So how far down the line has....

[Anon1754760634]

Public/Private moved down the importance of issues facing IHSA football these days?

I mean we have.....concussions....lower overall football participation numbers....lower overall enrollments for both public and privates...conference/scheduling issues. I mean it sure seems like settling public/private seems to be fading....or is that just me?

 

[pjjp]

Could be. Even HHS has taken to whining about a public, Phillips.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Glad that noise is over.

 

[refref01]

Trib had a big article about this yesterday focusing on non-football sports as well. It's not the football teams that are hurt it's the smaller schools in other sports that may have a good two year run that it is hurting.

 

[Cross Bones]

Doubt it. Gotta remember we are coming off of a down year for a handful of programs at the epicenter of the discussion. Montini, Naz, and JCA aren't going to have years like last year at the same time too often while PR and Peoria aren't going to be as loaded as they were too often.

If anything the argument has now spread to 3A as well as 5A and 6A. Once order has been restored this season the discussion will be back as strong as ever.

I would say 8A has gone like I expected it would with a private being the best program in the class but not necessarily being the best team most of the time (meaning I would take the field over the fav).

 

[BBCHS77]

Maybe in the bigger schools, not in the smaller classes, still hearing noise about a push towards separate classes..

 

[woody6]

Trib had a big article about this yesterday focusing on non-football sports as well. It's not the football teams that are hurt it's the smaller schools in other sports that may have a good two year run that it is hurting.

Exactly where and when was that article run, sir?

 

[SOUTHSIDECFD]

Exactly where and when was that article run, sir?

This is what I found
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...r-private-schools-tl-0803-20170803-story.html

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

HHSTF "hearing noise" (or making it up to make it look like he has support for his position) and the Trib article serve to point out that there are still fans and schools out there who think that the IHSA hasn't done enough (in HHSTF's case) or has gone too far (in the cases of certain private schools).

I think Edgy's point is that the IHSA, as a whole, has bigger fish to fry than public/private. He is likely right about that. However, that doesn't mean that the discriminatory policies of the IHSA against private schools are any less problematic. It's just that other issues have become more problematic.

 

[mc140]

WTF doe HHSTigerfan end every sentence with three or four periods?

 

[BretEpic]

WTF doe HHSTigerfan end every sentence with three or four periods?

Public school education?

Take that @EdgyTim !

 

[NNFAN]

Doubt it. Gotta remember we are coming off of a down year for a handful of programs at the epicenter of the discussion. Montini, Naz, and JCA aren't going to have years like last year at the same time too often while PR and Peoria aren't going to be as loaded as they were too often.

If anything the argument has now spread to 3A as well as 5A and 6A. Once order has been restored this season the discussion will be back as strong as ever.

I would say 8A has gone like I expected it would with a private being the best program in the class but not necessarily being the best team most of the time (meaning I would take the field over the fav).

Bones... add MC (4-5), PC(4-5), and Rita (5-5) to that list.

 

[Cross Bones]

Bones... add MC (4-5), PC(4-5), and Rita (5-5) to that list.

Yeah they're definitely going to be better, but the fact that 8A and 7A championships have been dominated by publics masks the fact that privates have been the most successful programs except for MS who seems to either win it or not be in the conversation.

I'm okay with 8A and 7A though. Its 6A and down that concerns me.

 

[BBCHS77]

HHSTF "hearing noise" (or making it up to make it look like he has support for his position) and the Trib article serve to point out that there are still fans and schools out there who think that the IHSA hasn't done enough (in HHSTF's case) or has gone too far (in the cases of certain private schools).

I think Edgy's point is that the IHSA, as a whole, has bigger fish to fry than public/private. He is likely right about that. However, that doesn't mean that the discriminatory policies of the IHSA against private schools are any less problematic. It's just that other issues have become more problematic.

Discriminatory policies AGAINST the private schools???? LOL

Only in your demented little world is that how it is.. the power base in the ihsa is the smaller downstate schools, in those schools there is a movement to split the open boundary schools into separate classes to elimate the discrimination against the public schools....My feeling is that in 3-5 years it will happen.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Discriminatory policies AGAINST the private schools???? LOL

Only in your demented little world is that how it is.. the power base in the ihsa is the smaller downstate schools, in those schools there is a movement to split the open boundary schools into separate classes to elimate the discrimination against the public schools....My feeling is that in 3-5 years it will happen.

It's either discriminatory against the private and OE schools or in favor of the boundaried public schools.

Either way, it's discriminatory.

 

[BBCHS77]

It's either discriminatory against the private and OE schools or in favor of the boundaried public schools.

Either way, it's discriminatory.

Yes, being able to draw from a huge population base is quite the disadvantage

 

[CPSFan]

Yes, being able to draw from a huge population base is quite the disadvantage

What exactly is your cutoff for "huge population base"? Should all Chicago schools be subjected to a multiplier? Should the CCL be double multiplied? Should Schaumburg, Naperville, or any surrounding suburbs be excluded, or just have a smaller multiplier? Are we including Springfield, Champaign, or Bloomington since they are in the 100k population range? I'm just curious.

 

[BBCHS77]

What exactly is your cutoff for "huge population base"? Should all Chicago schools be subjected to a multiplier? Should the CCL be double multiplied? Should Schaumburg, Naperville, or any surrounding suburbs be excluded, or just have a smaller multiplier? Are we including Springfield, Champaign, or Bloomington since they are in the 100k population range? I'm just curious.

Do Schaumburg and Naperville even have any open enrollment schools? Just a stupid example

And there are some that feel the Chicago recruiter schools should have a higher multiplier than a school like Bloomington CC...

 

[CPSFan]

You didn't say open enrollment, you said huge population base.

 

[BBCHS77]

You didn't say open enrollment, you said huge population base.

And the topic was advantages of the open enrollment districts.. sorry you couldn't keep up

 

[CPSFan]

Condescending remarks notwithstanding, I'm still curious to know what do you suggest?

 

[BBCHS77]

Condescending remarks notwithstanding, I'm still curious to know what do you suggest?

Suggest? Simple, schools without boundaries are placed in separate classes.. 6 closed district classes, 2-3 open classes..

 

[CPSFan]

Gotcha, so Chicago and privates should be separated into 2-3 classes for state and the rest of the state slides into the other 6 classes. Question answered.

 

[BBCHS77]

Gotcha, so Chicago and privates should be separated into 2-3 classes for state and the rest of the state slides into the other 6 classes. Question answered.

Only CPS schools that can attract kids from the entire city

 

[CPSFan]

Only CPS schools that can attract kids from the entire city

Due to no child left behind and the increasing number of charter schools here in Chicago, kids are not required to attend their neighborhood school. Many of them are failing and on the verge of closing due to low enrollment. Kids can apply and attend almost any CPS schools citywide making them all boundaried by the city limits. Basically all CPS schools can attract kids from the entire city.

 

[BBCHS77]

So why are some CPS schools multiplied and others are not?

Honestly I don't have an answer, but letting Phillips load up on City wide talent isn't fair to the rest of the small schools

 

[RetiredReferee]

Number of officials, across the board in all sports, trumps all the whining of private v. public.

 

[BBCHS77]

Number of officials, across the board in all sports, trumps all the whining of private v. public.

So true... I do men's slow pitch games and a few times this year we got emails that if someone didn't take games that the games would need to be cancelled.. I did so many games solo this summer because of lack of umpires

 

[Oddy]

So Edgy, the answer is "no".

 

[godfthr53]

So true... I do men's slow pitch games and a few times this year we got emails that if someone didn't take games that the games would need to be cancelled.. I did so many games solo this summer because of lack of umpires

Why would a mens slowpitch game need more than 1 up for league play.

 

[Doctor_D]

I think that Priv vs Pub will not die until they are separated.
True that there are many other factors and issues that the IH$A has on their plate, but the P v P debate isn't gonna go anywhere.
Enrollment (multiplied or otherwise) simply isn't an effective way to FAIRLY and COMPETITIVELY classify ALL the various schools, regions and scenarios.

 

[GMAN81]

So true... I do men's slow pitch games and a few times this year we got emails that if someone didn't take games that the games would need to be cancelled.. I did so many games solo this summer because of lack of umpires

Do umps still get a game and a half pay when they work alone? I used to ump games and I loved it when I was working by myself, especially slow pitch. Got a game and a half pay.