do it at this point. We can't score with these Big XII teams this year and TTU scores in bunches.
Some things I blame on him, some I don't. He didn't coach the WRs to drop TD passes for instance. Early on we were in position for a couple of interceptions that we didn't pull in, and we also gave them too many penalties on 3rd downs.
However, there are other things that drive me nuts. 5 minutes to go in the 1st quarter is too early to go for it on 4th down near mid-field. QB play. Why in the world have we not really had a game changing QB since Geno left? Did we miss so badly on WRs that we have to burn the redshirt on a QB recruit to play WR?
TCU made the same kind of move we did ... look where they are and look where we are.
Some things I blame on him, some I don't. He didn't coach the WRs to drop TD passes for instance. Early on we were in position for a couple of interceptions that we didn't pull in, and we also gave them too many penalties on 3rd downs.
However, there are other things that drive me nuts. 5 minutes to go in the 1st quarter is too early to go for it on 4th down near mid-field. QB play. Why in the world have we not really had a game changing QB since Geno left? Did we miss so badly on WRs that we have to burn the redshirt on a QB recruit to play WR?
TCU made the same kind of move we did ... look where they are and look where we are.
Good points. Dana will be back next year unless he decides to leave, and I don't see anyone who would want him. My problem with this team is not that we lost the last 4 games, but the way we played. Except for the OSU game, we were piss poor in all areas. With that being said,I believe we can win all the remaining games. Hopefully Dane will not lose the team. These next 5 games will tell us a lot about Dana and this coaching staff.
We were piss poor in the first half of the OSU game. Probably the worst half of fb I've ever seen us play. We weren't ready to play. And that seems to be a constant over the last couple years.
Gary Patterson won championships and coach of the year honors in every conference he was in before the Big XII. Also remember 2012? Geno was all- world the first five games but fell apart the rest of the season. I'm still wondering what the hell happened to change that team so dramatically.
Yes I agree and I should have mentioned that point as well as the overtime collapse. But we did at least show some fight to get to overtime.
I would love to see us win out, but I can't see it happening. That would give us something to build upon and look forward to, next season. I don't see them getting rid of him, unless he fails to make a bowl game, though. I will never cheer for us to lose a game, but going 6-6, keeping this coaching staff, and having another season of Holgorsen and Howard to look forward to sounds about as appetizing as a poop sandwich...
In 2012, we had a 5 game losing streak (with geno). 2013 we had two 3-game losing streaks. In 2014 we had a 3 game losing streak. And this year we are now at 4 games and counting. I've had enough.
My one concern is the available coaching talent and the competition in programs we will be facing for a very shallow pool. There really are only 2-3 guys available.
Firing this staff would cost a lot of money this year. I've heard around $10. Not sure we have that kind of jingle just yet.
I'm certainly not happy with his performance though this is about what I expected thus far coming into the season. People who thought we were going to go into Baylor, TCU, and OU and win were deluding themselves into our team's talent and ability. The OSU game was hard to swallow. With that said, 2 interceptions dropped, 3 sure TDs dropped, and the 3rd down drive extending penalties were insane. We aren't the kind of team to leave those opportunities on the table and be able to win.
TTU is going to be a challenge though we have them at home. I feel better about it but it will still be a challenge.
RRod? I certainly hope not. I think his return would be Johnny Majorsesque. He might be the only coach of quality that's available should we make a change this year.
Also, this isn't an excuse by any means. Our WRs are pretty young and very talented. By all accounts the Chugs kid is really talented. Not sure what we would gain by burning a shirt on him right now. Outside of Skyler's performance on Norman and the 1st half of OSU, he's played well enough. His height is an issue for sure.
Summation: barring a 4-8 or 5-7 season, I think Holgs is safe this year and unless we come out hot as **** next year, I think it will be his last.
I don't think he needs to win out, he just needs to get us to a bowl game and win it. But neither of those things is going to happen anyway -- this team has had it. They might ... might ... beat Kansas, but just because everybody else can doesn't mean we can at this point. It isn't just lack of talent and depth on the field, although last night exposed those once again -- TCU missing 7 starters on defense and we could still only manage 10 points while we were missing 3 and their receivers plus Boykin could do anything they wanted -- it's lack of smarts on the sidelines. It doesn't take a football expert to predict what Dana is going to call on 3rd down and 5 or less, and maybe one time out of 12 Howard will complete that 30-plus yard bomb.
The 3 and short decision making on Howard's part is maddening. It's low percentage at best.
You mean his decision to try to run what his coach tells him to run? Do you suppose Dana has ever told him to check out of those long routes? His forte is supposedly as a quarterback coach but I wonder how much teaching is going on -- I suspect not much, or Howard wouldn't be doing the same things over and over.
Apparently, if this article in the Charleston Gazette is to be believed, nobody is burning up either Lyons' or Gee's mailboxes so far ... only two people have sent anything -- one pro Dana, the other anti. Of course that doesn't mean they aren't getting an earful in person or by telephone.
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/article/20151029/GZ02/151029393/1419
I myself am nowhere near as sour on Holgs as most, and am honestly not even all that upset at the last two losses (though I admit I wasn't pleased after OK State). At the end of the day, I admit I'm the kind-of guy who tends.....though not always, as was the case in Gale Catlett's last few seasons.....to give the HC the benefit of the doubt when things initially begin to go sour.
But I'm currently sort-of tracking bornan's previous thoughts in that when you come out......injuries or otherwise.....and appear to play perhaps 15 minutes of truly competitive ball for the second consecutive week, that's a problem. Of course, all blind men could see the last month was a nightmare setup (as the conference obviously put the screws to us with the middle part of this schedule).
Anyway, I myself have generally figured the Staff's contractual commitments provided Holgs fairly solid cover at least through this season......that is, unless the team gives up and self-detonates. But assuming that does not happen, probably the biggest factor (regardless how we finish record-wise) in the future of his regime.....as is that case with most Programs......is how the big boosters are reacting; though it obviously won't help if Shane Lyons starts getting 50 E-mails a day from season ticket holders saying they're canceling.
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But at the end of the day, the money-bags guys are the straws who (not always quietly) stir the driink. If the "wrong" faction morphs into 2015 versions of Ken Kendrick (in the days at the end of PR's tenure), then that alone will force Lyons' (who probably still doesn't have that much juice with them as yet) hand. Of course, if those guys want Holgs moved that badly, they're going to be expected to put their money where their respective mouths are to pay off the contracts.
And that's all I myself have to offer on this subject......
But I'm currently sort-of tracking bornan's previous thoughts in that when you come out......injuries or otherwise.....and appear to play perhaps 15 minutes of truly competitive ball for the second consecutive week, that's a problem. Of course, all blind men could see the last month was a nightmare setup (as the conference obviously put the screws to us with the middle part of this schedule).
Anyway, I myself have generally figured the Staff's contractual commitments provided Holgs fairly solid cover at least through this season......that is, unless the team gives up and self-detonates. But assuming that does not happen, probably the biggest factor (regardless how we finish record-wise) in the future of his regime.....as is that case with most Programs......is how the big boosters are reacting; though it obviously won't help if Shane Lyons starts getting 50 E-mails a day from season ticket holders saying they're canceling.
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But at the end of the day, the money-bags guys are the straws who (not always quietly) stir the driink. If the "wrong" faction morphs into 2015 versions of Ken Kendrick (in the days at the end of PR's tenure), then that alone will force Lyons' (who probably still doesn't have that much juice with them as yet) hand. Of course, if those guys want Holgs moved that badly, they're going to be expected to put their money where their respective mouths are to pay off the contracts.
And that's all I myself have to offer on this subject......
I don't remember it exactly like that. He played awful in the TT game that year, but other than that he was OK, it was just that our defense was so bad that we felt like we had to score a TD on every possession to stay in a game.
He's launching them because they are actually there as an option. It's not his primary read. I also think the BXII DCs are game planning it that way. It's low percentage to be a catch, might as well lock down everything else.
I probably should have said the team fell apart instead of Geno. We won the first five then lost the next five before we regrouped to win the next two against the two worst programs in the Big XII. We were then destroyed in the bowl game against the Cuses,
That's just it, everything else is not locked down. It's been pointed out time and again that he's either not seeing open receivers in the intermediate zone, or he's ignoring them to go for the long throw.
Injuries was the biggie. When Stedman went down those two games it turned to ****.
That's what I said and you said he was running the plays the coach told him to. I don't believe that Dana is intending on him launching the home run ball. That's not the design of that play.
If money associated with the "buy-out" weren't an issue I think he would be gone at end of season. Simply because he hasn't performed up to expectations and neither have his teams. Lyon's didn't hire DH and probably want's his own guy in there at the end of the day. However, if the "buy-out" is as much as I've read then I think DH gets another year.
FWIW, I have a friends (husband and wife) at work they both grew up in Morgantown with RR's family and know them pretty well. My friend doesn't think RR is coming back even if DH is fired.
I think Lyons will look to the SEC for the next coach. Just an opinion not based on much of anything.
FWIW, I have a friends (husband and wife) at work they both grew up in Morgantown with RR's family and know them pretty well. My friend doesn't think RR is coming back even if DH is fired.
I think Lyons will look to the SEC for the next coach. Just an opinion not based on much of anything.
Well, that was my first consideration. Glad I'm not the only one thinking it. It actually makes a lot of sense. LK needed to rehab his image and he's done so under NS. He'll be looking for a job soon to finish re-establishing himself as a HC and rehab the image.
I think Dana has improved as a HC, and we were dumb to think that he wouldn't have any growing pains when he was hired. The QB situation looks pretty bad, but that was because 2 consecutive QB recruits bailed - Ford was highly rated and recruited for his million dollar arm, but no one considered his 5 cent head. The Rawlins kid was a project, but he never made it past the summer. That might have been partially because the guy who recruited him left also. After those failures, he started bringing in at least 2 QBs each season - sometimes transfers or JUCOs. He can learn from mistakes. And as much as people like to point out how Howard was a nobody, he was a highly regarded JUCO when we got him - same class as a 4 star HS QB recruit. We brought in 2 pretty good HS recruits at the position this year. I don't think the cupboard is bare. I understand people having concerns, and I don't mean to imply that I'm not concerned. I do think we need to see how he handles a stretch of games that are more pedestrian that the last 4. If he can keep this team together and putting out an effort that can lead to some wins, I think he'll get another year. If this team implodes, I think he's gone, buy out or not.
There were 3 games that year we only scored 14 points with Geno, Tavon and Stedman. That's shockingly bad.
Layla Kiffen could score more than 14 with those three and more than 10 on TCU's second string...